Chat log - Saturday - 21st of may 2011
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[15:23:34] <dreambird> heya
[15:23:35] <dreambird> 
[15:23:44] <noctemconartist> Hey
[15:23:46] <Beans> 
[15:23:50] <Beans> so this is a ... LD class?
[15:23:53] <dreambird> yeah
[15:23:53] <noctemconartist> yerp
[15:23:59] <Beans> i see 
[15:24:02] <lucidmax15895> hydronic?
[15:24:04] <dreambird> i need some coffee real fast
[15:24:04] <Beans> always open to learning something new
[15:24:05] <dreambird> brb 2 secs
[15:24:08] <@celestialelixir> whats LD stand for
[15:24:10] <lucidmax15895> okay
[15:24:14] <Beans> lucid dream >.>
[15:24:17] <noctemconartist> lol
[15:24:23] <lucidmax15895> ahem ahem
[15:24:25] <lucidmax15895> starting now
[15:24:30] <noctemconartist> kk
[15:24:40] <lucidmax15895> Hello and welcome students, to my Advanced LDing class
[15:24:47] <lucidmax15895> I will begin with introductions
[15:24:58] <Beans>
[15:25:01] <lucidmax15895> I am lucidmax, but you can call me Max.
[15:25:04] <noctemconartist> You are lucid max, a 15 year old natural LDer
[15:25:09] <Beans> onegaishimasu, sensei :]
[15:25:11] <lucidmax15895> ^Well said.
[15:25:13] <noctemconartist> took a quick skim over your intro
[15:25:22] <lucidmax15895> xD
[15:25:26] <noctemconartist> 
[15:25:31] <lucidmax15895> So, introduce yourselves.
[15:25:34] <lucidmax15895> That's an order.
[15:25:44] <lucidmax15895> xD
[15:25:47] <@celestialelixir> 18/male/north carolina. no LDs but eagerly learning
[15:25:55] <noctemconartist> I'm Alex, the cooler alex in the chat, that doesn't stalk and lurk around and change people's names
[15:26:07] <noctemconartist> 17/f/Taiwan
[15:26:08] <Beans> 18/female/indiana - LD occasionally, when i dont try
[15:26:14] <Beans> lol noc
[15:26:15] <@celestialelixir> hi alex!
[15:26:18] <noctemconartist> 19 LDs on count...
[15:26:19] <@celestialelixir> my name is graham btw
[15:26:25] <lucidmax15895> Hi alex and graham
[15:26:30] <lucidmax15895> I'll call you belle
[15:26:50] <lucidmax15895> My name is Musaddiq, but you won't be able to pronounce it
[15:26:52] <lucidmax15895>
[15:26:55] <Beans> ooh, my names Beans
[15:26:57] <noctemconartist> cool where ya from
[15:27:00] <Beans> forgot to mention <.<
[15:27:09] <lucidmax15895> Saudi Arabia lol, look at my profile?
[15:27:16] <noctemconartist> nah im laji
[15:27:21] <lucidmax15895> Originally Pakistani, though.
[15:27:32] <@celestialelixir> can i just call you max
[15:27:32] <lucidmax15895> Anyways
[15:27:33] <@celestialelixir> we*
[15:27:35] <lucidmax15895> Sure
[15:27:37] <@celestialelixir> k
[15:27:43] <lucidmax15895> Anyways
[15:27:49] <lucidmax15895> What is LDing?
[15:27:53] <lucidmax15895> Anyone wanna answer?
[15:28:01] <@celestialelixir> being aware while dreaming
[15:28:02] <noctemconartist> well it's knowing that youre dreaming
[15:28:06] <@celestialelixir> knowing you're dreaming
[15:28:08] <lucidmax15895> Perfect reply
[15:28:09] <@celestialelixir> etc
[15:28:31] <lucidmax15895> Yes, it's the awareness in a dream that what you re experience is, in fact, just a dream
[15:28:44] <dreambird> back
[15:28:50] <lucidmax15895> This awareness allows us to explore and control our dreams in hitherto unknown ways
[15:28:53] <lucidmax15895> Welcome back
[15:28:54] <lucidmax15895> join in.
[15:29:09] <lucidmax15895> Now, what are your experiences with LDing so far?
[15:29:17] <dreambird> soon 19 / m / Denmark - LD count is on 15ish
[15:29:33] <noctemconartist> well... I have had many kinds
[15:29:40] <lucidmax15895> Such as?
[15:29:44] <noctemconartist> let me leaf through my dream diary
[15:29:46] <noctemconartist> or just from memory
[15:29:53] <noctemconartist> well i've flown
[15:29:55] celestialelixir started attempting wild about 2 weeks ago with little to no knowledge... started ada/rc/dild like 5 days ago an have 0 Lds
[15:30:10] <lucidmax15895> Okay.
[15:30:17] <noctemconartist> i have had what can be considered sex
[15:30:39] <lucidmax15895> Now, I would like to talk a little about RCing
[15:30:41] <@celestialelixir> dry humping =/= sex ^^
[15:30:47] <dreambird> my non-lucid: Very random where my lucids is 90% of the cases FA's and WILD's with a FA aswell
[15:31:03] <lucidmax15895> As we all know, RCs, are tests that we can use to distinguish between reality.
[15:31:13] <noctemconartist> well chat was being shitty..
[15:31:25] <lucidmax15895> That is true. However, there is a common misconception.
[15:31:25] <lucidmax15895> Focus guys >>
[15:31:25] <noctemconartist> ive also done telekinesis btw, and changed colors of things
[15:32:00] <noctemconartist> ya
[15:32:01] <lucidmax15895> Most people tend to RC without any thought behind them.
[15:32:14] <lucidmax15895> Often, I myself will just look at my hand and dismiss it as reality.
[15:32:23] <lucidmax15895> But that is not a very reliable method.
[15:32:33] <Beans> lucid, i appreciate this but i know all of this stuff -- not to sound conceited
[15:32:34] <lucidmax15895> You see my friends, dreams can be deceptive.
[15:32:39] <Beans> but thank you.
[15:32:47] <Beans> bye :]
[15:32:50] <lucidmax15895> Wait till I fire mah LAZAH
[15:32:52] <lucidmax15895>
[15:32:54] <Beans> lol
[15:32:57] <dreambird> stop what you are doing - look around and observe - then do an reality check while you really ask youself "is this a dream?"
[15:32:58] <lucidmax15895> Okay
[15:33:03] <dreambird> that works quite well
[15:33:06] <lucidmax15895> Yes
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[15:33:12] <lucidmax15895> you have to QUESTION REALITY
[15:33:19] <dreambird> yeah
[15:33:28] <@celestialelixir> after awhile though, you may stop putting any thought behind it
[15:33:30] <@celestialelixir> we think
[15:33:34] <@celestialelixir> ofc this is reality
[15:33:46] <lucidmax15895> Dead on. Exactly my point
[15:33:51] <lucidmax15895> So what do we do?
[15:33:57] <lucidmax15895> We increase our overall awareness
[15:34:08] <noctemconartist> Yep. thats very effective for me
[15:34:09] <lucidmax15895> Try to be aware not only in dreams, but in real life as well.
[15:34:14] <dreambird> i usually do an RC when something odd happens
[15:34:21] <noctemconartist> no thats bad.
[15:34:36] <lucidmax15895> RC a lot, question your surroundings, present facts to distinguish reality and dreams.
[15:34:39] <noctemconartist> because you wont think anything is odd in a dream..
[15:34:43] <lucidmax15895> Dreambird, it's very unrealiable
[15:34:45] <lucidmax15895> exactly
[15:34:53] <noctemconartist> your logic center is very impaired in a dream
[15:35:00] <noctemconartist> speaking from my experience anyway
[15:35:02] <lucidmax15895> So you have to program your mind to RC periodically.
[15:35:22] <lucidmax15895> Yes, the art of turning on your logic center IS the art of LDing.
[15:35:26] <lucidmax15895> Example
[15:35:35] <lucidmax15895> RC everytime you enter a doorway
[15:35:37] <dreambird> so you are just doing RC's several times during the day ?
[15:35:40] <lucidmax15895> works like a charm
[15:35:50] <@celestialelixir> whoa
[15:35:54] <lucidmax15895> No, as I have explained, I increase my OVERALL AWARENESS.
[15:35:57] <@celestialelixir> thats way too much tbh
[15:36:04] <lucidmax15895> Yes, but you get used to it.
[15:36:21] <@celestialelixir> and youll forget
[15:36:21] <@celestialelixir> well
[15:36:21] <lucidmax15895> You don't need to actually RC
[15:36:21] <noctemconartist> hmm thats interesting
[15:36:21] <lucidmax15895> You just have to question reality.
[15:36:21] <noctemconartist> RC every time you enter a doorway
[15:36:22] <noctemconartist> i wil try
[15:36:25] <@celestialelixir> oh ok
[15:36:33] <lucidmax15895> Everyone got the point?
[15:36:34] <noctemconartist> i see doors perpetually in my dreams
[15:36:36] <dreambird> ya
[15:36:36] <@celestialelixir> yes
[15:36:37] <noctemconartist> ye
[15:36:41] <lucidmax15895> Okay
[15:36:49] <lucidmax15895> Skip to methods of LDing.
[15:37:03] <lucidmax15895> Do you all know all the common methods?
[15:37:06] <lucidmax15895> Count them to me.
[15:37:28] <@celestialelixir> mild/dild wild... plus variations?
[15:37:36] <noctemconartist> yeah... mild and wild
[15:37:37] <noctemconartist> deild
[15:37:38] <noctemconartist> eild
[15:37:39] <dreambird> ya
[15:37:42] <lucidmax15895> Yes.
[15:37:57] <lucidmax15895> I will be covering DILD.
[15:37:57] <@celestialelixir> most of em are very similar cept dild and wild
[15:37:58] <noctemconartist> i consider dild and mild to be the same thing.
[15:38:02] <@celestialelixir> cool
[15:38:06] <@celestialelixir> same, noc
[15:38:10] <lucidmax15895> DILD is the ROOT of LDing
[15:38:15] <lucidmax15895> it's the grandaddy of all methods
[15:38:19] <noctemconartist> yea
[15:38:28] <lucidmax15895> So, what is DILD?
[15:38:29] <lucidmax15895> Anyone?
[15:38:36] <@celestialelixir> dreqm induced
[15:38:46] <@celestialelixir> you realize you are dreaming within the dream
[15:38:49] <lucidmax15895> Yup
[15:39:04] <lucidmax15895> Now, what are the two common problems when you enter a DILD?
[15:39:35] <dreambird> no clue
[15:39:36] <lucidmax15895> One is control
[15:39:41] <lucidmax15895> the other is Clarity
[15:40:01] <noctemconartist> ok
[15:40:03] <lucidmax15895> You'll notice, especially in the earlier phases of LDing, that your dreams are very unstable AND unclear.
[15:40:12] <lucidmax15895> How to solve that?
[15:40:12] <noctemconartist> yeah...
[15:40:17] <@celestialelixir> that sucks
[15:40:18] <dreambird> stop what you are doing
[15:40:18] <noctemconartist> well i anchor
[15:40:19] <dreambird> and feel
[15:40:26] <dreambird> use your senses
[15:40:27] <noctemconartist> to solve the instability
[15:40:37] <noctemconartist> and i dont have problems with clarity
[15:40:38] <lucidmax15895> Yes, dreambird has the best answer
[15:40:48] <noctemconartist> anchor is pretty much that..
[15:40:50] <lucidmax15895> Well, that's good.
[15:40:51] <dreambird> and of course.. dont freak out
[15:41:03] <@celestialelixir> i probably will freak out haha
[15:41:06] <@celestialelixir> on my first
[15:41:07] <lucidmax15895> You should feel around, activate your senses.
[15:41:12] <lucidmax15895> xD
[15:41:17] <lucidmax15895> Don't freak out
[15:41:38] <lucidmax15895> Your LD will end in 2 seconds
[15:41:42] <lucidmax15895> that's what happened to me.
[15:41:45] <lucidmax15895> Just stay calm.
[15:41:46] <@celestialelixir> 
[15:41:49] <@celestialelixir> your first?
[15:41:50] <lucidmax15895> Collect your thoughts.
[15:41:55] <lucidmax15895> Yes, my first LD ever.
[15:41:59] <@celestialelixir> ooh
[15:42:03] <lucidmax15895> And focus.
[15:42:10] <dreambird> focus on details
[15:42:15] <lucidmax15895> Don't blink your eyes too much.
[15:42:25] <lucidmax15895> The real ones tend to open. >.<
[15:42:32] <noctemconartist> ah focus... details
[15:42:37] <noctemconartist> i'll try that
[15:42:41] <dreambird> yeah i did that this morning.. opening my eyes
[15:42:55] <lucidmax15895> Now, most people anchor, and then start doing crazy things.
[15:42:56] <dreambird> i was in the dream - opened my eyes IRL but only slightly
[15:43:04] <dreambird> but got into the dream again
[15:43:13] <lucidmax15895> Happens, bro.
[15:43:21] <lucidmax15895> What you have to do, is to let the dream settle
[15:43:29] <lucidmax15895> Let your mind form the dreamscapes.
[15:43:40] <lucidmax15895> Don't jump from one place to another.
[15:43:46] <lucidmax15895> If possible walk around slowly.
[15:44:12] <lucidmax15895> Now, does anyone have particular problems with a certain part of LDing or DILDs?
[15:44:23] <dreambird> well i do
[15:44:25] <dreambird> with WILD's
[15:44:42] <lucidmax15895> What do you have problems with?
[15:44:44] <dreambird> they always start out with me being in my bed
[15:44:51] <dreambird> as it starts as a FA
[15:44:59] <lucidmax15895> Yes, that tends to happen.
[15:45:02] <dreambird> of course it is cool enough
[15:45:04] <lucidmax15895> Is that a problem for you?
[15:45:12] <dreambird> but what if i want another dreamscape?
[15:45:17] <dreambird> like.. being at a beach
[15:45:32] <lucidmax15895> Well, you can open up a portal, use expectation method, etc.
[15:45:43] <lucidmax15895> However, if you want to start in a beach altogether
[15:45:55] <lucidmax15895> you can imagine your wanted dream scape during WILDing and enter it.
[15:46:12] <dreambird> usually my WILDs start out the same
[15:46:16] <lucidmax15895> Basically, you just start visualizing it during SP.
[15:46:23] <dreambird> i hear this noise and i get sucked
[15:46:28] <dreambird> into a black void
[15:46:34] <dreambird> while i feel my body spinning around
[15:46:44] <lucidmax15895> Wow, I am jealous.
[15:46:44] <lucidmax15895>
[15:46:45] <dreambird> and then im in my bed in the dream
[15:46:54] <lucidmax15895> I never feel ANYTHING while WILDing
[15:46:55] <dreambird> that is how it starts every time
[15:46:57] <lucidmax15895> just small tingling.
[15:47:07] <@celestialelixir> when i attempt wild im afraid ill getscare out of doing it again. and never even get to SP
[15:47:09] <dreambird> well i know when the WILD is comming
[15:47:17] <dreambird> i bet that could be usefull?
[15:47:23] <lucidmax15895> No
[15:47:27] <lucidmax15895> That is very annoying
[15:47:36] <lucidmax15895> You don't know whether you are doing it right or not.
[15:47:52] <lucidmax15895> Well, does anyone else have any problems with something?
[15:48:00] <lucidmax15895> I want to explore your weaknesses.
[15:48:04] <@celestialelixir> my body will go numb but i can still move it
[15:48:06] <lucidmax15895> So I can counter them. 
[15:48:14] <@celestialelixir> in wild
[15:48:18] <@celestialelixir> never hit sp
[15:48:23] <@celestialelixir> just get numb and stop
[15:48:33] <lucidmax15895> Hmm.. SP comes a little while after
[15:48:33] <@celestialelixir> furthest i got was using a binaural beat
[15:48:39] <lucidmax15895> you have to be patient.
[15:48:43] <@celestialelixir> 40 minutes? D:
[15:48:48] <lucidmax15895> Have you tried focusin gon something small
[15:48:50] <lucidmax15895> haha, yes
[15:48:51] <lucidmax15895> xD
[15:48:58] <lucidmax15895> be patient.
[15:49:05] <@celestialelixir> i was focusing on what i wanted to dream about
[15:49:08] <@celestialelixir> is that wrong
[15:49:14] <lucidmax15895> No, that is very right
[15:49:17] <@celestialelixir> should i focus on keepin my mind clear?
[15:49:18] <@celestialelixir> ok
[15:49:20] <lucidmax15895> But you tend to doze off
[15:49:23] <lucidmax15895> don;'t you?
[15:49:25] <@celestialelixir> swell
[15:49:27] <@celestialelixir> well
[15:49:29] <@celestialelixir> normally
[15:49:31] <@celestialelixir> yes
[15:49:33] <lucidmax15895>
[15:49:43] <lucidmax15895> That happens when your mind is allowed to roam freely.
[15:49:44] <@celestialelixir> with the beats, i couldnt stay focused though
[15:49:53] <lucidmax15895> You have to stay focused more.
[15:50:08] <lucidmax15895> I focus my thoughts on a single LED light from my laptop or AC.
[15:50:27] <lucidmax15895> I keep looking at it, and I hit SP. (or I think I do)
[15:50:36] <lucidmax15895> Then I get some faint imagery
[15:50:40] <@celestialelixir> ic
[15:50:46] <lucidmax15895> and am propelled sometime after into an FA.
[15:51:13] <@celestialelixir> i think ima stick to dild and ada practice
[15:51:16] <lucidmax15895> Is everyone listening?
[15:51:32] <@celestialelixir> si
[15:51:32] <dreambird> ya
[15:51:49] <lucidmax15895> Gotcha noctemconartist
[15:51:49] <lucidmax15895>
[15:51:57] <lucidmax15895> He fell asleep
[15:52:03] <noctemconartist> hmm for me
[15:52:21] <noctemconartist> i have progblems with wild because
[15:52:36] <noctemconartist> i get SP a lot
[15:52:40] <noctemconartist> but they're tactile SPs
[15:52:44] <noctemconartist> rarely visual or audio ones
[15:52:48] <lucidmax15895> hmm
[15:52:58] <noctemconartist> and i cant make it wrap me in a dream
[15:53:00] <noctemconartist> which is what it's supposed to be
[15:53:01] <noctemconartist> right
[15:53:18] <lucidmax15895> Yes
[15:53:25] <lucidmax15895> It's supposed to be htat.
[15:53:27] <noctemconartist> i have tov isulize it when im sp'ing
[15:53:27] <lucidmax15895> that.
[15:53:36] <lucidmax15895> Pretty much.
[15:53:45] <lucidmax15895> It's a queer feeling while WILDing
[15:53:55] <lucidmax15895> Basically, your body sleeps, while your mind is still awake.
[15:53:56] <noctemconartist> but my sp sensations include this imaginary thing sexually assaulting me
[15:53:58] <noctemconartist> among other things
[15:54:20] <lucidmax15895> LOL
[15:54:24] <noctemconartist> so do i just visualize when that happens
[15:54:37] <noctemconartist> yeah its funny but the first time i got it was pretty fucking scary
[15:54:43] <lucidmax15895> No, you have to TRANSITION between your real and dream bodies.
[15:54:53] <noctemconartist> hmmm
[15:54:58] <lucidmax15895> I feel you, brah
[15:55:03] <noctemconartist> sounds a bit abstract
[15:55:06] <lucidmax15895> Yes,
[15:55:09] <lucidmax15895> a bit
[15:55:13] <dreambird> first WILD transition is scary
[15:55:14] <noctemconartist> how? and is it good to focus on a sound
[15:55:22] <lucidmax15895> No, listen here.
[15:55:30] <lucidmax15895> Once you hit Sp
[15:55:32] <noctemconartist> ok
[15:55:44] <lucidmax15895> you have to start to detach from your real body
[15:55:49] <lucidmax15895> and enter your dream body
[15:55:53] <lucidmax15895> i know it's weird
[15:56:02] <lucidmax15895> but that's the best way to put my personal technique
[15:56:19] <lucidmax15895> You have to FEEL your dream body
[15:56:19] <lucidmax15895> Question is, you are in SP
[15:56:27] <lucidmax15895> so how DOES a dream body feel?
[15:56:45] <lucidmax15895> Well, ever replay something in your head, and almost feel it occuring again?
[15:56:53] <lucidmax15895> maybe a punch or a soft touch
[15:56:56] <lucidmax15895> maybe a kiss.
[15:56:59] <lucidmax15895> Notice
[15:57:09] <lucidmax15895> How you can almost replay that in your head later on
[15:57:16] <lucidmax15895> And feel the same sensations.
[15:57:18] <lucidmax15895> Almost.
[15:57:28] <lucidmax15895> THAT, my friends, is how a dream body feels.
[15:57:50] <lucidmax15895> You can imagine a new body inside your own body.
[15:57:54] <dreambird> that was very philosophical
[15:57:59] <lucidmax15895> And in that new body, sit up straight.
[15:58:00] <lucidmax15895> Yes,
[15:58:13] <lucidmax15895> but it triggers the right nerves, trust me
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[15:58:40] <lucidmax15895> So next time, you should try to move about in your dream body.
[15:58:49] <lucidmax15895> LOL he fell asleep.
[15:58:51] <@celestialelixir> hm
[15:58:59] <lucidmax15895> Now I know what my teacher feels like xD
[15:59:05] <dreambird> she proberly clicked a link again
[15:59:15] <lucidmax15895> she... >.<
[15:59:21] <lucidmax15895> I keep forgetting, sorry
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[15:59:38] <noctemconartist> well my fucking itnernet decided to ping me out
[15:59:46] <noctemconartist> so could you repeat that again in condensed form X(
[15:59:54] <noctemconartist> i saw "you have to start to detach from your real body"
[15:59:55] <lucidmax15895> haha
[15:59:55] <lucidmax15895> well
[16:00:01] <noctemconartist> but nothing else
[16:00:02] <lucidmax15895> OMG.
[16:00:05] <lucidmax15895> I will copy paste?
[16:00:08] <lucidmax15895> hold on
[16:00:09] <noctemconartist> sure
[16:00:15] <noctemconartist> srry
[16:00:25] <@celestialelixir> ^^
[16:00:27] <lucidmax15895> and enter your dream body 16:55 lucidmax15895 i know it's weird 16:55 lucidmax15895 but that's the best way to put my personal technique 16:55 lucidmax15895 You have to FEEL your dream body 16:55 lucidmax15895 Question is, you are in SP 16:55 lucidmax15895 so how DOES a dream body feel? 16:56 lucidmax15895 Well, ever replay something in your head, and almost
[16:00:34] <lucidmax15895> fail
[16:00:37] <lucidmax15895> limit to copy
[16:00:41] <lucidmax15895> -____
[16:00:41] <@celestialelixir> my eyes
[16:00:46] <lucidmax15895> haha
[16:00:50] <lucidmax15895> my eye^
[16:00:57] <lucidmax15895> Anyways, I will repeat
[16:01:06] <lucidmax15895> You have to move about, noc
[16:01:20] <lucidmax15895> While in SP, try to move without moving your real body
[16:01:31] <lucidmax15895> That should propel you to a WILD.
[16:01:46] <lucidmax15895> Now, I will continue to DEILD.
[16:02:09] <lucidmax15895> It's a small change to DILD, you just wake up after an REM cycle, and enter one again.
[16:02:10] <@celestialelixir> whats deild agaib
[16:02:17] <@celestialelixir> oh
[16:02:18] <lucidmax15895> Dream Exit Induced LD
[16:02:37] <lucidmax15895> You see, when you wake up from a dream, you go back to sleep, and dream again.
[16:02:45] <@celestialelixir> cool
[16:02:54] <lucidmax15895> That's a DEILD. It's a very basic method, not much to explain.
[16:02:58] <noctemconartist> i see
[16:02:59] <@celestialelixir> so mix of dild and wild?
[16:03:09] <noctemconartist> i know lots about deilds
[16:03:15] <noctemconartist>
[16:03:15] <lucidmax15895> From a far fetched view, yes.
[16:03:23] <lucidmax15895> I am glad you do ^^
[16:03:24] <noctemconartist> no its not dild+wild
[16:03:25] <noctemconartist> its more wild
[16:03:36] <lucidmax15895> True
[16:03:38] <noctemconartist> except after a dream
[16:03:46] <@celestialelixir> sorry im in the shower rn so hard to type haha
[16:03:53] <lucidmax15895> O.o
[16:03:55] <noctemconartist> but thanks a lot about clarifying the wild thing
[16:03:58] <@celestialelixir> water + touch screen
[16:04:02] <@celestialelixir> so
[16:04:02] <lucidmax15895> sure no problem
[16:04:03] <lucidmax15895> DUDE
[16:04:08] <noctemconartist> what were you going to say
[16:04:08] <lucidmax15895> ..
[16:04:09] <@celestialelixir> how do you deild?
[16:04:11] <dreambird> you have a dream --> you wake up but dont move your body --> close eyes again and re-enter the dream
[16:04:18] <lucidmax15895> ^Thanks
[16:04:19] <lucidmax15895>
[16:04:22] <noctemconartist> no...
[16:04:25] <noctemconartist> you dont open your eyes
[16:04:27] <lucidmax15895> He summed it up perfectly
[16:04:33] <@celestialelixir> ah
[16:04:33] <lucidmax15895> You can open your eyes
[16:04:42] <lucidmax15895> But don't wake up too much
[16:04:45] <@celestialelixir> how does that make you lucid though
[16:04:47] <lucidmax15895> keep yourself in semi SP.
[16:04:48] <dreambird> as long as you dont move
[16:04:55] <lucidmax15895> Well it's basically a boost to a WILD
[16:05:01] <lucidmax15895> Like a fast forward button
[16:05:05] <@celestialelixir> cool
[16:05:09] <lucidmax15895> You are already in SP, no lying down required.
[16:05:24] <lucidmax15895> Well, I will continue to MILD.
[16:05:31] <lucidmax15895> Anyone have doubts or problems?
[16:05:32] <@celestialelixir> you cant set an alarm to do this though?
[16:05:38] <@celestialelixir> since you cant move
[16:05:43] <lucidmax15895> Well, you can and you cant.
[16:05:46] <@celestialelixir> to turn it off
[16:05:54] <lucidmax15895> Depends on REM cycles, they are generally not predicatable
[16:05:59] <@celestialelixir> oh
[16:06:04] <lucidmax15895> So alarms can disrupt a good dream
[16:06:10] <@celestialelixir> well
[16:06:16] <lucidmax15895> However, you CAN move to turn off an alarm
[16:06:20] <@celestialelixir> iphone has an app to predict em
[16:06:20] <lucidmax15895> If it's beside you
[16:06:27] <@celestialelixir> based on how much you move in sleep
[16:06:28] <noctemconartist> wait i have another problem./..
[16:06:39] <lucidmax15895> I am one of the cool people with a Samsung :OP
[16:06:40] <noctemconartist> only chat is being so fuckedup
[16:06:49] <lucidmax15895> what is that?
[16:06:51] <@celestialelixir> go ahead, noc
[16:07:13] <noctemconartist> its lagging like hell
[16:07:13] <noctemconartist> i can barely type without being lagged
[16:07:20] <noctemconartist> okay so you said about the dream body
[16:07:27] <noctemconartist> and about how when you replay smoething in your head
[16:07:35] <lucidmax15895> Yes?
[16:07:35] <noctemconartist> and you didnt finish the sentence
[16:07:43] <lucidmax15895> What sentence?
[16:07:51] <noctemconartist> what does a dream body feel like
[16:08:01] <lucidmax15895> It feels like that.
[16:08:08] <lucidmax15895> A replay of your real body
[16:08:15] <noctemconartist> ahhhhh
[16:08:30] <noctemconartist> is it better to focus by counting
[16:08:32] <noctemconartist> because that never works for me
[16:08:36] <noctemconartist> or by looking at something
[16:08:50] <lucidmax15895> Personally, I think it's better to focus by looking at something
[16:08:56] <lucidmax15895> Harder to fall asleep.
[16:09:00] <@celestialelixir> wait
[16:09:01] <noctemconartist> does it matter that ur eyes are open
[16:09:09] <@celestialelixir> you keep your eyes open for wild???
[16:09:31] <lucidmax15895> Well
[16:09:35] <lucidmax15895> yes, and no.
[16:09:37] <lucidmax15895> Wait brb
[16:09:42] <@celestialelixir> o.o
[16:09:46] <@celestialelixir> k
[16:09:56] <noctemconartist> btw celest...
[16:11:17] <noctemconartist> the way i deild is i wake up and dont open my eyes
[16:11:18] <noctemconartist> stay still and get sucked back into a dream
[16:11:19] <noctemconartist> but i guess according to max you can open your eyes
[16:12:03] <dreambird> just not for long
[16:13:34] <noctemconartist> yep..
[16:13:43] <noctemconartist> short enough to remain in sp
[16:13:50] <noctemconartist> important thing is not to move one damn inch
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[16:18:29] <celestialelixir> hi
[16:18:35] <celestialelixir> sorry, ran outta battery
[16:18:37] <celestialelixir> whatd i miss
[16:19:02] <noctemconartist> hmm nothing much
[16:19:03] <noctemconartist> except
[16:19:11] <noctemconartist> max left :S
[16:19:17] <celestialelixir> lol
[16:19:36] <celestialelixir> last thing i saw was "btw celest"
[16:19:38] <celestialelixir> what were you gonna say?
[16:19:44] <noctemconartist> oh
[16:19:45] <noctemconartist> ok
[16:19:48] <noctemconartist> i said
[16:19:58] <noctemconartist> the way i deild is i wake up and dont open my eyes
[16:20:07] <noctemconartist> i stay still, then i get sucked back into a dream
[16:20:15] <noctemconartist> but according to max, you can open your eyes
[16:20:19] dreambird [[email protected]] is now known as dreambird|BRB
[16:20:21] <noctemconartist> just not for long
[16:20:23] <celestialelixir> ooh
[16:20:27] <noctemconartist> short enough to remain in sp
[16:20:32] <noctemconartist> thats how deild is effective
[16:20:36] <noctemconartist> because after a non-lucid dream
[16:20:41] <noctemconartist> you are still in sp
[16:20:42] <celestialelixir> do you use an alarm or just wake up naturally
[16:20:43] <noctemconartist> sleeping
[16:20:47] dreambird|BRB [[email protected]] is now known as dreambird
[16:20:52] <noctemconartist> u mean for deild?
[16:20:55] <celestialelixir> yeah
[16:20:58] <noctemconartist> no, you gotta wake up naturally
[16:21:04] <celestialelixir> oh ok
[16:21:08] <noctemconartist> you wake when the dream ends right
[16:21:36] <celestialelixir> im not normally thinking to deild if i wake up in the night though
[16:21:40] <celestialelixir> my first instict is to fall back asleep
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[16:24:16] <dreambird> wb
[16:24:18] <lucidmax15895> sorru
[16:24:26] <lucidmax15895> can you post all chat log on DV?
[16:24:28] <lucidmax15895> plz?
[16:24:33] <noctemconartist> ok dreambird do that
[16:24:40] <noctemconartist> as i have disconnected once
[16:24:42] <dreambird> ill try
[16:24:59] <lucidmax15895> the chat log thread is in my forum
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