New lucid dreamer, need help

[Elaol]

So I want to learn WILD and WILD only I really like techniques like this. But this is not very detailed, for example I don't feel anything concentrating on my leg -.-' So if you know similar tutorials, please let me know I've looked some techniques, but I don't find them right for me, since I am having really hard time visualizing something with my eyes closed (I know this sounds stupid, but I can visualize, for example, my room eyes opened, but I am having difficulties visualizing it closed eyes), so I don't know what to type in search bar :/ Thanks! P.S. I intend to LD in the morning short time after I wake up and in the afternoon naps, I want to sleep normal way from 11 pm to 8 am

[MisakaMikoto]

Hi, I suggest you reading this thread: http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...ild-guide.html Or signing up for DVA WILD Class Thought you shouldn't follow fully those tutorials They are only here to guide you at the beginning of your WILD Journey After you find technique that somewhat made you achieve a Successful WILD then you should follow it and on the road modify it to your needs. Lucid Dreaming is quite personal thing And WILDing is like the master of it's personal stuff from all lucid dreaming techniques. I used to follow fully Mzzkc's guide and followed advice from it about anchors to keep them just auxiliary mental processes that work in background. And it didn't turn out well. I have quite very active mind and i'm used to sleeping with lots lots and lots of thoughts active at head, so keeping up anchors like that only made me fall asleep After long time i've decided to do wild my own way basing on fundamentals n' personal successes So i've decided to focus most of my mental focus instead of just keeping them auxilary mental processes And this resulted in having three lucid dreams in three days after the first attempt If you want to get swift, smooth and regular WILDs in most of cases you need to throw your two cents in. That's what i belive.

[ThreeCat]

Hi, I suggest you reading this thread: http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...ild-guide.html Or signing up for DVA WILD Class Thought you shouldn't follow fully those tutorials They are only here to guide you at the beginning of your WILD Journey After you find technique that somewhat made you achieve a Successful WILD then you should follow it and on the road modify it to your needs. Lucid Dreaming is quite personal thing And WILDing is like the master of it's personal stuff from all lucid dreaming techniques. I used to follow fully Mzzkc's guide and followed advice from it about anchors to keep them just auxiliary mental processes that work in background. And it didn't turn out well. I have quite very active mind and i'm used to sleeping with lots lots and lots of thoughts active at head, so keeping up anchors like that only made me fall asleep After long time i've decided to do wild my own way basing on fundamentals n' personal successes So i've decided to focus most of my mental focus instead of just keeping them auxilary mental processes And this resulted in having three lucid dreams in three days after the first attempt If you want to get swift, smooth and regular WILDs in most of cases you need to throw your two cents in. That's what i belive. This is good advice. Also, don't turn your back on DILDs! They are also worthwhile experiences, and will allow you to be lucid more often. WILD does not always work! P.S. I intend to LD in the morning short time after I wake up and in the afternoon naps, I want to sleep normal way from 11 pm to 8 am Lol, what???? That is a long time to sleep, my friend. You plan to take a nap after this as well? Sounds like you have lots of time

[IAmCoder]

If concentrating on your leg didn't work for you, try your fingers: http://www.dreamviews.com/induction-...ream-fild.html. Move your index and middle fingers very subtly as if you were playing the piano or clicking and right-clicking. This tends to keep the neural pathways active that are connected to the network that generates consciousness and is the easiest way to induce a lucid dream from waking...

[Elaol]

Lol, what???? That is a long time to sleep, my friend. You plan to take a nap after this as well? Sounds like you have lots of time I like to have good night sleep, otherwise I am tired whole day. That's why I want to learn WILD and not DEILD/MILD/DILD. I usually wake up at 9:30 without alarm. I might set alarm to 8

[MisakaMikoto]

You should also make notes or logs of your successful wild attempts along with those which proceeded to certain point (HI, Vibrations etc. yet no lucid dream) It will help you with finding your pathway to WILDing The more detailed notes the better After you get like three or five WILDs from your specific approach you should use those previous successful WILDs records to write stuff down as a few step technique. When you have created the tech of yours, use it for a few days or weeks If you enjoy the results it gives you can try substracting certain aspects of it or just simplify it So the technique will become easier and easier to use Yet be careful, removing wrong aspect might make technique fail In that case just bring it back. I belive that's the way how to get stable WILD Routine You shouldn't forget also about Self-Awareness, Maintaining Waking Self during attempts and having positive attitude aswell. After today's wild attempt i think i might've started to understand how wild works and why is self-awareness & maintaining waking self important aswell. When one suggested Self-Awareness or other smiliar stuff i was always like: Meh. I don't need that weird stuff And during today's WILD Attempt when i entered dream i spawned in dream bed. So not much changed i were actually in bed not knowing that dream started so i was still trying to WILD thinking that i'm not asleep yet. I started to eventually see weird stuff like: i browsed 4chan by having flat screen in right corner of the eye. Yet i didn't figure out that it was dream. Because i didn't maintain my waking self nor self-awareness and because my heightened awareness dropped to normal dream one before i figured out that it's a dream. If i would maintain this both stuff during WILD i would have know all the time even when i started to life a dream. That i'm WILDing and if something like this pops up then it definitly means that dream started or at the worst just forms Yet i didn't become lucid at all during attempt. I belive that during Basic WILDs we just try to maintain awareness by anchors and when dream starts the thing that makes us lucid is transition or sudden appearing in new place itself (Aka in the Dream Scenery). If we were to suddenly appear in some random place eg: Beach or Pool while we were moments ago in bed then it wouldn't be hard to figure out it's a dream. Since we have heightened slightly awareness thanks to maintaining consciousness with WILD, even if we had no self-awareness nor maintaining waking self during the dive. Before our awareness has time to drop into normal non-lucid one we become lucid and bam it's time for fun Those words of mine are just assumings, If one of WILD Experts or experienced ones could approve or disprove stuff that i wrote it would be quite helpful

[Elaol]

Thanks! I have read KingYoshi's All Day Awareness tutorial. But there is really a lot to learn, but I will try I will prepare dream journal, so I can start recording my dreams

[MisakaMikoto]

Yeah, All Day Awareness is probably one of best DILD Techniques if we talk about the results of doing it the right way. I can give you one hint: You shouldn't feel forced, overhelmed, bad or just like you don't want to do it or do it forcibly whenever practicing it. I belive that's what stopped my ADA Practice to show up in dreams. I had two or three lucid dreams after my first day of ADA Practice yet i didn't had any results during next five days Maybe first day was just luck and i needed only to practice it more before true results showed up Anyway, Goodluck

[HeWhoShapes]

Hi, I suggest you reading this thread: http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...ild-guide.html Or signing up for DVA WILD Class Thought you shouldn't follow fully those tutorials They are only here to guide you at the beginning of your WILD Journey After you find technique that somewhat made you achieve a Successful WILD then you should follow it and on the road modify it to your needs. Lucid Dreaming is quite personal thing And WILDing is like the master of it's personal stuff from all lucid dreaming techniques. I used to follow fully Mzzkc's guide and followed advice from it about anchors to keep them just auxiliary mental processes that work in background. And it didn't turn out well. I have quite very active mind and i'm used to sleeping with lots lots and lots of thoughts active at head, so keeping up anchors like that only made me fall asleep After long time i've decided to do wild my own way basing on fundamentals n' personal successes So i've decided to focus most of my mental focus instead of just keeping them auxilary mental processes And this resulted in having three lucid dreams in three days after the first attempt If you want to get swift, smooth and regular WILDs in most of cases you need to throw your two cents in. That's what i belive. While i'm not an expert on WILDS at all(never had one) but maybe the anchor you were using wasn't good for you. Everyone is different just like you said so you might try something else to keep you aware. My personal anchor I developed is really hard to explain but it seems promising. It's hard to describe though so maybe let me know if you really wanna see my personal one. BTW you had 19 more WILDS than me so congrats for that at least!

[MisakaMikoto]

While i'm not an expert on WILDS at all(never had one) but maybe the anchor you were using wasn't good for you. Everyone is different just like you said so you might try something else to keep you aware. My personal anchor I developed is really hard to explain but it seems promising. It's hard to describe though so maybe let me know if you really wanna see my personal one. BTW you had 19 more WILDS than me so congrats for that at least! Don't worry, if you will keep trying on learning to WILD and practice you will eventually be able to even master it It might take time thought. Some people might get WILDs effortlessly within few days or weeks while others may need to put in more effort & time. I myself been practicing for around six months or maybe even more (Technique switches, breaks etc.) But i guess i'm myself at fault why i'm practicing soo long (Used to follow straightly tutorials or guides) And about anchor The anchor i used and use now is same. Counting Repeatly 0.1.2.0.1.2.0.1.2... (I doubt we can even call it standard wild counting anchor with so little numbers ) Thought back then i was following straightly tutorials and tried to keep focus on anchor as low as possible. Now when i practice i'm trying to keep slight amounts of focus on counting. So basicly using lots of brainpower

[Elaol]

Don't worry, if you will keep trying on learning to WILD and practice you will eventually be able to even master it It might take time thought. Some people might get WILDs effortlessly within few days or weeks while others may need to put in more effort & time. I myself been practicing for around six months or maybe even more (Technique switches, breaks etc.) But i guess i'm myself at fault why i'm practicing soo long (Used to follow straightly tutorials or guides) So basicly using lots of brainpower So what do you suggest? To try out different techniques and take good sides of each of them and make my own? Tell me your mistakes please so I don't make them, since I am quite limited with time, I have 2 months. I go to university in October and I have to be on classes at 8 so I don't have time to WILD in the morning, and as I've said I want a good night sleep

[MisakaMikoto]

So what do you suggest? To try out different techniques and take good sides of each of them and make my own? Tell me your mistakes please so I don't make them, since I am quite limited with time, I have 2 months. I go to university in October and I have to be on classes at 8 so I don't have time to WILD in the morning, and as I've said I want a good night sleep Well, by creating your own technique i didn't meant creating entirely new technique. I just meant finding one that works for you and eventualy modifying it if there is any troublesome stuff within the technique that makes you unhappy. Aswell experimenting with technique if it does not seem to work for you (Example: Technique tells you to count infinitly during the WILD but it keeps you awake too much. You decide to cut time up to 15 seconds and make counting repetitive after reaching 15 and going back to 1. Suddenly technique starts to show effects and your reaching vibrations state during WILD. Yet you fall asleep after reaching vibrations a couple of times. Your wondering whether to keep more focus on counting or extend it from 15 to 30 maybe?) The stuff i said was mainly directed at WILDs since your first attempts with them will be pretty much shoot n' miss till something works out. And when you find technique that worked once you should try to go along with it. Yet there might be something you don't like about the technique and you might want to change it (Example: Technique tells you to stay awake for two hours before trying to WILD. You decide to change time from two hours to mere nine minutes). If technique still works for you after suitablity change then great but if it does not then you might need to adjust it a little back. So from nine minutes up to twenty etc. That's all there is to it. Not more nor less And now about your limited time. I wouldn't suggest you going with WILDs if you have only two months. WILD Technique is the real beast and it might take for one guy few days to master it and for some dudes few months. I'm not saying that WILDs are hard they are just very personal and they tend to become easy when you find a way to them successfuly. Going with DILDs probably would be more appropriate for you since they are easier to achieve and most of them does not needs you to break your good night sleep. DILD Techniques are less personal aswell than WILDs so following fully guide might prove successful If you want to go still with WILDing yet keeping your good night sleep you can try DEILDs or just do them during the naps (Aka after few hours of staying awake) Some mistakes that i have done with WILD Techniques: - Tried them at first time when falling asleep (No WBTB, aka just going to bed at natural sleep time and trying to WILD ) - Being too excited (It can make you unable to fall asleep) - Not making notes (I guess that's biggest mistake from them all. Once ago i had around four or maybe even five Successful WILDs and i was like jokes on them i mastered the wild. One week later i started to fail on wilds hard once more. Making notes can be really userful with WILDs. The more detailed they are the better. You want to figure out how can you wild successfuly afterall. And your memory might get messy as the time passes) Goodluck

[HeWhoShapes]

That actually sounds like a really boring anchor, but mine isn't really that fun and amazing either so I guess it's ok cuz you use it to fall asleep so I think it kinda has to be boring.

[Elaol]

Well, by creating your own technique i didn't meant creating entirely new technique. I just meant finding one that works for you and eventualy modifying it if there is any troublesome stuff within the technique that makes you unhappy. Aswell experimenting with technique if it does not seem to work for you (Example: Technique tells you to count infinitly during the WILD but it keeps you awake too much. You decide to cut time up to 15 seconds and make counting repetitive after reaching 15 and going back to 1. Suddenly technique starts to show effects and your reaching vibrations state during WILD. Yet you fall asleep after reaching vibrations a couple of times. Your wondering whether to keep more focus on counting or extend it from 15 to 30 maybe?) The stuff i said was mainly directed at WILDs since your first attempts with them will be pretty much shoot n' miss till something works out. And when you find technique that worked once you should try to go along with it. Yet there might be something you don't like about the technique and you might want to change it (Example: Technique tells you to stay awake for two hours before trying to WILD. You decide to change time from two hours to mere nine minutes). If technique still works for you after suitablity change then great but if it does not then you might need to adjust it a little back. So from nine minutes up to twenty etc. That's all there is to it. Not more nor less And now about your limited time. I wouldn't suggest you going with WILDs if you have only two months. WILD Technique is the real beast and it might take for one guy few days to master it and for some dudes few months. I'm not saying that WILDs are hard they are just very personal and they tend to become easy when you find a way to them successfuly. Going with DILDs probably would be more appropriate for you since they are easier to achieve and most of them does not needs you to break your good night sleep. DILD Techniques are less personal aswell than WILDs so following fully guide might prove successful If you want to go still with WILDing yet keeping your good night sleep you can try DEILDs or just do them during the naps (Aka after few hours of staying awake) Some mistakes that i have done with WILD Techniques: - Tried them at first time when falling asleep (No WBTB, aka just going to bed at natural sleep time and trying to WILD ) - Being too excited (It can make you unable to fall asleep) - Not making notes (I guess that's biggest mistake from them all. Once ago i had around four or maybe even five Successful WILDs and i was like jokes on them i mastered the wild. One week later i started to fail on wilds hard once more. Making notes can be really userful with WILDs. The more detailed they are the better. You want to figure out how can you wild successfuly afterall. And your memory might get messy as the time passes) Goodluck I will do them at naps after university. I will wake up at 7am and maybe at 2 pm when I am really tired and fall asleep very easy. Today I tried whit words play as an anchor and almost had it. I've also tried focusing on my leg, but with no success, I only hurt my arms because of awkward position and I can't hold it anymore.I dreamed my tablet (I read books on tablet) and I dreamed one page and I knew I was dreaming, but somehow couldn't transition to dream. Also I made 8 entries to my dream journal. That's a good recall if I am not mistaken. I have to research transitioning.