Thread: WILD - The Stable Way to Learn It

DV NAZI STAFF STRIKES AGAIN!

lol, jk

But seriously: this thread is fantastic because it's singularly focused on experimentation at a personal level. It's inspiring, and will get newbies motivated to start their own rounds of testing. And that's hands-down the best way to learn this stuff.

Low Willpower

I went to sleep around 23:10 and I actually choosed to fall asleep in my half-sitting posture and as usual I woke up in the middle of the night, but I just fell back to sleep.
Then the 90 min alarm woke me up, but I didn't stay up for long, I basically snoozed, although I had to get up to turn it off. But I had too low willpower or perhaps alertness to arrange my pillows and attempt to WILD. I just fell asleep on my side, I didn't even used a mantra or anything.

I woke up 04:41, 08:29 and recorded my dreams. Vivid dreams that I rememebered because I was very aware in them.

Tonight I am going to put a big note on my alarm that says "STAY UP FOR 5 MINUTES YOU LAZY SON OF A $@#!!" to make me remember...

Well.. Two nights of partying ahead. (Dam* friends preventing me from dreaming..)

But I will still use my posture at bedtime and attempt to WILD, if I fall asleep unconsciously (which I will), I'll use the awakening.
And the 90 min alarm will be my most hated object the coming morning, however as I said do the hard to make the "easy" easier.
Aim for the moon and reach the stars. *

What I mean by that is that I will probably go to sleep around 03:00 or 04:00 tonight and my willpower will be even lower than my previos night when I get up. So this is the perfect test to see if a note will be enough for my grumpy self to stay up 5 minutes, we'll see.

Last night I actually went up and took a short WBTB by going to the bathroom, but I had too low willpower to arrange my pillow on my WILD attempt.
The most important step for my awareness, so tonight I will add another note for my low willpowered self: "Fix Your Pillows You Arrogant *$#!"

And we'll see what happens.

I freaking hate when I wake up and realize that I was too lazy to do my techniques. It makes me want to beat previous me with a big stick.

Today I did a kind of strange discovery that kind of makes me question my whole approach to WILDing.

Now I have stretched my attempt for a time of 90 min, but something that has happened now for several nights is me having a really vivid, life like dream and waking up from it. And I always wake up at the same time: Around 04:21.

I read an article on sleep and it said: "Regardless of when you fall asleep, people tend to experience more NREM sleep in the earlier hours of the night (e.g., 11p – 3a) and more REM sleep in the later hours of the night (e.g., 3a – 7 a)."

Regardless of when you fall asleep...
Regardless of when you fall asleep..
Regardless of when you fall asleep.
Regardless of when you fall asleep!!!!

The article can be found here: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...ycle-revealed*

I have experienced long lucid dreams and woke up around 02:00 but why make it harder?

I am always WILDing at my bedtime, but I can take advantage of this fact and try to wake back to bed at a different time.

The absolute best feeling I know when it comes to lucid dreaming, is the awareness and feeling in your mind that you feel when you wake up in REM, you just know that all you have to do is to close your eyes and imagine something and it will appear with no effort, and 3 seconds later you stand in your vizualisation.

I think I am going to test the articles idea of expecting REM in the later night.

If this is correct, it's a big win, because then I still don't have worry about when i am going to sleep, I know where my window is.

My Exploration 3 was to answer the question of: (Observing) What happens during deep sleep?

The problem however was that I was never in deep sleep to begin with! That is why I now have to change my approach.

Going to have a new approach, because I feel like I am too result oriented.

I have explored the technical stuff, like what to actually do to get a lucid dream. And now I am going to observe the mindset.
I am doing a 30 day challenge of no fap and meditation, and I basically think if I have done that today I am happy, no need to think about it anymore.
The benefit of this is really high for me because I have an overanalyzing brain.

So what I am going to do now is to lower my critera of success.

My only goal is to practise lucid dreaming consistently for 30 nights in a row. If no lucid dream is attained during these 30 days I will go back to the practical stuff again.
But right now I need to stop thinking about the process and just let it happen.

I will still write down my experiences of course, but not analyze as much. Also I will only write positive things about my practise, nothing negative, because that is another 30 day challenge that I am doing: Reframe negative thoughts into positive.

Cya!

Oh god...

Had two lucid dreams this night! It seems like the idea of not trying is the best, but how do you do that?
I both love and hate this principle. Because how do you not try on purpose? It contradicts itself!

But I guess it goes back to Yoda's old quote "Do! There is no try."

And that is what the 30 Day Challenge forces you to do.

A little from my lucid dreams:

I went to bed 22:31 and I was lying on my back and I just started to meditate, not with the focus of being aware of my breathing or stop thinking, but rather on observing the thoughts that came and not judge them, I did this however by focusing on the breath. At some point I did fall asleep.

I was then waking in my house and as I walked around I got a feeling that something was not quite right, and then I realized that it was not my real house, but my awareness somehow tricked me back to non-awareness and I screamed "F*ck you (myself) this is my dream!" I started to run around excited by the fact that it was a dream. I then jumped up into the air and flew, I thought about sex and had some vivid sex vizualisation, and then the world faded away and I was back in my bed. I check the time and the time was 00:49.

Then as I got back to sleep and into a dream, I was in another location and I was trying to WILD, since I in the dream expected to end up in a dream, even though I already was, I now got lucid. This lucidity didn't lasted for long though but I had some weird but vivid normal dream after that.

I will start checking off my boxes today.

Cya!

Ok to round of this thread. Right now I got lots of of things on my mind so I have to make lucid dreaming simple and effortless.

My focus now is not to get a lucid dream, that is a bonus. My focus is to just follow the actions constently and refine them as I go.

Here is what I do:

Meditate daily
Meditate myself to sleep
WBTB 6 hours and 20 minutes after going to sleep
WILD
Recall Dreams

And the most important thing is the mindset, don't try to get any result, just do the actions. (That is why I made it a 30 Day Challenge.)

It became a long detour to arrive where we started. However as you can see I learned alot along the way, and now the knowledge is my experience not just a recited theory.

You can follow my progress in my DJ from now.

Sweet dreams to the rest of you!

Mastermind. Have you checked out my secrets thread?

http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...s-secrets.html

In it I say something to the effect of "you cannot make yourself lucid dream, but you can greatly improve the odds." If you look at it this way, then it doesn't matter that you didn't get lucid last night since you didn't work hard enough, the odds might have just missed, and all of your work (or meditation, awareness, etc) will build up, so there is nothing to worry about. hope this tldr version makes sense.

Good luck getting lucid. May the odds be ever in your favor.

Thank you Sensei. May the force be with you, always.

Wow dude your'e posts make it sound all easy and stuff, the thing is I have a huge ego and pretty horrible self asteem so I really have to work hard on this

Believe me... Nothing worth having comes easy, and in order to learn something you need to have hard lessons.

I have a huge pile of failures, but I stand on them to reach what's possible.

And if you are inspired by me, I am glad, but you should know that I am a BIG overanalyzer and thinker which creates lots of problems, I still fight with not identifying with my self-image, but whatever disorders I might have, there is always one thing I have control over, and that is the choice to take action.

So surround yourself with people that supports these standards, but since it is most likely that you are currently not surrounded with people with a mind wired in this way:

There is always Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTrx...oyqrOfoZoyoYCg

Oh and when you elevate you can help other people to grow as well.

Have fun!

Originally Posted by MasterMind

Believe me... Nothing worth having comes easy, and in order to learn something you need to have hard lessons.

I have a huge pile of failures, but I stand on them to reach what's possible.

And if you are inspired by me, I am glad, but you should know that I am a BIG overanalyzer and thinker which creates lots of problems, I still fight with not identifying with my self-image, but whatever disorders I might have, there is always one thing I have control over, and that is the choice to take action.

So surround yourself with people that supports these standards, but since it is most likely that you are currently not surrounded with people with a mind wired in this way:

There is always Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTrx...oyqrOfoZoyoYCg

Oh and when you elevate you can help other people to grow as well.

Have fun!

Yeah I know, I did take my sweet ass time in responding, sorry
The video is actually really good and it made me feel motivated so that's good

And I don't worry, we all have problems somtimes I can be an overanlyzer too but i'll try to do more stuff with my life instead since I only live once

So yeah, thanks for everything

I totally forgot about this thread! I guess we all need breaks every now and then.

But I am back and now I am more determined than ever because I have seen a clear progression.

I also got a little bonus for you. I now share my experiments through videos! Almost daily!



Enjoy!

Ps. After re-reading this thread I realized that most of my problems and issues was solved by regular 20 min of meditation.

I love that irony, the solution was to do nothing.