WILD - Every Night in the Twightlight Zone!

[ezzolucid]

hi everyone, i have been attempting to WILD for 2 months now and although I have had some success, about 99% of the time I find myself in a headspace that I just dont understand (I call it the twightlight zone). I have trawled forums but can never find any info on this but im sure every wilder experiences this all the time so I hope that someone here can help as once I solve this mystery then i believe I will be able to WILD every single night. I will use last nights WILD attempt as an example I WBTB after 6 hours. Now I know for sure that if i was to fall back asleep right now that i would have a good 2 hours of non lucid vivid dreams. This leads me to know that my WBTB timing is spot on for REM. Ok, so I stayed up for 15 mins then layed back down, deep breathing, relaxing the body, feeling confident and then when i feel drowsy and on the edge of sleep i introduce a mantra 'stay aware, awareness, stay aware, awareness' As i repeat this in the back of my mind the whole amazing side show begins .... I will feel my mouth and jaw feel strange, my fingers and hands will feel numb / tingly, i will have some swirly stuff going on, i will have visual hallucinations, (i know they are not dreams) and all manner of weird stuff will happen. Im experienced to know that i can take all of these goings on and term them under the umbrella of 'HI' and 'HH' At no time am i scared, i am able to keep very still and i lay there looking forward to a lucid dream whilst enjoying the lead up to it The problem is that i just tend to stay in this twightlight zone for ages, some times up to 90 minutes! and then its time to get up or i give up Now heres what I need to know. During that 90 mins twightlight zone stuff, i am deeply relaxed and i am very conscious of what is going of, if someone came into the room then i would be able to answer them if they asked a questions. Now there are 5 places this twightlight stage could be. a) I could be awake b) I could be in stage 1 sleep c) i could be in stage 2 sleep d) i could be in stage 3 sleep e) I could be in rem Now I can eliminate 'd' as deep sleep has passed, i can eliminate 'b' stage 1 sleep as im led to believe that the early hours after wbtb consist of stage 2 and rem. I can also eliminate 'e' as im not in rem as im not dreaming So was i awake for those 90 mins or was i in stage 2 sleep? If i was in stage 2 sleep, im unsure of how i could be so aware of my external surroundings ( i would easily be able to just get out of bed or if someone asked if I was asleep i would say 'no' and even so, where was my rem???? :-( But if im awake then how am i able to feel such a wide range of physical and mental sensations ranging from numbness to hearing myself snoring to dream snippets that are as real as a 2D film? Can anyone help. I feel that once I have solved this part then i will figure how to become lucid from there and as im in this situation every night then logically i can learn to WILD every night. Looking forward to some replys Thanks guys Ezzo

[dolphin]

This is from Sageous' WILD tutorial. 5. Mind the noise! Don’t let SP matter, skip the vibrations et al, and keep HI from turning your natural progression to sleep into some ersatz mystical experience. Note it all, and use some of it (HI in particular) to form your dream if you must (see step #6), but don’t be taken by the “noise,” it does not deserve you! 6. Form the dream. With awareness in place and the difficult bits of falling asleep behind you, allow yourself to enter the dreaming, and let the fun begin. Be sure to have a dream on tap, because your dreaming mind might not be ready for you, and might just haphazardly deposit you into your room! Form that dream from your own invented schemas, or use HI to “work” images into a particular dreamscape. What has worked for me in the past was to work the HH by imagining it becoming more vivid or to imagine a dream scene when the HH comes.

[ezzolucid]

This is from Sageous' WILD tutorial. What has worked for me in the past was to work the HH by imagining it becoming more vivid or to imagine a dream scene when the HH comes. Hi dolphin, most of the tutorials say to not get caught up in the HH because it would send you into an unconscious sleep?? Its a bit confusing when it says to ignore the 'noise' but then to say interact with the HH ?? Still confused :-(

[LouaiB]

Hi dolphin, most of the tutorials say to not get caught up in the HH because it would send you into an unconscious sleep?? Its a bit confusing when it says to ignore the 'noise' but then to say interact with the HH ?? Still confused :-( first of all, i agree with what dolphin posted. to answer your question in a quick manner: Yes you should not let HH distract you. It kinda haults the WILD dive. But, you can actually turn this dreaded obstacle into a bonus! Let's say you're now WILDing and seeing the HI and trying to ignore it and continuing on the falling asleep. Great, but you can use these HH to actually help form the dream instead of just distracting you. Let's say you saw a light bubble HI and it kinda looks like a tree. Instead of letting it distract you pushing the dream away, you can imagine the dream forming at a park and you're looking at one of the trees! This pulls the dream closer, it helps form it. You can do this with the touch sense too for example, and hearing and so on. Same thing, just bend the noise towards a dream scheme instead of letting it dazzle you away from sleep.

[UncannyFAE]

I think at that stage you need to start visualizing a dream scene if the dream doesn't come naturally. I found this article, so I hope it helps. How To Visualize for Meditation and Lucid Dreams