Thread: Frustrated? I got answers.

Any advice for DILD other than in tutorials?

For WILDing, how do I make the transition from conscious to dream conscious without falling asleep? I want to try this afternoon, so any tips?

Originally Posted by vmenge

I've been using things I learned from this guide and arby's VILD guide to try and have a WILD/VILD, but I always reach the same impasse: whenever I start reaching SP, and all the sound in the world sounds like it's going through a leslie speaker, numbness starts reaching down and... it goes away. Just simply goes away. Every single freakin' time
Even if I just lay there and try my hardest not to think about it, it comes back aaaaaand goes away. I'm thinking this is because when it starts I can't help but notice it and think about it. My last few tries I tried REALLY REALLY hard NOT to think about it, which I think is what is ruining my attempt
Which sucks, because either I think about it, or I think about NOT thinking about it

Anyways... any tips?

My question

WILD help would be nice. Such as: Finding the right amount of time to stay awake, how to stay aware and conscious, getting past sleep paralysis (transitioning).

Beware of anyone that claims to have the answers.

Originally Posted by Velzhaed

Beware of anyone that claims to have the answers.

I look at is as being opinionated guidance from an experienced LDer.

I don't have "the answers" which implies either some sacred answers from the gods or a detailed scientific method... I have neither. I have "answers". My "answers" could be complete bullshit. Take what you will...

Originally Posted by FlyingDutchman

Any advice for DILD other than in tutorials?

-For reality checks... My reality check consists of two steps. 1. Attempt to push finger through my opposite palm or stare at my hands. 2. look around at my surroundings and check for stability. Is everything perfectly solid? Are the laws of the universe visually stable?

-Don't smoke drugs (not an accusation)

-Learn meditation. Learn it well.

-More awareness in life means more awareness in dreams, which makes it a lot easier to realize you're dreaming.

Take what you will....
Cheers,
- J

Jamal has helped me by pointing out things in my RCs and so on. It doesn't mean he can give you direct answers (Who can?), but he can offer a different perspective... Which actually is bit like scientific method, if you think Jamal as your opponent in friendly scientific debate. :-D

Originally Posted by TheKing

For WILDing, how do I make the transition from conscious to dream conscious without falling asleep? I want to try this afternoon, so any tips?

Sorry for late response.
Try this tutorial I swear by http://www.dreamviews.com/f79/mind-a...utorial-42271/
When you get to the point past sleep paralysis, just try to picture a dream scene. That's what I do during nap WILDs...

Take what you will...
-Jamal

Originally Posted by vmenge

My question

You know sometimes when you think it goes away it turns out you are actually in a dream state. Make sure to start visualizing dream scenes right after the paralysis dies down.
If that's not the case, make sure not to block the sleep paralysis from your thoughts. In fact it's a lot safer to ride it out... Pay attention to it and let it take you to the end.

Cheers,
-Jamal

Originally Posted by brettWp

WILD help would be nice. Such as: Finding the right amount of time to stay awake, how to stay aware and conscious, getting past sleep paralysis (transitioning).

When I do morning WILDs I try not to stay awake at all. When I wake up I think to myself "I'm about to enter a dream" then I get in the most comfortable position I can and focus on the thought of lucid dreaming. I use this thread --- http://www.dreamviews.com/f79/mind-a...utorial-42271/ to reach sleep paralysis. The best way to get through sleep paralysis is to observe and let it take you on it's "ride", which can be hard at times because it can be a very terrifying experience. After sleep paralysis is over you should be able to picture a dream scene, or slowly open your eyes. Even if it doesn't "work" do a reality check.

The thing about the WILD is that it's not a very logical process and mostly occurs in states in between reality and dream. For that reason it is hard to explain and is usually best learned through practice. Try as much as you can during daytime naps, and in the morning. Experiment with times. Find what's right for you... Let me know if theres anything else specifically that you need help with!
Cheers,
-Jamal

Gonna try this next weekend (my work schedule is hectic), but you nailed my exact issue: getting to sleep paralysis. I tried about 4 times this weekend with 3 WBTBs and 1 nap. I appreciate your help, and I'll post my results.

Originally Posted by TheKing

Gonna try this next weekend (my work schedule is hectic), but you nailed my exact issue: getting to sleep paralysis. I tried about 4 times this weekend with 3 WBTBs and 1 nap. I appreciate your help, and I'll post my results.

Cheers!

Thanks for your input and tips.

No problem mate.

Originally Posted by Jamal

Don't smoke drugs (not an accusation)

I don't see what drugs have to do with anythings.

Drugs have an immensely large impact on dreaming.

Jamal, tried to WBTB after 4 hours, lied in bed, but I evidently wasn't alert enough to SP/WILD. I woke up a few more times naturally, tried to WILD yet again. Any idea what I am doing wrong? Last weekend, I tried to WBTB and stayed up for 30 minutes, and I was too alert, so I need to stay under 15 minutes awake, I'd wager, but I am still messing up.

Also, any tips on making DILD a habit in dreams?

I did what you basically did this morning. Woke up at 4:30 with the intention of WILDing, fell asleep, woke up again at 6:00 and fell asleep, then woke up naturally twice, once at 7:30 then again around 8:30. And fortunately, I had a DILD in that one hour period between 7:30 and 8:30.

In my

Congrats on your DILD! I may have to work on getting my DILD up to snuff so I can fall back on that when WILDing fails.

Thanks. That's my third one in the past 2 months. I want to WILD though, I hear they are extremely vivid and life-like, if you stabilize and get a good dream going.

ok so i wake up at 5 or whatever..... i never seem to be able to get myself aware enough to focus clearly on getting into sp and not falling back aleep/etc.. any tips?

Originally Posted by Codename

ok so i wake up at 5 or whatever..... i never seem to be able to get myself aware enough to focus clearly on getting into sp and not falling back aleep/etc.. any tips?

All advice I've been given states don't worry about SP; worry about going to sleep. Focusing on anything will make it harder to sleep. Instead use anchors to maintain consciousness while you fall asleep, the rest will happen.

The problem for me is maintaining that consciousness while I fall asleep (at night, it happens super fast).