Thread: erm.. coffin for one please.

World not good enough for me.

I'm too awesome to die, really.

It's the "Emo" generation that's all.

No but seriously some teens just have to put up with so much shit that it's utterly ridiculous. Others are simply stupid. Some think it's the only way out. Others are simply done with life. Others think it's the easy way out. The list goes on and on and on.

To each their own as they say.

agreed. there are so many problems, especially with rejection and/or parents. i personally had to deal with a bunch of crap that was dumb, and i won't lie, i thought about suicide. i didn't do it cuz i realized i have much to live for, but alot of people don't...unfortunately...

I while ago, the thoughts of suicide crossed my mind. But I had never seriously considered it. Now, my way of looking at things has changed a lot. We're all going to die eventually, and I'm in no rush to find out what happens then. There's so much to do while alive, and nearly anything can be accomplished with some good old fashioned hard work. I have so much I want to do, that suicide to me would be throwing everything away. In life there are a lot of difficult times, but from these experiences, we learn a lot, and come through the other side as better people. I try to look at the bad things as learning experiences, and ways to improve upon myself, rather than get discouraged that something bad happened to me. Although at the time, it is easy to be like, "oh son of a b!tch" and fret about things. Remembering to look back and take some lesson away from those times makes them more useful memories and less plain bad memories.

it's not surprising that a portion of the audience interested in lucid dreaming are doing it specifically to escape reality.

and...

the road to proficient lucid dreaming isn't a perfect one. there are going to be disappointments, so those escapists I mentioned might feel a sense of helplessness when they believe they're stuck in this world merely because they can't get lucid, thus being tempted with thoughts of suicide.

I see nothing wrong with suicide overall... it's your life, take it when you want.

However, I do see a lot wrong with people from my and my sister's generation killing themselves over completely asinine situations.

Life is like a movie, if you've sat through more than half of it and it's sucked the whole way chances are it's not gonna get better at the end and make the whole experience worthwhile. No one should blame you for walking out early.

That said, suicide should be a last resort after every kind of therapy, counseling, friends, family, sexual deviance, drugs or anything that could make life better has been exhausted.

Plus you need to take into account the people you would hurt by killing yourself.

But teenagers, shit.
Grow a pair.
Nothing's so bad that you won't bounce back from it in time.

They think their life is terrible, yet they have no idea how much worse it could be, or will be.

They get sad when their boyfriend/girlfriend breaks up with them, and they want to die.

Wait until they lose a job and can't pay for anything, or get married and have kids and get seperated, or something similar. I wonder what happens then? They become a suicide bomber, that's what!

I think what i found most concerning kind of relates to what you said nitsuj, They are so young, most of them are "suicidal" over their first brief relationship ending,They have much worse times to come, I do wonder if the individuals on here are just attention seeking, because ive always belived that if you genuinley wanted to do it you wouldnt tell anyone incase they stopped you.

Sure everyone got upset when they had their first taste of a relationship end, but in a few years time you will look back and laugh at yourself for being so needy, You know thats the truth or noone would ever be happy in later relationships, would always be pining for their first one.

Fuck the forecast, cause every day is sunny.

The thing that makes kids suicidal about small things is exactly the same thing that makes them so passionate too - they really get stuck into things.
ie. it's a pro and con about youth

When they feel that down, they really need to put things in perspective. No matter how bad things seem...

Message to would-be self-killers:

Think of the percentage of your natural lifespan that is left, versus how much you've lived. Then ask yourself this:

What's the chances that you've seen the prettiest sunrise? Your favourite pet of all time? The prettiest flower? Felt the best ever? Eaten the most truly awesome meal? Smelled the most amazing smell? ... and found that person that truly means the most to you?

That's right. All those things are still to come. Don't throw it all away because of something that will seem stupid later anyway (because it will seem like a really stupid idea later, no matter how you feel now ... when you experience the things that truly amaze you)

EDIT: This sounds like it has potential for a feel-good thread of it's own actually. If you're curious, an example of 'that person that means the most to me' just changed for me as well. My wife used to be that person, and she just got surpassed by my daughter.
(doesn't mean I love her less, or share the love. Just that I have even more love to give out for the 2 of them now)

Originally Posted by marlie

If this thread hasnt been made before... I will be very suprised.

Why are so many of you young users suicidal? I keep reading posts


GO!

I have yet to come across these posts. Are you talking about here on DV, or the internet in general?

I don't worry about death, or people that feel like they want to kill themselves. To me, life is whatever you want it to be, as long as options are givem to you. If you have access to these forums, you have options. If you want to kill yourself, fine, I'm not stopping you 'nor do I care that you want to kill yourself. In my opinion, the only people that should be killing themselves are the people on this planet that have to make a choice between whether they eat or their kids eat. People that live in Canada, US, Europe, etc, have nothing to fucking complain about, unless you were born on the streets and have absolutely no hope.

Originally Posted by Misbijoux

I have yet to come across these posts. Are you talking about here on DV, or the internet in general?

I am talking about this forum.I didnt want to single people out by quoting them, however should the individuals private message me telling me to use them as an example i happily will.( not likely to happen)

I don't see why people take life so seriously.

Originally Posted by tnemrot

I don't see why people take life so seriously.

exactly.

but yeah.
i think suicidal thoughts are just a by-product of looking at the world the wrong way.

i used to be really unhappy because i thought life had no meaning or purpose.
it took me a while to think:
"yeah..there's no set meaning. But..as apposed to what? Having a single purpose? one thing to devote your whole life to whether you like it or not? Fuck that."

“Anyone desperate enough for suicide...should be desperate enough to go to creative extremes to solve problems: elope at midnight, stow away on the boat to New Zealand and start over, do what they always wanted to do but were afraid to try.”

Richard Bach

After all people seem to think that suicide is some great feat of willpower. That you have the strength to throw away everything you have had and could have. I cannot understand the logic beneath it, because living and breathing needs a lot more courage and strenght :/

For me that is the greatest courage ever, living and doing what you want without fearing of failure.

but well you cannot choose how and where you are born so at least you should be able to end your life if you wanted.

I have thought it often too, but I think I live with all the burdens I have gathered on my shoulders and with all those things I have slash'n burned.

EDIT : of course there are many cultural views to suicide and I am talking about suicides that are being done in desperation or with the "life sucks" attitude, like they usually are in Western countries.

Originally Posted by Unelias

“Anyone desperate enough for suicide...should be desperate enough to go to creative extremes to solve problems: elope at midnight, stow away on the boat to New Zealand and start over, do what they always wanted to do but were afraid to try.”

Richard Bach

I like that quote. If you have nothing left to loose, use that to recreate your life from scratch. If you would disappear anyway, just start appearing somewhere else. Everything is possible :-) Ever wondered what a life in the wild would be like, for example? :-)

Dieing is easy.. living is hard. (That was in a House episode )

Its a depressing world. We are constantly destroying the thing that allows us to exist. Personally, I think this world is a pathetic waste of potential peace and harmony. I think the world would be better of without human kind. Many live arrogant and selfish lives. And few live happy and fullfilling ones.
Sorry this has no relevence to the topic. But I just had to put something. Forgive me.

Well I don't think there isn't much reason to forgive you. I often have same thoughts.

But even though I am very disappointed to our race and everything that happens ( I even get shivers from a word human sometimes) I don't accept any theories that are used to justify bloodshed.

Ín case someone didn't know I was mainly refering to the school shootings, which at least here in Finland had very "hate-against-mankind" theme. Misantropia is the correct world, I believe.

If you wanna die, die alone and don't drag other people with you.

Originally Posted by Elis D.

Life is like a movie, if you've sat through more than half of it and it's sucked the whole way chances are it's not gonna get better at the end and make the whole experience worthwhile. No one should blame you for walking out early.

Life is like a movie if you're the kind of person that sits back and lets things happen to you and doesn't even give an effort to make things better. If it's life, and not clinical diagnosed depression, that's making you feel like crap then do something about it. I know someone who recently lost her father, found our her sister and nephew have cancer, and is on the verge of going bankrupt because of not only the poor economy but because of dishonest people. Her entire life is falling apart, and she can still find the happiness in life. I'm not saying everyone is that resilient, but it just shows that it's possible to at least DEAL with it. (by the way, This does NOT go for people who have some kind of mental instability and actually ARE incapable of doing anything about it.) I do have sympathy for people who have bad lives, but suicide for someone who has the ability to take control over their lives is selfish and cowardly. For teenagers, it's usually ignorance to the fact that they CAN do something about it and that there's more to life than what they're experiencing now, in which case it's less of a cowardly act than simply an ignorant one.

Originally Posted by lagunagirl

I do have sympathy for people who have bad lives, but suicide for someone who has the ability to take control over their lives is selfish and cowardly. For teenagers, it's usually ignorance to the fact that they CAN do something about it and that there's more to life than what they're experiencing now, in which case it's less of a cowardly act than simply an ignorant one.

You're just saying that because of the western culture, which I presume is the one you've been raised in. It's not that I'm going to commit suicide soon or that I'd enjoy seeing anybody who's friend/family member has killed themselves, but I just don't see the "big deal" in suicide. I agree, it is a very f*cked up situation if a father kills himself and leaves behind people who love him, or anything along those lines. But if someone want's to die and nothing helped him so far, why should he suffer on? Is he supposed to suffer for the good of humanity? You said that somebody who had the ability to control his life and killed himself anyway is a coward. But how do you know who has the ability or not, who has the right to judge this stuff anyway? Ok then... just some food for thought. I agree, just an impractical rant, not for human consumption.

I am not opposed to suicide I belive in free will blah blah blah, HOWEVER i am refering to the young members, People who have everything to live for, people who I accept may have had an awful awful time, and an abundance of trauma, But at their age, life has just begun, there is still so much ahead, still so many happy experiances out there. Puberty is hard thats a given but what pisses me off is there are children dying all over the world from starvation who suffer immensly yet still have an urge to live. The suicidal youngsters arent hard up.. or they wouldnt be online, they have everything they need materialistic, their family likely arent dying of aids or thirst, yet they are suicidal. drives me nuts.

I've considered death. To be honest the reason is that nothing makes me happy. I find things funny...but it isn't the same as being happy. I've developed this ability to lie half the time and be completely honest about my sadness the other half.


When there is no favorite anything out there. When there is no "special someone" out there that could ever make you happy. When nothing makes you happy all you are left with are things that make you sad. Ironically when things happen that should make you happy (like when I'm accepted into a top notch school or when I get an A on a test that most of the rest of the class got an F on) and they don't make you happy it makes you unhappy. I could easily see a person having a life that other people would say is great and committing suicide because there is a disconnect there for them.

I can't speak of those who are "disappointed with specific things" who think of suicide. Like people who commit suicide because I dunno...they got an F on a paper or they were fired from a job. I can only speak of people who got an A or acquired a new job that should have made them happy but didn't. When your world is full of disappointment and even the rare occasion of a happy thing doesn't lighten your spirits why bother living? My lack of satisfaction however is coupled with how much I care about what other people think of me. I wouldn't want to be remembered as that guy who killed himself. So here I am, alive, but not satisfied or even alright with anything anywhere in my life. I'm always going to feel the way I do. Why wouldn't I consider suicide?

It is so funny, statements like "life has just begun, there is still so much ahead, still so many happy experiences out there," actually depress people who are depressed because no, there are no happy experiences out there. There are a series of events that suck, with a few events which should make you happy but don't.

Meanwhile people say things like "why isn't such and such enough for you?" Or "you have everything to live for." Or, "Get over it." How the hell are you supposed to get over not having things make you happy?

Rather than be around other people and depress them (and myself) I have started secluding myself from the world. People used to describe me as a black hole of depression because when they were around me they would get depressed. Sometimes I think suicide would probably be a service to the planet, get rid of one more depressing thing in the world. But I keep those opinions to myself, and rarely ever complain, because apparently people don't like to hear about my problems.


I have no plans of killing myself, but sometimes I do want to. And, to be clear, I don't spend my life talking about how I want to kill myself. Most of the time I make plans as if I'm not going to kill myself. But I could see myself, some day, getting to a point where nothing has made me happy in such a long time, and nothing is going to make me happy, that for a few hours I think "yeah, suicide is a good idea."

Originally Posted by marlie

I am not opposed to suicide I belive in free will blah blah blah, HOWEVER i am refering to the young members, People who have everything to live for, people who I accept may have had an awful awful time, and an abundance of trauma, But at their age, life has just begun, there is still so much ahead, still so many happy experiances out there. Puberty is hard thats a given but what pisses me off is there are children dying all over the world from starvation who suffer immensly yet still have an urge to live. The suicidal youngsters arent hard up.. or they wouldnt be online, they have everything they need materialistic, their family likely arent dying of aids or thirst, yet they are suicidal. drives me nuts.

Don't you think that the teenagers are suffering immensely as well? If not, then why would they kill themselves? You must understand, when something is normal and nothing to stress about for you, it might be hell for somebody else. Personally, I hate it when people judge everyone and everything the way they see the world. Right, how else can you? But it's unfair. At least I don't see who has the right to decide that their "happy" way is the right way, and that the person who kills himself is a coward because he had it the happy way and wasn't happy. You have no control over your brain, at least without hard work or just luck, which is not something you think or have hope about when you're "down". There is no right or wrong way to view the world, as much as someone might like it to be. It's a problem, yeah... Teenagers killing themselves in a supposed civilized world, where people are too advanced for suicide. Makes you think about how advanced anything is. Anyway, I can relate to what Sandform's talking about as well.