Thread: Help me with WILD please. What am I doing wrong?

Originally Posted by Sageous

tldr: I think your main problem here is that you're paying attention to the wrong things, are not letting your mind get in the right place for sleep and lucidity, and are not relaxing. WILD is all about relaxing and falling asleep while maintaining waking-life self-awareness; no more, no less. I highly recommend that you try the DV WILD tutorial, or my DVA WILD class, and maybe attach less importance to the stuff you read on the internet.

I think you are taking Skyzors stated interest in WILDing too literally here. What was described was essentially a textbook approach to initiating an astral projection, or an OBE, from the waking state. And indeed a description of very nearly achieving it (seeing through closed eyes, vibrations, manically beating heart).

What I would suggest is deciding from the outset whether to go for a wake-initiated lucid dream, or a wake-initiated AP/OBE. Given Skyzors unusual ability to have prolonged HI, I think WILDing is the obvious choice, along with heeding your advice on this.

By the way, I should add for clarity that I have come to believe that WILD and AP are related but distinct conditions, with AP characterized by peripheral awareness, and WILD characterized by the lack of this (this is not a tenaciously held belief, but it is how I see it at present).

Originally Posted by Voldmer

I think you are taking Skyzors stated interest in WILDing too literally here. What was described was essentially a textbook approach to initiating an astral projection, or an OBE, from the waking state. And indeed a description of very nearly achieving it (seeing through closed eyes, vibrations, manically beating heart

And what is your own explanation of the differences between OBE and AP and WILD?

Originally Posted by StarSeeker

And what is your own explanation of the differences between OBE and AP and WILD?

OBE would be an experience of being in the physical world without the customary physical body. AP would be an experience of being in another physical world, again without the customary physical body. WILD would be an experience of witnessing another world without actually being truly inside it and not having peripheral awareness.

I appreciate that words (names) can be misleading (and generate confusion even between people who experience the exact same thing) whenever describing anything that is not clearly of the physical world. Unfortunately, words are all we have.

EDIT: Actually, words are not all we have. I guess we could draw things, or act them out.

Thank you all a lot for taking the time to help me. I highly appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Sageous

tldr: I think your main problem here is that you're paying attention to the wrong things, are not letting your mind get in the right place for sleep and lucidity, and are not relaxing. WILD is all about relaxing and falling asleep while maintaining waking-life self-awareness; no more, no less. I highly recommend that you try the DV WILD tutorial, or my DVA WILD class, and maybe attach less importance to the stuff you read on the internet.

Hi Sageous, thank you very much for your advice.
I read your post multiple times yesterday and wanted to let it all sink in.
Most importantly, I think that you are right. If I could forget everything I've ever read about WILD, I'd instantly do it and start from scratch, just to change my mindset.
I did read the tutorial here some weeks ago and I also went through all your classes, and DV definitely approaches WILD very differently from what I've read in other places.

I will focus on trying WILD in early mornings after WBTB according to the DV tutorials and your teachings, then at least I am sure that I can fall asleep very quickly.
The only challenge that I'll be facing is not losing consciousness in the process, and I'm not sure yet how I'll achieve that, but I will keep trying until I succeed.
Mainly I'll be adjusting the WBTB durations and the times when I try it. Also, I'll try out various anchors (mantra instead of counting, visualization, etc.)
Perhaps I might give it a break for one week or two first.

Originally Posted by Voldmer

I think you are taking Skyzors stated interest in WILDing too literally here. What was described was essentially a textbook approach to initiating an astral projection, or an OBE, from the waking state. And indeed a description of very nearly achieving it (seeing through closed eyes, vibrations, manically beating heart).

What I would suggest is deciding from the outset whether to go for a wake-initiated lucid dream, or a wake-initiated AP/OBE. Given Skyzors unusual ability to have prolonged HI, I think WILDing is the obvious choice, along with heeding your advice on this.

By the way, I should add for clarity that I have come to believe that WILD and AP are related but distinct conditions, with AP characterized by peripheral awareness, and WILD characterized by the lack of this (this is not a tenaciously held belief, but it is how I see it at present).

Hi Voldmer, thank you for your advice. I personally believe that OBEs and APs are just another form of dreams, but still dreams nonetheless. This might change though if I ever experience one.
Assumed that I succeeded with my approach and ended up having an OBE, I would still call that a successful WILD.