Was this a wild

[Shugo332]

Hi this is my first ever thread I have posted yahoo answers questions about this but most of the answers were religious I'm not religious and would like a opinion on a non religious point of view if possible. So I am not sure whether or not this would be considered a involuntary wild or a astral projection but decided wild part of these forums is best place to put it. This was a very strange experience I never had anything like it before neither have I ever heard of anyone else having this before and I have cut off my attempts to lucid dream through sleep paralysis as of yesterday as that's when it happened until I get a good understanding of what happened and if this is safe. So what happened was I went into sleep paralysis was being dragged around my bed as usual always happens when I go into sleep paralysis I was then put back into place, this is where it becomes quite creepy I feel both of my wrists being grabbed and swiftly and as light as a feather I feel myself being pulled/levitated off my bed. I am able to see who is responsible for this there were 2 girls they looked 10-12 quite young on either side of me 1 holding my left wrist other holding my right wrist. They were grey see through and looked like ghosts almost immediately after I saw them they said "come with us" the scenery then twisted and I found myself in a dark room with a single light looked like a attic many boxes around. Although I'm clearly not in my normal body I had a distinct feeling my actions with this body will effect my real body I was genuinely spooked and did not want to be there first thing that came to mind is maybe if I shook this body it would effect my real body shake off the sleep paralysis and I'd wake up. Also I was seeing this third person by the way so when I started shaking myself I was able to see myself do it second later or so it worked and I woke up and able to move again. My immediate thoughts about this were instinctual the whole fearing the unknown thing and I was thinking I never wanted to go into sleep paralysis again because that was not a good experience. My secondary thoughts after was actually maybe I should embrace this perhaps this is just a sign I am making progress in my lucid dreaming and astral projection. Although if it's possible what I encountered could be dangerous I don't believe I'm mentally strong enough to deal with it. Again all the explanations I got for this were religious sayin the girls were demons or some kind of trap using innocent girls to draw me into something much more insidious. That was on yahoo answers I thought maybe one of you would know exactly what this is I would like a expert opinion on this. I need to know if this is bad or not please help

[gab]

Welcome to Dreamviews, shugo! What you have experienced is quite common for a lucid dreamer/OBEer. If I was to guess, those were hypnagogic hallucinations, or HH, that we get when falling asleep or WILDing. Not SP. http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...mystified.html Our HH are influenced by our thoughts, fears and expectations. So if someone goes int the experience expecting something bad to happen, then it just might. Best thing to do is to have happy thoughts of some nice vistas or some nice activity that you expect to do in your lucid. All of this is safe. No need to fear. And once you realize that, it will get easier for you, because you will be able to have happy thoughts, instead of expecting something scary. If you read through this forum, you will find many stories similar to yours. Yes, they can be scary. Especially if you have no idea it can happen. But when you do know, yu can be prepared and ignore them. You can also try to project love towards the scary thing. This had worked for me in a lucid and non-lucid dream alike. Just think to yourself: "you are good and I love you". Then just watch it transform into something nice and non-threatening. I have heard about people being grabbed by hands or ankles and pulled out of their bodies. Have you expressed a wish for this to happen? Or to have a OBE/AP? Because it could be your guardian or dream guide that's helping you to get out. Or you have simply experienced what so many people did. The moment when our sleeping body separates from physical body and goes on to it's nightly journey to the dream land. It happened to me once. Right after I read a few books about OBEs, and I wanted to have one. I was asking my guide to help me get out of my body. So one night I woke and I saw myself from 2 different perspectives. One was from my bed - I was looking up at my body that was moving few feet above my bed, feet first, towards the window. Second perspective was from the body that was moving. I felt both bodies at the same time, and my vision was alternating from one to another one. And I clearly felt two hands dragging me by my ankles. All I could think of was "ah, so that's whats going on, ok". And fell back asleep. I have also experienced being twisted into a pretzel, falling through bed, flying at warp speed, spinning, turning on axes, levitating... When any of this happens, you are most likely in the dream already. All you have to do is to get up from your bed. Please ask more questions if you like. And tell us how you practice for a LD/OBE. happy travels http://www.dreamviews.com/beyond-dre...endations.html

[Shugo332]

Thank you for explaining that to me I think you might be right those girls might of been my dream guide although I don't understand why there was 2 maybe she split or something. But what you said made me realize she could very well be my dream because matter or fact in the dream world a couple of years ago I met my dream guide for the first time. I was in a alleyway and this young girl 10-12 "same age as the girls in the sleep paralysis episode I explained" appeared in front of me she had long black hair the bangs almost covered her eyes but not quite she stared at me with a distant look her she looked mystified and she seemed like she was very knowledgable for her age and she have a vibe I never felt from a dream character before. She looked at me and said you this isn't real right "this was back when I was first getting into lucid dreaming" I said to her uhh what do you mean then she said everything around us nothing is real I just stared at her my friends called me I walked to them when I looked back and she was staring at me few seconds later I look again and she disappeared. I knew when I woke up she was a dream guide she fit all the characteristics of one like she had a vibe about her different then other dream characters she knew she was in my dream she attempted to wake me up in the dream and the other dream characters didn't seem to notice her. Now that I can lucid dream one of my previous lucid dreams I decided to call her forth for the first time which I never did and only saw her that once almost a year ago. I was sitting on my bed and she appeared in front of me she still had the long black hair and the mystified expression on her face she said to me I see you have realized your dreaming I said yes what can you offer me she said well I help protect you as you explore this realm and I said well that sounds cool and I got up. I then asked her how I should go about teleporting she said don't worry I'll do it she held my hand and then the scenery changed and I appeared at a beach which was where I wanted to go throughout the rest of the conscious dream I walked with her while we still held hands I felt safe with her and at one point a giant wave almost washed me over but suddenly it hit a force field and just washed over us I looked at the girl I said that was you wasn't it and she said yes it was. Anyways that was just a recount of one of my lucid dreams the 2 girls in the sleep paralysis episode they both resembled my dream guide both young and very thin long hair and everything like that only difference was unlike my dream guide they had no color to them. Really the experience was scary more because I was completely not expecting it and had no idea it could happen the hallucination or whatever itself was not scary the girls were clearly benefactors and being the dark attic it was a little creepy but not bad it was more because compared to anyother sleep paralysis hallucination that hallucination was very extreme. I have had a wild before only one but it happened when I was in sleep paralysis and the sleep paralysis was hovering me over my bed then starting swinging me back and forth and then started swinging me back and forth the other way at the end it made one last thrust and I went tumbling over my bed. Before I opened my eyes I expected that the feeling of going over the bed was a hallucination but when I opened my eyes I was indeed on the floor next to the bed. Now while this does fit a wild I technically didn't know I was dreaming my thoughts were basically oh my god was I really attacked by a demon "which I don't believe in". At the point I started crying a little out of fear and confusion I then got up feeling a little swayish then got back into my bed and closed my eyes couple second later I reopened them back into reality. Now yes I didn't know I was dreaming but I still had all the characteristics of it I was in complete control actually how vivid it was and the absolute control I had was exactly why I believed I fell of my bed in reality I consciously cried in the dream I got up on my feet because I chose to I got on my bed because I chose to and I closed my eyes also because I conciously chose to. Thinking back on it yeh there was some things off I shoulda noticed but I don't think it was because my brains logic was turned off I think I didn't notice because I was so freaked out and confused at the time. But after searching my experience on the internet I learned I in fact had a type of a wild. The idea that when I get thrown off my bed I'm dreaming must be ingrained in me now because now I'll often have dild lucid dreams by falling asleep going into sleep paralysis in my dream gettin thrown off my bed in my dream and then realizing I'm dreaming. Matter of fact ever since that wild it has never once failed to make me realize I'm dreaming when I fall off my bed. Now I do have dild dreams other ways to like one time I went lucid after studying this shiny penny I picked off the floor which for some reason I found something about it was astonishing actually my last lucid dream which was 2 days ago I went lucid because I looked at the time on my phone 3 times each time it said something different I became confused on how that was possible and that's when I realized I was dreaming also another interesting one I went lucid when I started levitating across a room seeing my feet as I run I also have known to cause me to realize I'm dreaming actually matter of fact the first lucid dream I ever had happened when I looked down at my feet when I was running. So while I will realize I'm dreaming from random strange dream occurrences the majority of my dild lucid dreams has come from me falling off my bed in a dream.

[Shugo332]

Sorry for the typos I was typing this on my phone lol

[gab]

I'm glad you had a nice experience with your dream guide. If you ever worry about some entities not being friendly, you can protect yourself before you WILD/OBE. You can imagine yourself in a globe that's filled with white/golden light. White light is a symbol of devine love and protection. I recite: "Only entities with my or above mine level of development may be present and participating". Wheater this works or not, I'm not going to debate. But it calms my mind and gives me confidence, and helps me fill my mind with pleasant thoughts. That by itself should help, since having nice, peacefull thought pretty much guarantees having same nice and peacefull experience. Whenever in doubt, or even if you are sure that you are awake, RC! You can do a motionless one. Try to change shape, color or size of any object that's around you. If it works, you will realize you are dreaming.

[Shugo332]

Wow I like that globe of light idea I find it a very interesting idea it makes sense the hallucinations are your imagination so why can't you effect them with something you imagine. You seem to be a advanced lucid dreamer I am fairly a beginner iv been lucid dreaming for about a few months or so now but I am having difficulty. I can see the improvement I made and I came a long ways when I learned about lucid dreaming 2 years ago and started trying to learn I thought I'd never be able to do it no matter how weird the dream got the logic switch never turned on for me in the dream. But after a little more then a year I was in a nightmare dream where I was being chased by a dirty cop the cop caught me and started to handcuff me when the dream was starting to fade but I saw my feet and realized I was dreaming and yelled at the top of my lungs I'm dreaming then I woke up. I don't really consider that my first lucid dream because it happened as the dream was already ending even though I have heard sometimes people go lucid at that point so I guess it is. But the day after I saw my feet as I was running toward a elevator in a building again I looked at my feet this time I realized I was dreaming well within the dream. My eyes widened and I gasped the dream brightened and the way it felt intensified I was by the elevator at this point I said out loud I'm dreaming! The phrase made my body tingle I was having difficulty making my head look anywhere but to the floor though I sputtered the words I'm dreaming again I felt the tingling sensation again but then I woke up. Now here's my problem I can realize I'm dreaming fairly regularly now but what I have a lot of difficulty with is dream stabilization and dream control the dream I told you about with my dream guide the only reason I did all that was because my dream guide was leading me and doing the controlling for me. I was learning about lucid dreaming levels I'm sure your familiar with lucidity levels the majority of my lucid dreams are level 1 there very dark very unvivid and I wake up within a minute and usually I can't even move or very limited movement. The lucid dreams that I usually do stuff in are level 2 not as vivid as they could be but about as vivid as a regular dream and what it means to be dreaming just alludes me I seem to treat it as reality and not do anything impossible even though I know I'm dreaming. I know the key is stabilizing the dream but sometimes as soon as I go lucid I just start moving and forget to stabilize I'm sure you can understand how easy it is to forget to do stuff in your dreams when your a beginner. Sometimes I do learn to try to stabilize it but I usually give up by the time I get it a little more vivid at least like about as vivid as a regular dream I tried searching on the internet how to stabilize dreams but didn't find much could you give me some tips on how to stabilize dreams. I'm assuming that when I get stabilization down dream control will become easier to work on but do you have any tips for how to gain better dream control. Also another thing that kind of bothers me the majority of the times I go lucid are level 1 there even less vivid then normal dreams not sure why but they are and I find moving very difficult. Now this is what confuses and bothers me the first time I went lucid was also a level 1 I woke up within a minute or so after I realized I was dreaming however the difference is that first lucid dream I had the fact I was dreaming slammed into me like a wall everything became brighter and more vivid and the feelings were stronger but the difference now is when I realize I'm dreaming it's just like oh... I'm dreaming it don't get more vivid in fact it does opposite it gets less vivid and much darker and I get no kind of feeling. Like what's going on here am I not truly lucid dreaming or something or does the impact of the realization your dreaming weaken as you do it more but that doesn't really explain why it gets less vivid when I realize it rubbing my hands together does usually get the vividness back up to normal dream vividness but I kinda hit a wall then can't seem to get any vivider then that

[gab]

You should count the "cop" dream as a lucid. Just because it was short, it was still lucid. And yes, it's easier to get lucid when we are waking up, since our mind is also getting ready to wake up and becoming more aware. Unfrotunatelly that also means, that those LD will be short. Because there is nothing we can do to make the REM longer. What we can do though, is to train ourselves to notice when dream is ending. That's when you can tell yourself, while still lucid in a dream, to stay still, not wake up, and enter another dream right away. That is called a DEILD - dream exit induced LD. To control your HH or dreams, all you have to do is KNOW. Know, that they are all made up by your mind and you are in control. It's always better to change something from the perspective, as if it already was so. So it's better to say "whoa, look how detailed everything is" then "I wish I saw more details". One is knowing, the other one is wishing. Knowing is always stronger, because then our mind has no choice but to make it happen, since we already "know" it's happening. So, you have realized second time by looking at your feet. I suspect this is because that's how you realized in your first lucid. You can use it to RC to get other LDs that way. Classic RC and mantra combo is "looking at hour hands". You say to yourself: "Next time I'm dreaming, I look at my hands (bring your hand up so you see them) and realize I'm dreaming". This is very powerful. Your hands are always there in the dream with you (so are your feet). Stabilizing can be just you taking it easy after you become lucid. Take it slow. Touch your body, your clothes, the ground, nearby wall, feel the texture, temperature... Smell the air, taste something. This will integrate you with the dream. While you doing this, it's good to keep repeating a mantra "I'm dreaming" or anything similar, and to RC frequently, so you don't forget you are in a dream. But the best thing would be for you to realize, that you can have a nice and long LD, since you have already done it with your dream guide. I guess it takes some practice and it comes easier to some than others. I still have a problem with super short LDs. Also, getting better daytime awareness helps us get better awareness in a dream. That will make them more vivid, detailed and longer. If you are forgetting to do anything in a dream, try a mantra. I used "slow down, stabilize" or "slow down, look around". You can also practice getting lucid during daytime. It may sound strange, but it works. Pretend you just got lucid. Stand in your room, pat yourself down, touch the ground, walls, smell the air. Yell out loud. "stabilize", "vividness now"... Be carefull so you don't start believing, that if something happened in prior LD, that's how it 's going to be now forever. Because it will be what you believe. Reprogram your mind by thinking, planning our your next LD. Daydream about it, make a drawing, make a plan of everything how you will do it. So when you become lucid, you don't have to think, you just follow your plan. here are some of our tutorials that may also help shed some light on the process Induction Methods and Techniques short WILD WILD excellent long and detailed explanation

[Shugo332]

Well actually that makes sense because when I had my first wild I kept trying to use the sleep paralysis to make me fall off my bed so I'll go in a dream again with little success I fell off the bed a couple times after but when I open my eyes I'm still on my bed in reality. But then after I obsessing over it enough I began having dreams of myself on my bed and going into sleep paralysis and then falling off my bed in the dream and realizing I'm dreaming which makes me think I'm having a wild but I'm really having a dild because I was dreaming before that happened. I'll have to write down a list of things to do in lucid dreams and keep going over it so I'll hopefully do it in the dream. I went into sleep paralysis about a hour ago I started becoming unable to move and I was trying to fight it but I couldn't stop it and the hallucinations started to kick in but then I remembered what you said and I imagined a globe of golden light around me. My attempts to influence sleep paralysis worked I sensed the globe around me because it gave me a warm feeling of protection my body floated up over my bed and I began floating in the middle of my sphere and I could hear a soft shimmering buzz which was the light in the globe moving around me I could sense the nightmarish dream entities looking at me outside from my globe they couldn't get in a couple tried to touch it and got zapped away because I heard zapping noise now I didn't see this with my real eyes because I generally keep my eyes closed during sleep paralysis to avoid visual hallucinations. But I'm sure you and anyone else can relate to this that you don't necessarily need your real eyes in sleep paralysis because the globe of light around me was created from what I imagined in my mind so I didn't need to see it because I already knew what it looked like because I created and I didn't need to see the entities outside my barrier either I could sense them there. Did I already ask how you turn sleep paralysis into a lucid dream I'm pretty sure I didn't do you have any tips to do so being protected by that globe woulda been a good time for me to enter a lucid dream but I didn't know how to do it.

[gab]

That is excellent, I really like your experience. I would just say again, that I'm not sure you had SP. So I'm not gonna tell you how to turn it into a LD. Because SP is not a stage or part of lucid dreaming. But the sensations you felt are normal part of falling asleep, no matter if you had SP or not. When you floated up, you could just easily direct your movement by your thought. So you can think "to the door", or "stand up" and it will happen. Since you are already in a dream, you treat it as any lucid dream. Leave your room through door or float out the window. I personally find to have better control if I'm walking and not flying. So I prefer to walk out the door. That's how I keep better track of the dream. But it's a personal preference. Here is some more about http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...ntry-wild.html Have fun

[Shugo332]

Thank you, I came across a couple questions I got curious about. The first one is about dream chaining I had 2 separate lucid dreams in succession this morning I was wondering if this experience truly qualifies as dream chaining. I figured the way to tell is through this question in chaining lucid dreams do you need to successfully not break consciousness even in between where no dream has yet occurred. Because this morning I walked out of my room into the bathroom looked into the mirror and then I realized I was dreamed, I got very stunned and incapable of moving and thinking then everything went black and I lost consciousness. Soon after the darkness shifted into my room the very first thing I immediately did was raise my arms immediately when I raised my arms and saw my hands I knew I was still dreaming, I studied my hands taking note of how they looked I flexed my fingers and counted them to see what would happen to them for me and they did look awfully wavy when i flexed them but they didn't disappear like I was told sometimes happens. I then felt the dream start to fade I thought no not yet and I started rubbing my hands together to try to keep the dream up but it didn't work and I woke up. Was this dream chaining or do I need to move between dreams without breaking consciousness for it to be really considered dream chaining. My second question is can you be lucid dreaming without physically or mentally saying "I'm dreaming" or without that phrase is it just a dream with dream control. I have had 4 wilds all of which I never actually said "i'm dreaming" reason being because I mistaked all of them for astral projection, sleep paralysis, and real life. I have explained 2 of them to you the ghost girl one which was the wild I mistaked for astral projection which I started this thread on, and the golden bubble shield one I mistaked for sleep paralysis which I actually did when you mentioned something like that to me. The first wild I mistaked for real life because of the control and vividness I experienced I thought I really fell off my bed. The 4th wild I had was when I felt myself floating around my room from the sleep paralysis I then could see my room and I saw this small dog sitting on the window, which I have no dog in that room and thing is I was seeing all this despite the fact my physical eyes were closed, and you also made me realize is just another way to have a wild. So my question is in all 4 of those wilds I didn't know I was dreaming yet I moved around in them consciously and even controlled a couple things, would this be considered a lucid dream regardless or just a dream with dream control. My third and last question is about fear, sometimes I feel I subconsciously sabotage my attempts to lucid dream I still have them but sometimes when I'm waiting to enter sleep paralysis I start thinking of something scary and then I'm like ok I can't do this right now and I just get up and start doing stuff again. I do plan on at some point facing my fears in lucid dreams like summon a entity symbolizing it and fight it I want to because I feel it will be a self growth experience and a alternative way to get over something grounded into me. However as a beginner I'd prefer not to encounter thee things yet I'd like to have nice happy and fun experiences for a while I'd rather wait to use lucid dreaming for self growth once I become a more experienced lucid dreamer. One thing that creeps me out and I'm sure will happen in lucid dreams is dream characters just standing there and staring at me maybe like standing in a corner of my room just staring at me motionless stuff like that. I don't know how abnormal this fear is but I thought about it and I think this why it terrifies me so much. It would be scary to be attacked by something to however I feel almost more scared of someone just standing there maybe facing away from me in a creepy fashion staring at me or anything like that, because when I'm attacked by something it's scary but I know whats happening I know I'm being attacked, but in this scenario I don't know why there standing there I don't know why there staring at me I guess it's about the fear of the unknown not knowing what there planning think and stuff like that I guess that's why I find that so scary. Plus watching both insidious 1 and 2 did not help this fear in fact I don't know if I even had it before I saw that movie but like almost every fear moment in insidious involves the spirit just standing there staring at them maybe giving a creepy smile. That's the kind of thing I find very creepy. I know since I'm afraid of it it's gonna happen rather it's when I go through a door or enter a knew room theres gonna be a dream character just standing around staring at me, but perhaps at least to I become more advanced at lucid dreaming I could move around with a protective shield on me similar to the bubble shield I described. And always move around with the shield on me at all times at least to I become more advanced and less fearful of what could happen in lucid dreams. I've also heard of people being mentally attacked by dream characters with a abnormal aura, I found this unsettling do you know anything about this? Some people claim that when that a dream world is a collective consciousness not just your own and they had experience with dream characters stopping them from doing something. I disagree however I do believe a dream is your personal realm and it's more then likely they only had these experiences because they expected them to happen. However I played a game about lucid dreaming called "deep sleep" in the game these shadow entities if they catch you will mentally attack you and in the game kill you. I became curious about this idea and I contacted the creator of this game asking him if he came up with this idea from personal experience. He replied to me saying shadow nightmarish entities who only attack lucid dreamers was created based on urban myth they are not created from personal experience and in fact he's only had 2 lucid dreams in his entire life. I then found a forum of people claiming lucid dreaming is not safe, one person claimed he encountered a shadowy humanoid who he was unable to control or stop and it ended up coming to him attacked him mentally but then he woke up. Another person claimed he was at a bar in a lucid dream when time stopped because everyone but him couldn't move then a shadow started slowly walking towards him. He said he realized it was that thing that stopped time and the thing must of knew the time stop wouldn't effect the dreamer and in fact stopped time not to stop him but to figure out who was the dreamer because obviously the one who can still move is the dreamer. He said the thing walked past him thought it didn't notice him but then teleported towards and got in his face and gave him a creepy smile then he said he woke up. Do you know anything of these kind of experiences I thought about it and is it possible that these things could be dream characters are subconscious mind takes over and since it's are subconscious mind in a body form perhaps it to could control the dream as well. Could that be a possibility? so to summarize my points, do you need to keep consciousness even inbetween dreams to dream chaining, can you lucid dream without actually saying "I'm dreaming", and what's the best way for a beginner lucid dreamer to counter subconscious fear.

[Impossibleman]

Yo, just chill lol. You are a lucid dreamer and we are all ALWAYS still learning. Everyone have their own type of dreams. Don't worry about dream chaining because you are not experienced to do so(even if you are it doesn't matter right now). Just enjoy your lucidity. That's the place to master yourself. Imagine practice rooms on fighting video games. You can practice all you want. You really need to learn this all by not asking these questions. Do like me and imagine a field of grass. Touch the grass. You can feel it. If you fear doing THAT, you have low self-esteem. You may need a therapist.

[gab]

Yo, just chill lol. You are a lucid dreamer and we are all ALWAYS still learning. Everyone have their own type of dreams. Don't worry about dream chaining because you are not experienced to do so(even if you are it doesn't matter right now). Just enjoy your lucidity. That's the place to master yourself. Imagine practice rooms on fighting video games. You can practice all you want. You really need to learn this all by not asking these questions. Do like me and imagine a field of grass. Touch the grass. You can feel it. If you fear doing THAT, you have low self-esteem. You may need a therapist. Hrm, I'm gonna disagree. 1. Best way to learn is by trying. When conditions are right, you can chain your dreams. It doesn't matter, if it's from your first LD or 50th. Best thing to do is to read available material and be ready for the opportunity. I had my first DEILD on the same night I have read a DEILD tutorial. It was from my only second lucid dream ever. (I chain my DEILDs from LDs only). 2. Why shouldn't he or anybody else ask questions? This is a forum. Best motivational tool is to participate by asking and answering questions. And reading threads. By asking, he is doing his homework. 3. Please don't be telling people they have low self esteem if they don't wanna do what you do. so to summarize my points, do you need to keep consciousness even inbetween dreams to dream chaining, can you lucid dream without actually saying "I'm dreaming", and what's the best way for a beginner lucid dreamer to counter subconscious fear. If you keep consiousness between 2 dreams, that would be either DEILD or WILD. It really depends on how long time was between those two dreams, and how much did you wake up. DEILD - transition lasts merely seconds, maybe a minute, not much longer. And most of the time, when you exit one dream, you stay more asleep than awake. You pretty much continue in same REM, without any NREM. WILD - transition is longer, and most of the time you woke up lot more than for a DEILD, or even completely. Here, the REM is most likely not the same one you just exited from, and there will be some falling asleep involved, even if it can be really short, just a few minutes. "I'm dreaming" is a mantra. Serves 2 purposes. 1. To keep other thought out of your mind. 2. To keep reminding you what you doing. So when you are close to falling asleep, or even after you enter LD and you hear yourself saying that, you know what's happening and you don't just fall asleep unconsiously. 3. Counter fear a) you can either believe our posts, that there is nothing to be scared off b) you have a few pleasant experiences and you won't need much convincing c) you soldier through your fear, realize that even if scared and maybe scary things are happening, you end up in an awesome LD and later you wake up safely in your bed

[Shugo332]

I guess I just over think things to much, I do understand any fear I experience would be a result of my expectations that it would happen and I only have myself to blame for it. I will say I of have ocd so I guess that's part of the reason I overthink things so much. I did decide I'll try to avoid anything that seems common fear wise in dreams, such as trying to interact with out of place dream characters or informing a dream character this is a dream at least to I become more advanced at lucid dreaming. Yesterday I encountered a ongoing problem with my sleep paralysis that I must have had a problem with 60 other times. 90% of the time when I go into sleep paralysis the hallucinations seem quite dull I'm not sure how else to describe it. During these times the most I'll experience is being dragged across my bed repeatedly, like I'd be dragged from my normal position to the end of my bed then I'd seem to reappear where I was in the first place then I'd be dragged to the same location again and it would repeat this 4-6 times. The dragging feeling will often be accompanied with a slithering noise that seems to be the auditory hallucination trying to make the dragging more realistic. After about 4-6 times the sleep paralysis will finish I open my eyes I can move I do a couple reality checks reaching coming up as negative telling me I'm not dreaming so my wild attempt failed. Now each time I had a wild the sleep paralysis hallucinations were far more intense then the ones that result in simply me waking back up. I'm not to sure what the problem and if it's fixable I can't seem to find anything online about it. My hypothesis is perhaps I just not asleep enough for a wild so the sleep paralysis is very weak and ends in me just waking back up in reality. Is this a normal problem is it fixable by just being more tired when you attempt a wild or something? It's frustrating when you spend 30 minutes of your personal time hoping for a wild and all you get are a few cheesy hallucinations and quickly wake back up, I was just about to attempt a wild few minutes ago but my phone broke my relaxation and I decided it probably just run into that problem again anyways.