Thread: Am I right in thinking this?

I think no-Name's original issue is that, inherent in your perceived definition of lucid, you have false and high standards for what you expect of dream lucidity. What you think of lucidity is really (high level) dream control. The two things aren't the same. That's why supposedly imposing your opinion is a problem, you aren't doing yourself any favours with unrealistic expectations.

Also, I don't think anyone was calling you a 12 year old It doesn't do to make these threads on people's opinions and then act so defensive when they suggest you're going about something the wrong way.

Originally Posted by Origami

Well thats not really related to what I was on about, but still, that is a lucid, just not in control. People define lucid as either in control, have full senses, or both. It depends what you class as a lucid, there is no written in stone dictionary definition of a lucid dream, they are what you think they are. Within reason, of course. You can't just say you flew in a dream last night, therefore it was lucid, that makes no sense. But if you flew and it felt like you were flying, but you couldn't control where, then thats lucid enough.

Excuse me if i'm wrong but i thought i was being pretty on-topic with this post, we are talking about what lucidity means right? I am telling you what i think is the difference between a lucid and a non-lucid dream from my own experience. I also fly sometimes in my non-lucid dreams, i don't consider flying to be a sign of lucidity. ( imo u can have dream control without being lucid )
What i tried to say is that in my non-lucid dreams i have no free will , it's like watching a movie trough the eyes of the actor.
In this particular dream i stepped in with complete free-will of what i was going to do, i could fly anywhere i wanted. I just wasn't consious enough to remember any goals.

@ Ctharlhie, I didn't just make this topic to bait people in so I could make a scene at how people are disregarding my opinion. I posted what I see lucid dreaming as, and I wanted opinions and thoughts from other people. Input. What you think of my idea. Thats all. Its you and some other people who take this the wrong way.

@Dthoughts, so basically you had a lucid then? You went into a dream and had free will? Then why not call it a lucid in the first place. And this topic is about what people thought of my idea of lucid dreaming, not what defines lucid dreaming compared to other dreams, but okay, I'm sorry.

Originally Posted by Origami

@Dthoughts, so basically you had a lucid then? You went into a dream and had free will? Then why not call it a lucid in the first place.

Yeah, i was lucid from the first moment of this dream that i recalled while awake. I was already floating at that moment so perhaps there might have been an event that triggered this burst of awareness beforehand.

Originally Posted by Origami

But instead becoming lucid is more like taking your dreams, and making them vivid enough to make reality? Where you dream normally, but if they get to a point where they are so vivid and you can feel them almost as reality

I don't quite understand what you mean with this? Do you mean you measure lucidity by the vividness of ur dream?
Cus i agree in a sense that there is no magic transition moment in lucid dreaming but rather lucidity is ur awareness and when your awareness in dreams improve the dream becomes more vivid as a by-product of lucidity, not the other way around.
But i'm not entirely sure if this is what you meant to say.

@Origami; Notice then that my posts contain input on your ideas. You are choosing to interpret things in an antagonistic light. That's all I'm going to say.

Originally Posted by Ctharlhie

@Origami; Notice then that my posts contain input on your ideas. You are choosing to interpret things in an antagonistic light. That's all I'm going to say.

I can agree to that, sorry.

@Dthoughts, Thats pretty much what I meant, yeah.

I like how the matrix parallels lucid dreaming here's a few qoutes.

" unfortunately no 1 can be told what the matrix is you have to see it for yourself"
Have your first lucid experience then make your opinions reality

"Spoon boy: Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth.
Neo: What truth?
Spoon boy: There is no spoon.
Neo: There is no spoon?
Spoon boy: Then you'll see, that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself. "

Focus on controlling the clarity of your own inner thoughts not the external dream environment.

The astral dream scape is already vivid your the one that has to put your awareness with in alignment of the dreamscape.


sorry for all the edits
namaste

Very cool post dreamcatcher ( i like most of em XD ), i liked it more pre-edit tho. Something about it felt more direct and allowed information to flow directly into my brain.

Oh i just had a minor realization before i went to try and sleep ( failed, is why im here. I can never ever find peace in this place )
that the difference between lucid and non-lucid as perceived by most people is the presence of the rational mind in dreams.
You see i remembered in my lucid i was having trouble flying and my inner dialogue was thinking ; "I wonder how much ppl on DV had trouble learning to fly"

This is interesting because this is the only time i actually remember thinking while in a dream.

Originally Posted by Origami

You can't really attain lucidity. There is no magical level where you suddenly become aware and know "I'm dreaming, I can do what I want lololol".

sarcasm i hope? i do this often, i just realize i'm dreaming. LOL

I didn't read all the posts as there seemed to be a lot of poo-throwing going on. This happens from time to time on the internet.

Originally Posted by Origami

You can't really attain lucidity. There is no magical level where you suddenly become aware and know "I'm dreaming, I can do what I want lololol".

I disagree with this. In DILDS you are dreaming stumbling blindly along and then something happens or you have a realization that shocks you into knowing (or at least checking) that you are dreaming. You can be having the most vivid dream in the world, but if you are not aware that it's a dream you are not lucid. I have had many LDs that are woozy and dark, but I realized I was dreaming and attempted deepening / stabilization techniques to correct this.

The whole "I can do what I want" bit is another ball game altogether, as dream control requires its own set of skills.