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Originally Posted by TDHXIII

I will not stop at this point. Today i will try to pull of the mind clearing process and see if i can get good at it before trying it out on the spot. If i can do that, then it's over and i'm ready to WILD.

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I wish you the best of luck!

Last night's attempt went pretty grand, awareness wise. I was able to stay awake a full 1.5 hours, while keeping constant focused awareness on my mantra, even though, it seemed like my mind was totally intent on making me struggle, lol.

I stayed awake for 35 minutes last night during my WBTB. I read some previous dreams and thought about my LD goals. While doing this, I was sitting in my bathroom with the light on, and I don't know if that plays a factor in keeping me too awake to actually "fall asleep." Anyways, I layed down on my back, and it was pretty much smooth sailing the whole time. I never rolled over once, even though I had the urge to. I tried to keep constant awareness on my mantra. However, I experienced something odd sometimes. Randomly throughout the attempt, I would always find myself "slightly" moving random body parts without my awareness of it. For example, I'd be focusing on my mantra, mind slightly wandering, and then suddenly my eyelids open a tiny bit. I quickly close them once I realize. This also happened with random arm and hand movements as well.

So, my plan for tonight is to stay up for 25 minutes, to see if I'll actually be able to fall asleep this time during my attempt. And Sageous, I mentioned earlier that I sat in the light of my bathroom during my WBTB attempt. Is that bad? Should I invest in a reading light instead?

^^ Sounds like some good work, Sydney! Good job taking those random movements in stride, too, because they really do not matter.

I just noticed in your account that you don't seem to be giving much thought to your upcoming dream during the WILD dive itself. You may have just left that bit out, but if you didn't, then be sure you've always got where you want to be -- in your dream, lucid -- somewhere in your thoughts. Knowing you will be dreaming, and that the dream is the purpose of the WILD, seems to help the dream dream form more easily. Remember also that a mantra is meant to help you hold your focus on the dream, and is not meant to be an object of focus itself: use your mantra to keep you on track, but don't make it the most important aspect of your dive, because that spot is reserved for the dream.


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Originally Posted by Sydney

And Sageous, I mentioned earlier that I sat in the light of my bathroom during my WBTB attempt. Is that bad? Should I invest in a reading light instead?

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As long as you are not doing your WILD in the bathroom, that light is fine. Light during the WBTB is, if anything, helpful to your effort to wake up a bit.

Not a WILD and not an attempt, but something relevant and interesting perhaps: in the last few nights, I've woken several times through the night, and I've observed the changes in my state of mind as I began falling asleep, particularly those times where it took a while (30+ minutes). I noticed when I would enter a "deeper" state, my vision registered a lower level of light, more towards darkness, than the full waking "looking at my eyelid" level of light (I was wearing a sleep mask). My mind seemed somehow quieter than full wakefulness. I would guess that this was observing the onset the first light stages of sleep. It gives me some hope that I could continue working on WILD and making progress.

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Originally Posted by Sageous

I just noticed in your account that you don't seem to be giving much thought to your upcoming dream during the WILD dive itself. You may have just left that bit out, but if you didn't, then be sure you've always got where you want to be -- in your dream, lucid -- somewhere in your thoughts. Knowing you will be dreaming, and that the dream is the purpose of the WILD, seems to help the dream dream form more easily. Remember also that a mantra is meant to help you hold your focus on the dream, and is not meant to be an object of focus itself: use your mantra to keep you on track, but don't make it the most important aspect of your dive, because that spot is reserved for the dream.

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Well, I do think about the upcoming dream in that I imagine completing my dream goals, but I could still probably do a lot more! And yeah, the only reason I really focused on the mantra was so that my mind wanderings wouldn't take over, because even while focusing on the mantra, my mind was still wandering and it was very distracting XD I guess that is what happens when you're in REM.

And Sageous, one more challenge (^^) I need to figure out is that.. how do I know when I've entered the dream? Is there anything else I have to "do" in order to transition?

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Originally Posted by Sydney

And Sageous, one more challenge (^^) I need to figure out is that.. how do I know when I've entered the dream? Is there anything else I have to "do" in order to transition?

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It's a funny thing: I've gotten this question many times over the years, and I've always had a problem answering it. Why? Because the only true answer this: You will know when you arrive, so don't worry about it. But this always sounds a bit condescending (not to mention self-referential), so:

First, be very happy that you are finally concerned about getting to the dream itself; that is a milestone in itself!

Next. when the dream begins you very likely will have no trouble identifying it, because it will resemble what you have come to know as a dream, simply through your lifetime of experience having them. In other words, don't worry about knowing when your dream has begun, and trust your experience to recognize your state.

That said, it is a good idea to remind yourself that you will know when your dream has begun, so that you don't accidentally decide you are dreaming when you are still experiencing HI or dreamlets, since doing that is a great way to wake up fully.

The only exception to all this is the false awakening. Your dream might start as a FA in your room, and that can be confusing... of course, it is easily overcome by doing a RC (and as a WILD practitioner you should already be in the habit of doing a RC when you wake up, right?). So if you find yourself in your room, suddenly awake, be sure to take a moment to question whether or not you are dreaming.

tl;dr: Don't worry, when the dream starts, you will know.

For the relaxation technique, i feel like i got a flow with it but i didn't achieve such state due to sneezing that blew my attempt to relax and clear my mind. Next thing is that i need to fix up my sleep schedule because i messed it up really badly.

Instead of trying the mind-clearing technique on the spot, i will try to clear my mind while sitting to avoid sleeping and making things worse. A few minor problems are popping up but i'm considering fixing them from here on out.

So last night, as expected, I wasn't as aware and I'm pretty sure I lost conciousness at some point. After 1.5 hours (checked the clock.. it felt like it), I just decided to at least get 30 minutes of actual sleep. And guess what, I did get a DILD! But my alarm cut it short lol. And it sucked because: in the dream, I "fell asleep". I "woke up" in the dream, and realized I was dreaming so I thought I was having a lucid dream within that actual dream, and so therefore I felt rushed, which screwed up all my goals I had carefully planned out. XD

You can read it here if you'd like: First Day At College (DILD) 7/2/15 - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

So tonight I'm aiming for 30 minutes again; hopefully it'll be just right. I'm also moving my WBTB time to a later time, so that I can get in the vicinity of the REM cycle that I have most of my LDs in. Maybe I'll be able to actually fall asleep then. ^^

Finished my finals a couple weeks ago, and the results came out a couple days ago, and I passed! Wow, finally done with school! Next year is college for me, pure mathematics. Anyways, this means I can finally get back to practicing LDing properly. I actually started practicing properly again 2 weeks ago, but a couple things then happened these 2 weeks, one good and one bad, which delayed my practice until now. Good is that I hit a new level in music production. It got so exciting I spent all my time on my laptop doing music, which is paying off; I'm getting lots of good track now too, and quickly, and much better than before. Other thing is that we hit a bit of a crisis. The police took the car, and I'm living at my mom's now. The problem is being solved now though, so good. Don't wanna sidetrack too much, so here it goes:

So anyways, I had a wild, well 2, one genuine wild, and the other was an unfinished wild dive but which led to a mild. Masan I'm glad I can manage these plan b milds. These are insuring lucidity almost half of the nights I try to LD. I forgot how the dive went, but when I got lucid, the first thing I did was to stay calm and not worry about waking up. It worked a bit and I managed to stay longer a bit, but it got over me again and I woke up :(

It's getting demotivated bcz I know it's still early for those cool vivid lasting LDs, but good thing is that LDing now at my level isn't much of an effort anymore. I DJ in the morning, which doesn't take much time, and I love doing my long wbtbs, and get excited for wilds and milds, and also it's easier now to induce LDs. It's not so much hard work anymore (hope I'm not wrong though :cheeky: ). Plus, I'm used to practicing, so it's not even like I'm doing anything effortful, so it's pretty obvious it's just a matter of worrying how much time it'll take to reach my goal. But I'll reach it. :D

So, today i decided to try out the relaxation process at afternoon. What i did though was to watch a "guided meditation" video on youtube that gave me a dizzy effect in place of meditating myself. I went back to bed and layed down on my back with a seemingly clear mind that had very few thoughts.

Then i tried to count my breaths to try to meditate myself, but very soon i stopped doing counting and probably wandered off. Even though that happened, i continued staying motionless, and feeling relaxed.. In other words, i stayed still, didn't think about anything, and just admired the sensations i felt.

Here is the juicy part..
After a while of doing the above, i felt as if my body was numbing in a weird way. It felt like something switched off and immediately after that i started hearing and sensing the usual HI's. I heard some voices, felt my body slightly swaying, and i was beginning to hear that annoying buzz but by the time it started coming into me, i auto-focused on one of those sensations and shortly it resulted in all of them stopping altogether. I stayed still for some more moments hoping for something to happen, but it looked like i broke it with my focus on the HI. I didn't confirm whether or not my body was paralyzed. So i'm slightly confused as whether this was before or during the transition phase.

Additionally, right now i have memory of being in around 2 "dreams", this confused me because i don't remember falling unconscious to begin with and i don't remember waking up either. I might brush them off as those daydreams that my poor mind was driven into.. even though they felt like normal dreams.

This was a fresh experience. It looks like this was my first time intentionally going so close or even into REM-Atonia. However, i resorted to using external help through that one youtube video. I will try to induce that clear-minded state by myself as now i have an idea to what it feels like to enter it.

Through this experience i didn't think a lot, it was hardcore. And probably the correct way to WILD overall...

Which concludes that: It's going smooth.

Now i have to give this another try. This could give me the hint to keep my WBTB longer than usual to keep some awareness, because i feel like i lost it somewhere during the attempt today. Well whatever it is, it's only a matter of time to figure out the rest.

And i know, Sageous.. Noise must be ignored. I couldn't help it though this time. Next time?

The mistake: Focusing on the hallucinations

So I did stay up during WBTB for 30 minutes last night, and it seemed to have the same effect as when I stayed up for 25 minutes. I wasn't as aware, I kept losing conciousness and regaining it (having some small dreams here and there), and I never was aware enough to realize I had woken up from those dreams and to continue the WILD.

Tonight, I'm trying 35 minutes again, because I was able to stay aware through 1.5 hours that last time I did it (I think it was 3 days ago?). However, if staying up for 30 minutes causes me to do the above, I should probably up the time even more.

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Originally Posted by Sydney

So I did stay up during WBTB for 30 minutes last night, and it seemed to have the same effect as when I stayed up for 25 minutes. I wasn't as aware, I kept losing conciousness and regaining it (having some small dreams here and there), and I never was aware enough to realize I had woken up from those dreams and to continue the WILD.

Tonight, I'm trying 35 minutes again, because I was able to stay aware through 1.5 hours that last time I did it (I think it was 3 days ago?). However, if staying up for 30 minutes causes me to do the above, I should probably up the time even more.

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I think a better way to experiment is to up more than just 5 minutes. 5 minutes might be too small of a time, and the variables occurring could be stronger than the difference 5 minutes would cause. You should try 10 min wbtb, 1 hour wbtb, etc. To narrow it down properly.
If you already did that and found out you range on around 30 min, then I don't think you need too woody too much about 5 minutes of difference, especially that as you do more of your wbtbs, you'll start sensing when it's a proper time to get back to sleep. For example, I know my wbtbs are long (like an hour long) but I don't worry about it too much. I can feel when I'm ready, and it happens to be around 1 hour. Don't get me wrong, you should know if you need long or short wbtbs, but you don't need to be so specific. You can't anyways, night to night variables make the proper wbtb duration vary (not vary much, you'll still be in your average range most of the times). With practice you'll get a proper sense.


Anyways, I tried wild last night, and it didn't work, but something interesting happened.
I got tired quickly and then my touch sense came in strong. I felt myself walking, and so I guess the dream was forming, but then I 'fell' lol. It felt like falling and scared the heck out of me and snapped me awake. I almost fell off the bed. This used to happen a lot, but it stopped, but now an instant of it passed. I remember when it used to ruin most of my dives. Hope it doesn't come back lol.

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Originally Posted by LouaiB

I think a better way to experiment is to up more than just 5 minutes. 5 minutes might be too small of a time, and the variables occurring could be stronger than the difference 5 minutes would cause. You should try 10 min wbtb, 1 hour wbtb, etc. To narrow it down properly.
If you already did that and found out you range on around 30 min, then I don't think you need too woody too much about 5 minutes of difference, especially that as you do more of your wbtbs, you'll start sensing when it's a proper time to get back to sleep. For example, I know my wbtbs are long (like an hour long) but I don't worry about it too much. I can feel when I'm ready, and it happens to be around 1 hour. Don't get me wrong, you should know if you need long or short wbtbs, but you don't need to be so specific. You can't anyways, night to night variables make the proper wbtb duration vary (not vary much, you'll still be in your average range most of the times). With practice you'll get a proper sense.

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Thanks for the advice, LouaiB! ^^ I think I might try an hour, then. I bet I won't be able to fall asleep, but, it'll help me to decide how long my WBTBs should be.

Sageous, I was thinking about this.. would it be better to only WILD on specific days? Like, a couple times each week? The reason being, is so that I can actually get a full night's sleep some nights, and be well rested for the WILD, so I don't accidentally fall asleep during my attempts like I most of the time do. What do you think?

I'm back..

After figuring out how to properly use WILD anchors, things have gotten quite easier than before.
I postponed my classic-WILD attempts to another time due to me not figuring out how to relax by myself. But thanks to that, i had the chance to give the FILD approach another try.

I woke up naturally at some point, i had my eyes closed at the time. After waking up and realizing i woke up i quickly started up my FILD attempt. It only took around 15~20 seconds for the sensations / hallucinations to kick in. I fell unconscious after this part yet again. The reason? Probably that i was trying to find HI, i just couldn't see any.. Or that my WBTB was almost-non-existent..

Whatever this was, i can only see it as a DEILD fused with FILD. I'm not sure if FILD itself is used in this context, but i used it like this anyways.. The large amount of people who reported success with FILD reported also that they layed there for about 30 seconds then RC'd. Mine was quite different, it could be that i was in a dream by the time those hallucinations were happening, and that they were happening IN THE DREAM because of my expectations..

Either way, i got some valuable info from my experience today, and despite losing awareness, i still know that it was my fault yet again. To be honest i don't care about that too much right now, my main focus is actually succeeding in reaching a transition point. I consider it success, even though i was so close to the dream. But hey, practice is finally paying off.

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Originally Posted by Sydney

Thanks for the advice, LouaiB! ^^ I think I might try an hour, then. I bet I won't be able to fall asleep, but, it'll help me to decide how long my WBTBs should be.

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Much as I respect Louai, Sydney, and he is right about the value of a 5-minute change, you might consider keeping your WBTB to the 30-minute range you've already established. I say this for a couple of reasons:

First, you are very close to your WILD, and might want to stick to what you've already established through a good amount of effort. If you suddenly double your WBTB period, you might find yourself starting everything else all over again to accommodate the change to your wakefulness that doubling your WBTB might cause. Going to an hour might work, sure, but is it worth changing the things you do during WBTB, the amount of time it takes to get to sleep, etc? I'm not sure. Plus, I have a feeling you will then go back to 45 minutes, and then back to 30 minutes anyway.

Next, in your response to Louai, you state that you likely will wake up completely with a 1hr WBTB. If you already know that, perhaps you should think about the sense in staying up that long. Also, just having the feeling that you will not go to sleep does a lot to keep you awake, so your betting that you won't fall asleep might be enough to make that a sure thing.

So: Double your WBTB time if you feel you must, but don't do it if you are betting it won't help. If you want to increase your time, go to 45 minutes or so first... and again, Louai is right when he says that changing your WBTB by 5 minutes won't make much of a difference; WILD is not that precise a process.

[Louai: I hope you don't sense any passive-aggression in my post, as none was meant. I deeply appreciate your posts here, and generally am relieved when you answer questions I have missed... I just felt a need to add my 2 cents this time]

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Sageous, I was thinking about this.. would it be better to only WILD on specific days? Like, a couple times each week? The reason being, is so that I can actually get a full night's sleep some nights, and be well rested for the WILD, so I don't accidentally fall asleep during my attempts like I most of the time do. What do you think?

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I highly recommend that, Sydney.

I believe it is a very good idea to schedule your WILDs for a specific day each week, and spend your week preparing for the attempt. That way the WILD attempt becomes an event of sorts, and not just another part of your daily routine. You also have a lot more time to generate expectation/intention specific to your scheduled WILD, which can mean some extra unconscious fuel added to your WILD. Plus, if you schedule the day, you can do specific things like make sure you are getting just the right amount of sleep that day, and you can make sure that your WILD will go uninterrupted by waking-life events like getting up for school.

That said, it still doesn't hurt to practice your WILD dive every time you go to sleep, or happen to waken during your sleep cycle. There's no need to do a WBTB on "off" days, but just go through your WILD routine whenever you are going to sleep (even at night). You likely will not WILD, but doing so will help you develop your chosen falling-asleep routine, and strengthen your ability to maintain your mantra and focus... also, doing so can lead to DILD's and there is certainly nothing wrong with that!

I'm looking for a tip on what to do during the time i experience auditory hallucinations and the things like it. What is the best thing to do during this?
For me, i will try to roll-over with my dream body during these. Because i stay there for a while with nothing happening or me falling unconscious.

Thanks so much for the reply, Sageous! I'll keep everything you said about WBTB times in mind.

And for how many times I attempt WILD during the week, I was thinking along the lines of maybe attempting 4 nights a week, instead of 7. If I find I still want to shorten how many times I attempt during the week, then I will. I just wanted to see if it would keep me more motivated, rested (I lose a lot of sleep attempting WILDs every night XD, but I'm certainly fine with that!), and like you said, having some chances to practice WILDing without having to do WBTB, and improving my dream recall. ^^ So I thought, this way I won't feel like I'm "going through the motions" every night.

I'm not attempting tonight, and I feel motivated already. XD

Thanks Sageous! ^^

@Sageous don't worry, I didn't view your post as passive-aggressive. If anything, I'm feeling really bad bcz I gave a bad advice, and glad that you noticed and corrected me. I didn't notice that Sydney is already close to proper WILDing factors. I just suggested experimenting in a larger scale if she hasn't found the proper period yet bcz I see proper wbtb periods vary greatly from person to person.

[Also I'm always worried about answering questions in these class threads bcz I'm not an official teacher in DV, but what can I say, I love helping ppl and teaching them when it comes to LDing! ^^ ]

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Originally Posted by TDHXIII

I need a tip on what to do during the time i experience auditory hallucinations and the such. What is the best thing to do during this?

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Well you should not get distracted by them. Try to ignore them. Buuuut, a nice trick is to do the schemas trick. If these sounds sound like talking for example (let's say someone screaming your name), imagine that there is someone and he's calling you. Next thing you know, you start seeing him! That helps form the dream faster, bcz it pushes more senses to form (visual in this case). Well I know this trick helps for visual HI, but it works for me touch wise for sure, and has worked a few times auditory wise.
Sageous has a great thread about it in his WILD class. Hope I explained it properly, and this is more of a notice to it.

Anyways, just don't let it distract you too much, and keep on the dive, but if you can use this trick to help 'trick' your mind to pushing senses sooner, then try it.

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Originally Posted by LouaiB

Well you should not get distracted by them. Try to ignore them. Buuuut, a nice trick is to do the schemas trick. If these sounds sound like talking for example (let's say someone screaming your name), imagine that there is someone and he's calling you. Next thing you know, you start seeing him! That helps form the dream faster, bcz it pushes more senses to form (visual in this case). Well I know this trick helps for visual HI, but it works for me touch wise for sure, and has worked a few times auditory wise.
Sageous has a great thread about it in his WILD class. Hope I explained it properly, and this is more of a notice to it.

Anyways, just don't let it distract you too much, and keep on the dive, but if you can use this trick to help 'trick' your mind to pushing senses sooner, then try it.

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So what you are saying is that i should try to link the sensations all together as if they were all happening in a dream? I'll try that.

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@Sageous don't worry, I didn't view your post as passive-aggressive. If anything, I'm feeling really bad bcz I gave a bad advice, and glad that you noticed and corrected me. I didn't notice that Sydney is already close to proper WILDing factors. I just suggested experimenting in a larger scale if she hasn't found the proper period yet bcz I see proper wbtb periods vary greatly from person to person.

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Hey, don't feel bad. I thought your [and Sageous's] advice was great, especially about how going up in 5-minute increments isn't something I should be doing. ^^ If anything, we both learned something today!

Checking in with the Wild attempts - I have been helping to look after an elderly family member in WL so sleep is disrupted.
I have some new bits of experience to bring to light in my recent attempts at WILD - during the time after relaxation in the dives I began noticing my thought patterns movements and watched myself becoming more and more abstract in the way thoughts were coming and falling together. ..This abstractness feels quite calming : it seems I am an observer of this my flow of thoughts that seem to dance around and almost become dreams but never quite...Is this one of the stages of sleep possibly?

I think this happens when I sometimes manage to take a short nap in the day - it never reaches full blown dream but thoughts go all abstract and become insignificant - space opens out - I rest like that for a while and get up refreshed.

Are these stages in falling asleep ? And how does it relate to Wilding and reaching the LD?

Thanks a Million :okbyenow:

^^ It sounds to me like you were wandering through a bit of NREM, Patience, meaning that you had already fallen asleep, and your dream was likely just around the corner.

To me that's not a bad place at all to be; sort of a peaceful pause before the dream itself begins. But the dream will begin shortly, so if I were you I'd relax, enjoy the calm thoughts, and be happy you are in such a pleasant place while awaiting the onset of REM and your dream.

If you want to get things moving, though, it is possible to use your NREM time and imagery to begin forming your dream. Doing so has a tendency to shorten the NREM time (so I rarely do it), but it will help keep your mind on the dream, and maybe accelerate the approach of REM, and your LD.

Still in my quest to make WBTB happen later that I had been used to, basically my target is the 2 last hours of sleep, which is for me: h+7 - h+9 .
This means avoiding to make a h+4 WBTB, and I managed not to do this.
However these 3 or 4 last nights, if I successfully managed to avoid the early WBTB, I wasn't able to proceed to the late WBTB although I was conscious during micro awakening, I just didn't find the energy to quit the bed.
Nevertheless it was a good thing for the quality of my sleep.

The rare times I practiced a WBTB, it was too short and I lost consciousness to fast.

Because of these missed attempts, I decided to use back my Rem-Dreamer with the DreamAlarm mode which almost guaranties me to be awoken during a REM Dream.

It worked fine at least one time, and I managed to sit on my bed, but wasn't able to make the WBTB last more than 2 or 3 minutes.
Then I lie on my back, try to use my mantra, but soon I find this position too uncomfortable, and because I was in the beginning of a REM sleep few minutes before, I was expecting the REM to come back faster but it didn't happen, so I rapidly got bored and change my position.
So I was on my side, started my mantra again, but I don't remember what happened then excepted than I resisted to the need of moving my legs few minutes, maybe it helped what happened after that.

The LD theme came very fast in the dream I had then, it was not a pure DILD, but I was playing with some of my lucid dreamer's capacities. When I met a human giant and started to speak with him, I started to explain that I was able to make anybody becoming as tall, including myself. So in the following of the dream, I did it happen to several DC and to me.
I also made some demonstrations of other LD powers to some young DC who was asking it to me.
I don't know how much I was aware that I was in a dream, but it was a cool dream anyway.


So I guess I will continue to use the Dream Alarm mode of my RD for the next attempts to see if I can use an awakening and WBTB from REM more efficiently than a WBTB based on a natural awakening which I suppose to happen after the end of REM.

This kind of WBTB is probably supposed to be shorter than a "classic" WBTB if I want to make REM sleep come back soon.
Not sure about that but I will start with this hypothesis.
maybe I should start with another position than doing it on my back as it seams to delay the sleep onset, but I will have to be more aggressive on my mantra or any other anchor I will use, cause lying on my side makes me sleep very fast.

So, I tried 45 minutes for WBTB last night. I thought about my previous dreams, thought about my upcoming LD's goals, and read my previous dreams. However, I ended up falling asleep after 20-30 minutes again. :'(

I just don't understand.. nearly 2-3 years ago when I would attempt my WILDs, merely getting up and using the restroom caused me to stay awake for so long that I just had to give up and try to go to sleep. And even a couple days ago when I stayed up for 35 minutes, I was able to stay awake the whole time. Maybe I'm just subconciously "giving up" at the time when I start my WILD attempts and I don't even know?

Tonight, I'm going to stay up for an hour for WBTB. I'll let you know how it goes, hopefully I don't fall asleep so early again! ^^' I just don't see how I'm doing it...

Date: Tuesday July 7 2015, 5:18 AM
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bed at 10:30, wake up at 3:30. I almost didn't get up but then i finally did. Let the dogs out to go pee and wandered around the back yard looking at the sky and thinking about dreaming.I took a "Lucid dreaming" supplement from Dreamimins. I lay still. I stretch my hands, arms, legs, chest, back and face. then i hhold still and repeat the classic Carlos Casteneda mantra. "The next time I am dreaming I will look at my hands and realize I am dreaming. I hear lots of noise. Rushing wind, people talking. I'm thinking about getting up to see what all the commotion is then I remember that I'm WILDing and remember that I'm dreaming.

I'm in a dark room with no light source but a lamp. I'm carrying it around shining it on things. I think that because I'm dreaming I should be able to make light appear.
I try to find a light switch but when i find one, it doesn't work.
i think about how i have that old schema that light switches don't work from "Waking Life".
i find a door and imagine what I want on the other side. I remember how one of my goals is to have a conversation with a DC. I walk through the door
then the lights come on.
I'm in a big room with super tall columns. There's an elegant cocktail party going on.
I am looking at hands, the fingerprints are deepening and darkening and crawling all over my hands in crazy patterns.

I see a pretty indian woman in a black cocktail dress and my sex drive takes over, I walk up to her and started kissing her. I put my arm around her. She's pulling away. I ask what she thinks, not interested, gives me a disgusted look, she leaves and i'm a little annoyed. The dream starts to destabilize so I Look at my hands.

looking at my hand and seeing henna tattoos patterns all over them. I find another door and want to go outside.

make it outside and it's very bright and very green. Lots of grass and a few small buildings.
I try to fly and make a high jump and fall to earth.
I see a building like some kind of fancy shed and use that as a jump off point.
I Jump to the top of the building and fly into space.
I'm looking around at the stars and I see the death star. This is super cool.
I try to fly to it but I'm stuck
I remember the Waggoner technique of thinking myself there so I try to pinch zoom it closer with both hands. Instead of it coming closer the whole sky expands into an industrial death-star landscape. I see smoking red fires and and explosions. This causes a heart rush and I lose the dream.

Dield
I'm walking around in a dark house with lots of hallways and i see people walking around.
I see an old friend but he's now in a wheelchair. I remember that one of my goals is to have a conversation with a dream character. I ask him how he's doing but he won't look me in the eye. His brother walks up to me.
I ask how he's doing.
he tells me that we are friends now and that his brother is happy but distant.
dream goes black

I start spinning. It's like 2001 with the colors shooting all around me.
I am in a very gothic house. There are mer-people flopping all over the place.
they are disgusting. There is a hot meryl streep mer lady laying on the couch. I tell her hi. A big ugly mer monster man, slimy and sweaty, jumps down from a door frame and attacks me.
I wake up.


Tony Blanco

Ive been trying WBTB + WILD lately and I've bumped into a problem. I'll just describe what happened:

23:00 Go to sleep
05:00 wake up (and get up) for WBTB
05:30 I go in a kind of day dream state where I do see a convincingly real scenery and have a vague sense of consciousness.
05:40 I feel a numbness spread over my body but its not that strong
05:41 I feel a hand on my shoulder and I stay calm, my entire body is numb now
05:42 I realize Im in a close state to dreaming but just see grey and try to make a scenery but it fails and frustrates me.
05:43 I "wake" up (I was in a half concious state nearly the whole time)

I would like to hear some tips and I'll see if I can just let the grey space become something next time.