Thread: What do you dream after you've dreamed of everything that you could dream of.

Watch sunsets on other planets. Look at the stars. And such.

Originally Posted by flowofmysoul

(post #77)

I wanted to make (this) thread on it long time ago, I saw your question and now decided to make it

what-do-you-dream-after-youve-dreamed-everything-you-could-dream.

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This is post #1

Originally Posted by Sageous

Two things made me decide to attempt a new shared-dreaming (SD) debate: First, it's been a while since a thorough debate was held about this subject: It seems that DV's discussions about SD have all but gone away, and the few remaining new discussions generally assume that SD not only exists, but is practiced successfully by many, and I'm not sure that position is ready to be a given just yet.

Next, because the implications of SD's proven and practical existence are far-reaching, to the point of possibly rewriting the physics textbooks and upgrading the power of consciousness on a global scale, SD seems a very important subject to debate, allowing both sides a chance to see what the other side thinks (or perhaps learn that there is another side).

These are the only rules, and I hope you will follow them:

* No personal attacks!

The basic question we are debating is "Does SD exist?" and not "Do you believe in SD?" There is a difference.

* Keep your posts thoughtful, and as detailed as possible. Shouting "It is true because I said so!" and "It is not true because I said so!" is not a debate, and is a waste of all our time.

* All theories, no matter how insane, are welcome. But be prepared for them to be shredded; this is a debate. after all!


So have it, and have fun!


[I was going to call this the "WakingNomad Memorial Shared Dreaming Debate," but I'm not sure there are enough dreamers left who remember that great crusader for shared dreaming... and it seems so final...]

From this thread:
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http://www.dreamviews.com/beyond-dre...te-2015-a.html

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First,

WakingNomad asked me in a pm if I'd like to join Facebook or other private forums where Lucid Dreamers participate in many experiments in Dream Remote Viewing and such. I declined because I don't want to join private, esoteric online clubs. I Love Dreamviews' open and above board aproach to psi-dreaming.

Flowofmysoul

You ask:

what-do-you-dream-after-youve-dreamed-everything-you-could-dream

My answer is

We could strike up a conversation with the 73% dark energy (the BigBeing).

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Here is post #66 of my thread.

Originally Posted by EbbTide000

(0:19) In the beginning was the Logos, the Big Bang, the Primordial Aum.

Big Bang theory say’s the physical universe spiraled out of an unimaginably hot and dense single point called a singularity, billions of times smaller the head of a pin. It does not say why or how. The more mysterious something is the more we take for granted that we understand it.

It was thought that eventually gravity would either slow the expansion or contract the universe in a big crunch. However, images from the Hubel space telescope show that the universes expansion seems to be actually accelerating. Expanding faster and faster as it grows out of the Big Bang.

Somehow there is more mass it the universe than physics predicted. To account for the missing mass physicists now say that the universe consists of only 4% atomic matter or what we consider normal matter. 23% of the universe is dark matter and 73% is dark energy what we previously thought of as empty space.

It is like an invisible nervous system that runs throughout the universe connecting all things.

The ancient Vedic teachers taught “Nada Brahma”, “The universe is vibration”. The vibratory field is at the root of all true spiritual experience and scientific investigation. (2:19)

Post #67 reads:

Originally Posted by EbbTide000

I am back and it is 3:33 PM Friday 10-April-15 here in Adelaide

(2:20) It is the same field of energy that all Saint’s, Buddha’s, Yoggies, Priest’s, Shaman’s and Seer’s have observed by looking within themselves.

It has been called Akasha, the Primordial Aum, Indra’s Net of Jewels, the Music of the Sphere’s and a thousand other names throughout history.

It is the common root of all religions

And

The link between our Inner Worlds and our Outer Worlds. (3:26)



Ok Dreamview friends

He just said that the 73% dark energy what we previously thought of as empty space IS the link between our Dream Worlds and Waking Life. That is why I put this in my “Dream Synchronicity Game Reloaded” thread.



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In my opinion, when dreamers strike-up a conversation with 73% Dark Energy "It" replies with off-the-scale waking-life synchronicities.

Because you seemed to solve your riddle in your OP, Flowofmysoul, I was going to pass on responding to it, but over the last day I kept finding myself thinking about this idea, so I might as well share those thoughts (if only to get them out of my own head).

First, this problem of "dreaming of everything you could dream of" would probably stand as a lofty goal to most LD'ers. To have enough lucid dreams to outpace your own imagination and creativity seems to imply that you must be lucid for a very, very long time... Even Watts, in his (eerily familiar) video assumed lifetimes of dream experience would pass before the spigot ran dry. Having concern about approaching that dry spigot would seem a miraculously good thing to most LD'ers, I think! You probably need not be concerned about this for a while, especially if you've decided to "go with the flow," and let your unconscious do more of the heavy lifting of dream creation -- which should I think add centuries of new experiences to your dreams, if not making opportunity for new experience effectively infinite.

All that said, I do want to do a little disagreeing as well. I personally don't think I will ever run out of things to dream, and I have been doing this for a very, very long time. I won't run out for a few reasons:

* I have a lot of faith in my imagination, and its ability to develop new adventures and desires that I wouldn't have imagined earlier. You can only run out of dreaming ideas if you only have a static set of goals, fantasies, expectations, etc.. Your mind is not static; trust it to always come up with new paths to explore, to draw new ideas from every new experience (even experiences had during those 75 year dreams). We are not confined to any set of ideas, unless we choose to be.

* I seek transcendental experience through LD'ing. As I think you already know, there is far more to experience in LD's than simply doing stuff. Use your LD'ing as a transcendental tool for exploring beyond your experiences, beyond your given goals and expectations. Let your dreams take you to places of consciousness that you simply cannot imagine.

* I allow my dreaming universe to grow, infinitely, on its own. I too spent years trying to create and control every aspect of my dreams, but lately I have been letting my dreaming mind give me schemata rather than spending/wasting time trying to do that which my unconscious was designed to do for me. This has worked quite nicely, has given me lots of novel LD'ing experience, and has not limited my ability to manipulate and control the schemata provided. For instance, instead of designing a new world, just move your self there with no more input than, say, "I am in a new world, what will I see?" and see what your dreaming mind (or the cosmos itself, if you believe in those things) has to offer.

* I have been LD'ing for almost 40 years, and haven't run out of ideas yet. Though it is mightily impressive, seven years of steady LD'ing (even if all your dreams are lucid) is not a very long time; you probably have a lot of new experiences ahead of you. Again, even Watts suggested lifetimes of dreaming would be necessary before the dreams run out. You might not have this problem for a very long time.

* I have found that there is nothing wrong with going back and re-exploring old dreams.


I also must add that I do not entirely agree with (or perhaps understand) Watts' assumption that you will one day simply dream your own waking-life existence. Yes, you will come to terms with playing God and finally settle into a different sort of creativity and managing of choices in dreams, but that would probably involve moving beyond your mundane physical existence (and its dreams) toward something new, and greater.

That's what I got. I guess the tl;dr version of this is simply this: I have a feeling that "dreaming of everything you could dream of" will never happen: there will always be something new to do, to imagine, to experience... if you allow it.

Sageous

Thanks for a detailed reply.

I didn't quite succeed at letting my lucid mind go and enjoy non-lucid's, getting on the side of the observer was only a solution that helped me relax when I needed to. But there is always that knowledge that I am in a different world, a world that is currently mine. When I am lucid, it does not mean that I am creating 100% of my dream on my will all the time, I know that many of its events are generated by my subconscious mind and I very often track and understand why this or that thing appeared, in other words I often understand the way my subconscious mind thinks. I think creating a whole new dream and managing all of it is the easiest part for a lucid dreamer and it is needed sometimes when a certain goal is set.


I think we have different understanding of meaning "To dream where you are now". Transcend, evolve through understanding and getting beyond dreaming. This is how I feel I am dreaming where I am now. I am not transcending my 'dreaming self', I am transcending my self as a whole. Because this is my target, this is where I am now.

Instead of spending most of my time in dreams doing fancy things, I spend it on understanding, learning and moving forward. Everything of the 'beyond dreaming' is strongly connected with waking reality.

We are living and we are experiencing life every day, of course there always will be imagination to create something new. But most of that something new is similar to what you've done before, there is no 'wow!' anymore. When you passed that point, it does not mean you cannot go back, its not a dead end. You can always spend one or two days or whatever amount of days needed and have as much fun as you want.

But the main idea, main goal is to do where I am now. I think a sense of need of transcendence and evolution comes naturally as the result of what we experience in lucid dreaming.

I am looking at waking and dreaming life as one experience with different set of consciousness, but still as a whole.

I think that 'running out of things to dream' has been a significant part of my experience. Boredom is part of what drives the quest for transcendence. My unusual and arguably creepy 'mind meld' experience comes out of that also, since injecting someone else's experience into my own expands who I am and gives me a richer imaginative well to draw on. Even that fails at some point though, if what I'm seeking is outside of everyone else's experience also, or if it can only be earned with time and not copied from other people.

Part of the reason I run out of new experiences is I tend to generalize and recognize large classes of experience as being essentially the same thing in different forms. Once I've read a few dramas, for example, there's usually not much for me in reading more.

One way to take the original post, maybe, is the dreaming capability of the person gets invested or integrated with their waking life. This has happened to me to a fair degree I think. My 'spiritual' difficulties are clearly reflected in my struggles with other people and with my job. How can I teach my children honesty and compassion? I try to bully them into it, which doesn't really work. If I can resolve that problem, I resolve my philosophical problems also. And the dream muse is the same fate that feeds me experiences to work with.

After having done everything I wanted I would study and walk around my world that I control and marvel at the fact that I have a world that I control. I would not do anything impossible. I'd look at the world that I can control and just sit in awe.

Story of The Akashic Records