Thread: Geometric Night Terrors @ Fever Dreams

Wow. Just discovered this topic.

I actually didn't remember having any such dreams, until about halfway down the first page. Then I started getting these creepy flashbacks. The freaking SLOWNESS came back to me first. Then the round object. I don't remember platonic solids, but there was something round. A wheel, sphere, circle, something. I think it was on a background of graph paper. It was enormous. Absolutely huge. And it was moving so slow, with deafeningly loud complete silence in the background. It made me feel like puking my guts out forever without stopping. It felt like it signified eternity because of its slowness. If I push, I can bring back little flashbacks of the slowness at will, but I don't like to because with it come flashbacks of the horror I felt during the dream. I'm pretty glad I managed to repress this one.

Also, the feeling of contrast that someone else mentioned. Like there was something that was infinitely big. As in, it was everything. Literally infinite. But then something that was the opposite. Infinitely small. Nothing, yet still there. Same feeling of horror.

The feeling of being tiny inside the room is something I can cause at will. I close my eyes and focus on the exact center of the blackness I see. It's kind of like shifting into a state of mind. Eventually, even when my eyes are closed, it just feels like every wall, corner, object in the room is so far away because the room is gargantuan, and I feel tiny. The feeling and experience used to really bother me, especially at night, but I learned to control it, turn it on and off at will. Needless to say, I keep it off.

Somebody mentioned this:
...it was the color green sweeping from my feet and stopping at my stomach, of which my stomach hurt terrible after the color green settled in...

This reminded me of a bad experience I had when I was very young. I could swear I was awake before it happened, and I know I was awake after it happened. I just saw a black silhouette of myself walking down the stairs in my house to the basement. The color green started at my feet and traveled up to my stomach, then sunk into it and disappeared, just as whoever said that described. At that point I felt a sickening fear and terror. Then I sort of "woke up" from the whole thing, still scared.

I really should take some picture of the monster goosebumps I get from reading your guys description of those dreams.

I probably shouldn't have read this right before bed. Maybe I will have something interesting to write about afterwards though... hope I don't get one of these.

Well, though it was nearly a month ago, I remember the night I had after reading this. While nothing weird happened IN sleep, I kept seeing the..... the shape made up of 8 triangles? I know it was all in my head, but everywhere I looked, I would see one big one, or a couple small ones. This thread seems to have died.

I just had one of these last night...To me it was like a loss of reality, i didnt know if i was awake, or asleep, and felt like i was just floating. But images of certain places kept popping into my head , like i was floating around that area...I cant relate to the shapes and images, but i found it creepy enough to google it.

I just read the whole tread, since the start in 2006.. Cool that it's still going

It amazes me everything what you are describing. A dream that in no way makes sence, opposite a "normal" dream, where you can relate to something in the subconsciousness (or at least often to some kind of experience). This makes it even more exiting and interesting!

I think i had the same experience as witch you are describing. When i was about 8 i occationally had these dreams. Especially when i was sick from fever, but as well in a stressed period of my childhood, though i don't know if that in some way is related to it. But i've been open for the possibility, since it dissapeared when things settled. The dream came almost every second day for a while, and i knew when it would come, before i fell asleep. This when everything in the room seemed so distant, and small, far away.. And when i fell asleep there was this image, that didn't make any sence whatsoever, with colours, shapes.. moving fast and slow, mixing in different ways.. that was really horrifying. And when i woke up, i was still totally "out", and afraid, again with this sense of thing beeing small and distant, before i returned to reality.

I was searching the internet for this thingy but couldn't find much about it. It's so interesting i think!, and so good that you are making so much research Cusp It would be so cool to find out more about this.. Though it's probably just our complex brain that's kidding with us..

I was reading The Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy series, and I noticed something similar to this. They have a torture device called the total perspective machine (or something like that). It basically shows you a picture of yourself, and then zooms out until you can see the entire universe, and then shows you as a single dot. The human mind apparently cannot comprehend this much space, so (in the book) it causes permanent damage to most people.

I used to have similar dreams as a kid.

I remember being infront of an enormous, spherical object.
It was tremendously huge, perhaps infinite.
This object moved towards me extremely slow.
Their was extreme gravity pulling me towards the object, but I never reached it.

And at the same time this extreme gravity was compressing me into something tiny. Something infinitely tiny!
I remember the object as being the definition of the word "perfect".

Have you ever seen that Green material called Oasis in the bottom of some flowerpots?
When you press it your finger sinks down into the material a bit, along with a cracking noise.The feeling of pressing that green material was constant through thewhole dream.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/TShirleyTan/SI3...JPG?imgmax=512


Here is a picture i made.
This is what it looked like. I am the tiny black dot.
http://upload.snelhest.org/images/090731Untitled-32.jpg

I've also had a terrifying experience that was abstract, but instead of platonic solids I was shown a fractal zoom of everything. It started in a room, that was plain enough, and then I was picked up and floated away through the ceiling to see a series of rooms, which became a series of a series of rooms, which became a block of a series of rooms, and it just kept zooming from there. I eventually chickened out when the complexity became unthinkable and woke myself up.

i have just joined because of reading these posts. I had these dreams when i was younger - last time was when i was 18. The descriptions I've read here are freakily familiar - i used to be in this black void where i had no sense of who i was but knew somehow that there was some great big thing that needed to be done but it was like counting infinity or something - i would see (i think...more like sense, or be aware of) a long long fence that i had to count all the posts in, or some other impossibly large or intangible thing. The most frightening thing was waking up i would feel like i wasnt entirely back in my body and i would have to get my mum to talk to me back into reality. It was so so so scary and sometimes if i made myself concentrate on something small, like a coin, i could bring on that feeling/out of reality sensation at will. I dont have it any more but have always wanted to know what it was. I have been told that it is something to do with 'going into the Void' but never found anything out about this. But so reassuring to read all these posts, thanks x

wow. this thread is old, and i guess i have something to contribute to the thread aswell altho im not sure if its entirely the same as what has been described here,
maybe about last year, i had a bad flu, and i was feeling sick, and i was laying in my bed in my room with all the curtains and everything closed, almost complete darkness, and i was trying to sleep, but the room felt like it was increasing by degrees every 30 seconds, and as i closed my eyes i say a kind of wheel hoop like shape , except, it was jagged and brightly colored almost like a ring, but i dont remember any sound, but the feeling was there, like my upper abdomen being bloated, and i opened my eyes to make it stop, and it did, but as soon as i closed them it started again, not to mention the head ache., i also remember being restless, i dont think this is very similar to what other people are explaining but ithought i'd add it anyway

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http://www.mandalaproject.org/What/Index.html

Check the above site, or do a google search on "mandala", and see if that is what your geometric shapes are. They are common to many religions.

As for the sound, the Bible terms it the sound of "many waters."

It is the God/dess, Holy Spirit, Great Spirit who touches us with Hir Presence.

I never consider these dreams as nightmares, they don't scare me. But I imagine if one felt out of step with the Divine, they might!

You might also want to research a Kundalini opening. Or the Baptism in the Holy Spirit.

I get a beautiful mandala that comes whenever I do self-Reiki, which I combine with meditation, which looks like a sunflower with a purple center and golden petals, but it's pulsating energy and light, not still, and it comes about a half hour into a Reiki session. Sometimes, when I'm exhausted and fall into bed, too tired to lay on my back (I sleep on my stomach) and to move my hands to different positions for Reiki, the pattern comes anyway, and I know that I'm being sent Reiki from someone else. It's always very healing, and I just relax off into sleep.

Other times, I've seen multi-leveled ones even. One night I saw one that was like looking at multiple levels of bright red and orange fires burning between sheets of glass, that went down, down, down, so deep. A night or two later was one of multiple levels of moving water, with patterns like silk brocade, all this silky swirling blue that went down, down, down, so deep. Fire and water together symbolically beget life. They were beautiful and are cherished.

Another time, I don't know what was going on with me, but I felt myself at the center of a square that was pulsing inward with multicolored light, and I heard and saw the word "Restrict." The voice that spoke the word was like many waters. I think I had at the time been trying to learn too many new things at once, and was exhausted, and this pattern somehow got me to be still and focus and just process without taking in anything new for awhile. It was my intake of new information that needed to be restricted for awhile.

These are healing dreams, dreams of connection with the Divine Spirit. Don't be afraid! It's part of awakening.

I get the same feeling when i dream and have a high fever.It feels like i ve being dreaming/hallucinating forever... I get a feeling similar like tinitus in my ears, and i can see faint geometric shapes made of whitish yellowish light.Its too hard to fight against this and i just endure it.After what it seems an eternity i wake up and feeling very disoriented check my face in the mirror and my pupils are dilated.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

slimslowslider, the first dreams you describe with the shapes in the sky doesnt really sound like my platonic solid dream. ALthough I have also dreamt of somthing similar, silver flaming runes or glyphs floating across the sky.

Theres no reason to expect such experiences to be identical.
Similar, but not identical.

Originally Posted by moonshine

Theres no reason to expect such experiences to be identical.
Similar, but not identical.

There are reasons to expect them to be similar? And what might those be? Cuz I can't come up with anything.

I have never experienced geometric shapes in dreams. The most abstract experience I had was when I met Morpheus in a dream, and at one point I was in vast white nothingness. There was white, but no floor, ceiling, fog, objects, or anything. I did not even have a dream body. It scared me for a second, but I was lucid. I still had to zoom out to third person to see what I looked like. All I could see of myself was my soul, a very faint flame.

I have had fever dreams where I lost all propioception (sense of of physical self). When this happens, the line between waking and dreaming becomes blurred. I would feel as big as a city block, then as tiny as a mouse. It was bewildering. There were also bright colors in the darkness. I would often feel like my body was part of the setting I was dreaming. I would feel like my body was the buildings I was dreaming about.

I used to have slow nightmares, also. This is how they happened.

1) As a child, I would have nightmares, become lucid, but I did not know I could change the dream, and sometimes it would take a long time for me to wake up.

2) If I forced myself to wake up as quickly as I could, I would often be in sleep paralysis. I thought sleep paralysis was extreme tiredness. I would also experience "the dark presence in the room" which I interpeted to be demons.

3) This gave me a fear of sleep paralysis.

4) Because I would so often try and force myself awake from a nightmare, I would experience false awakenings. Sometimes, I didn't even know these were dreams until months or years later.

5) After the false awakening I would experience in my dream, "extreme tiredness", and an evil presence in the room. My extreme tiredness would be me being barely able to stay awake, and sleepiness washing over my body. I would be terrified of going back to sleep (though I was in a dream, and was at the opposite end of the lucid spectrum, totally convinced it was reality), and I would cry out for help or feel weak or whatever, and then I would fall asleep (in my dream.) I could only move super-slow, like wading through molasses.

Dreaming of abstract fascinates me, though, since I have never experienced anything quite like it.

Sorry, didn't read the entire topic so I don't know if it was already said.

Joe Rogan described his experience on DMT as pulsating geometric patterns. It is quite amazing how you could smoke DMT and experience something similar that would happen with a high fever.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

There are reasons to expect them to be similar? And what might those be? Cuz I can't come up with anything.

Psychologically and physiologically we all have an awful lot in common.

Given a similar set of circumstances you might expect to see similar reactions.

No need for supernatural explanations.

"I realized my whole life had just been a pleasant dream and now I was back in the real world..."

"Most of these dreams usually show me strange things about myself or the world, or something else entirely. An alien reality (though this "alien reality" always gives me Deja Vu)..."

"almost like I was who I was suppose to be in the dream, and who I am in reality is a hollow disguise of my true self."

"nothing there that you can relate to." (and yet the deja vu feeling)

"It could be simple fear of the unknown. But I've read several accounts of people interacting with what they call energies at a different frequency, that feels alien, sickening, and terrifying."
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These statements from this thread begin to describe what I experienced last night.

I was searching for words this morning, but couldn't find too many. Terrible, horrifying, etc., was all I could come up with. There was a powerful, ominous something, but terms like "evil spirit," "demon," "Satan," etc. don't quite cut it (even though I am Christian), due to how alien/foreign the whole thing seemed. Alien, yet familiar.

In these sort of dreams it really seems like the entities (if they can even be called that) have an objective reality. I still believe that they are probably only inside me, that it's "only a dream" so to speak, but it usually FEELS so substantial--more real than a lot of things that happen to me in waking life.

The actual event that transpired was very short, a few seconds, and on the surface seemingly relatively harmless. I won't try and describe it, it's too difficult, and anyway it's not nearly as important as what it felt like, and/or what the experience of the something was like... which pretty much has already been described. Terrifying, foreign yet familiar, powerful, showing me something about myself and/or reality that I wasn't aware of (and yet the deja vu)... and that's always a good thing, right? It was revealing truth to me... but no, last night it sure didn't feel like a good thing.

And the words still don't quite do it. Oh well. Keep trying. Next time I'll be more prepared. (At least slightly, right?)

Originally Posted by The Cusp

Time to make an official intro for this thread, as it didn't start off coherently after the split. I've named this type of dream the Timaes, after a play written by Plato

"The young Timaeus, stricken by fever, discovers the platonic solids and elementals in a fantastical journey."

The common elements for these type of dream are as follows:

-Occur with some frequency throughout early childhood, through natural dreaming or are fever induced. They usually come back briefly in your teens.

-Leave you terrified upon waking, and it still gives you goosebumps to this day just to think about it. Wake with cold sweats, much like a fever.

-There is a feeling of awfull SLOWNESS, which is just horrifing. Feels like you soul being ripped out, or just sheer insanity.

-There are gometric shapes present, possibly the platonic solids.





**SPLIT THREAD***
I've had several dreams that I can't describe, they are just too "alien".

Dreams where I'm aware of energy, moving, interacting with it or manipulating it. There is no up or down, no distance, yet it's still a coherent frame of existance. I think these ones stem from learning to remember dreams, and being able to latch on to that lingering feeling a dream leaves when you wake up, and follow it back to rember.

And other ones, i can't even begin to describe, there were shapes, I'm pretty sure they were the platonic solids. There was either a deafening vibrational noise or a thundering silence, and a feeling of movement, but so agonizingly slow. The slowness was awful, felt like your soul being ripped out.

I had a dream a long time ago while I was in my teens. I had a fever, so this was a fever dream. In the dream I was in my bed having trouble getting to sleep. I think in the dream I was also much younger than I was in reality. I sat up in my bed and there was a seemingly endless number of strange geometric shapes on the bed. I was certain that I would have to arrange them and stack them before I would be able to sleep. All of them. But there were so many. And it was so frustrating. As I kept stacking and they kept coming I got so frustrated that I had gotten to the point of tears and I just wanted the whole thing to be over. And since it was a fever dream it kept repeating when I fell asleep! Not a pleasent period of time.

I registered an account just so I can respond to this thread. These dreams all ring quite true with some experiences I had, and as a neuroscience student and a curious person I have always marveled at their strangeness, and the familiarity I've found when sharing fever dreams with a few people over the years.

Here's my time-space-eternity-infinite dreams of doom:

1. I'm in an ever-expanding void of flat floor with a dark reddish sky kind like the world from Tron or something like that. There are menacing sharp black almost humanoid shapes all over, tossing a red sphere back and forth. The sphere somehow represents big bad eternal stuff and it's going to get tossed to me and be the worst thing ever.

2. I'm on a sidewalk and there is a volcano that is infinitely big and represents all bigness ever. In contrast next to it is a dime there that is infinitely small. The contrast is somehow the worst thing ever and incredibly terrifying. Someone on the first page of this thread said something about two objects each super big and super small and this definitely is very similar to that.

3. I'm in a cliche arabian bazaar type place, and there are some numerical digits floating in midair, going up suuuuper fast basically representing the infinitely big number and of course, somehow being the worst thing ever.


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My theory is somehow the 'math/numbers & shapes/sizes' part of peoples' brains is particularly susceptible to fever dreams in young minds and gets overstimulated or something and manifests this in the crazy dreams described in this thread.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

Time to make an official intro for this thread, as it didn't start off coherently after the split. I've named this type of dream the Timaes, after a play written by Plato

"The young Timaeus, stricken by fever, discovers the platonic solids and elementals in a fantastical journey."

The common elements for these type of dream are as follows:

-Occur with some frequency throughout early childhood, through natural dreaming or are fever induced. They usually come back briefly in your teens.

-Leave you terrified upon waking, and it still gives you goosebumps to this day just to think about it. Wake with cold sweats, much like a fever.

-There is a feeling of awfull SLOWNESS, which is just horrifing. Feels like you soul being ripped out, or just sheer insanity.

-There are gometric shapes present, possibly the platonic solids.





**SPLIT THREAD***
I've had several dreams that I can't describe, they are just too "alien".

Dreams where I'm aware of energy, moving, interacting with it or manipulating it. There is no up or down, no distance, yet it's still a coherent frame of existance. I think these ones stem from learning to remember dreams, and being able to latch on to that lingering feeling a dream leaves when you wake up, and follow it back to rember.

And other ones, i can't even begin to describe, there were shapes, I'm pretty sure they were the platonic solids. There was either a deafening vibrational noise or a thundering silence, and a feeling of movement, but so agonizingly slow. The slowness was awful, felt like your soul being ripped out.

Hello 'the cusp' I registered so I could respond to this thread, which i found through google searches and surfing around.

I most definitely have had these sort of terrifying dreams that you are describing although I cannot recall if they corresponded with times of sickness or fever. In fact I am sure that I experienced these dreams without being sick. And it went further into my life than my teens. I definitely experienced these dreams into my 20's, for the record I am now 39.

I know how this dream works, although nothing we write can properly describe it. There are shapes, sort of like platonic solids, and in my dream it is as if I am 'floating' in a massive void, usually this void is black although in the dream that is not obvious to me given the energy and 'noise' and chilling sense of terror that you describe is overwhelming.

Everything moves so agonisingly slow. And there is a sense of massive and tiny. Sometimes the void has white dots that seem to move/rotate on an axis...everything is agonisingly, that sense of terror at the slowness and 'noise' and 'rotation'. It's so hard to describe.

If I tried to descibe a real situation where we may experience a similar terror, then I would describe it like this: if we were to be transported to a place infinitely far in distance from Earth just floating in outer space, no space suit on, no need for oxygen, beyond the furtherest galaxies and beyond the boundaries of the universe, in the massive void, there is no life around you and you will never die but instead float in this void forever and never be able to go home again and you are powerless to do anything about it, you cannot be rescued, nothing exists but your terror and isolation, and you can only see distant shapes and lights that are goodness know - trillions of light years away? dont know if thats the right description but anyway - everything is trillions of light years away from you and not a single speak of anything resembling matter is near you - to really be put into that situation would be on the way to the sort of terror I experience in this dream.

I used to think I had these dreams because I had a shit upbringing. You know the whole irresponsible parents thing, no feeling of family, or being loved, or sense of belonging, security, instead I was always left alone or beaten or just put through awful situation that no kid should go through (although not molested thank god). I also got bullied at school and I thought all these things contributed to me having these (and many other types of) night terrors. In fact I only became conscious that I wasnt having these dreams any more when I met my soulmate and settled down, discovered happiness and contentment, and started a family of my own.

I wonder how all this relates to your experiences 'the cusp'. Anything I have written sound familiar? By the way thank you very much for starting this thread 3 years ago.

Originally Posted by Domenic

I wonder how all this relates to your experiences 'the cusp'. Anything I have written sound familiar? By the way thank you very much for starting this thread 3 years ago.

The overall description you gave was excellent. But I never really felt victimized from bullying or think that my parents had anything to do with those dreams. Also I never thought as myself as being sick after those dreams, but the physical symptoms of my fear could certainly be considered feverish.

I actually think every single person has those kinds of dreams at least once in their their lives. I think for most it's just too difficult to remember or put into context, and they gladly forget about it. Sounds like you got them a lot, so it's no wonder you can't forget about them. I'm keeping an eye on my niece, waiting for her to get old enough to start having those dreams.

This is such a weird thread. People keep posting in it every couple of months like clockwork.

Thanks for such a great topic. As with many others, I had these dreams throughout my childhood and want to share them. I called them 'Cold Grey Fear'

Mine are strikingly simmilar to a lot of peoples here.

When I was really young - like 5 or 6, during fever, my dreams had the image of a black background with a faint light blue grid on it (like a negative image of graph paper) with a red line - sort of like a laser going right through the darkness, but it was 2d.. The red line was slowly purring as if massive energy was going through it. The laser would flicker occasionally, as if its power was being interrupted from some distant source, and its at these moments when i got the first fliker of the Cold Grey Fear.
Suddenly the laser would just go like a zig zag all over the place and make a pattern like a crazy ball of string all knotted and tied up. At this point the level of fear can only be described as cataclysmic.
That nightmare happened more than a few times, and burned itself into my head.

When I grew a bit older, early teens, the dreams (always when feverish) became more rooted in reality..

I remember one particular afternoon, I had been down with the flu, and stuck in bed all day. It was broad daylight and the sun was shining. I had a terrible feeling of being shrunk down to the size of an atom, sitting on the end of my nose. Even if I looked around the room, the walls, the furniture, even my hands seemed to be millions of miles away, and infinatly large, and I was infinatly small. The noise was unbearable, and the best description of the feeling was from someone on this thread who described it as the feeling of pressing your thumb into that cracky foam in a seed tray. As usual, I would wake up in a different room, being calmed down by my parents.

There is always the feeling of "Now I remember" just before it starts. And after its gone, the feeling of relief is massive.

Once I had a vision of a massive massive massive cube on top of a hillside. I can best describe it as the borg ship from startrek, but made out of shanty rusty creaking cogs and wheels. The whole thing was just creaking away and somehow i knew it was the inner workings of everything. Something happened, i dont remember what, but i think a cog came out, and suddenly it stopped, and it was my fault, end of time, end of everything etc. I felt what can only be described as the weight of total responsibility, and having screwed everything up. EVERYTHING. I was litterally running laps around my poor mum as she tried to calm me down, and slowly but surely reality took over and i had a glass of juice and i was fine again!

Numbers came up once (the only time i had one in my 20's) the number 74 had gone, and the number 76 had slotted into its place. - it made horrific sense at the time. the whole fabric of the universe tore up around me, and bang, i woke up screaming, and my housemate came running in thinking i was being murdered.

Anyway, sorry for such a long post. I think i have had about 10-15 of these dreams in my life. My folks called them Night Terrors. My cousin had them so bad, that he had to be hypnotised to get rid of them, but that was years ago.

Sweet Dreams Everyone, Dont let the Cold Grey Fear bite!

I remember my younger cousin in city had them alot; it wasn't until he began coming to see me in the country that he was first able to spend nights away from home.

I've had similar phenomenon as a child, sometimes while waking up from sleepwalking, and once with a fever of 108. The geometric aspect never was overly present until just recently when something alike happened to me while awake. I was only 2 houses down my street from home; I and two friends were in a bathroom smoking bucket's of tobacco and weed. I blew smoke out the window and leaned against to wall making eye contact with myself in the mirror. Slowly the world faded away in a manner that makes me think of what it is like to faint. I had been meditating with great concentration on very personal topics and I am sure that was the trigger as I have used these substances many times and am familiar enough. What set this apart from other times is that I stayed lucid as it happened, I remembered were my body was and decided not to collapse (all human perception had vanished). My friends were talking; and I could understand, yet there was no sensation of receiving sound. I could only see my surroundings with the kind of vision Neo had in the matrix after his ascension; pure information. I watched the same colours I see when I close my eyes ATM in conjuction with notions of things like infinit/e/smal time spans and distances I distinctly remember seeing almost organic mandala's and even a fibonnaci spiral. Slowly humanity returned as we moved into the next room, It was the meaning of his words when he asked us to come that triggered me to return. I sat on a bed and he pulled out a base guitar and began soloing. My mind was spilling out intricate freestyle verses until he stopped at which time there was a very strong drilling sensation in my crown chakra, ending the whole scenario.

At the time I had been researching the solids; did you know that a teterahedron resting in a sphere with one vertice considered "up", will have the other 3 @ 19.47 degrees below the equator? This is were hawaii is found on earth (I also think that synchronising a geodisic dome to the great pyramid will have many vertice at well known sacred sites, but you might have to check that out). Whatever occured in Roswell happened in 1947, and the pathfinder mission to mars landed there as well, red eye of jupiter, olympus mons, wizards eye. Even the maximum solar flare output.

I saw mars moving across the sky last saturday in my friends telescope