A Practical Recipe for Inducing LDs and OBEs

[CosmicIron]

Introduction A few months ago I helped a fairly large group of people to learn how to induce lucid dreams and out-of-body-experiences. We started with many traditional methods and received mixed results. While I am able to induce OBEs and LDs at will, I find it difficult to pass my experiences to them. The traditional methods require too much conscious efforts and improvisation, and they are not all that effective to begin with, often laden with mysticism and misconception. We needed a simpler, more direct approach. By analyzing my own routines and the successful cases of my students, I developed a simple recipe -- a set of exercises that can be easily practiced without requiring lots of mental efforts and fin-esse. The result has been promising. Many students were able to experience LDs or OBEs at much higher frequencies. Some people have even learned to induce the experiences at will, in as little as two months. The Routines 1. Lay flat on your back, take a few deep breaths. With your eyes closed, repeat the following procedures, for 10-20 seconds each: a) Observe the blackness behind the eyes. Do this intently, with the expectation that you will start seeing hypnagogic images. b) Listen to the noises in your head. Again, intend to hear humming, buzzing, or hissing sounds. c) Attempt to move part of your body (hand, foot, fingers, etc.) without using any muscles. Do not visually imagine this movement; rather, you should imagine yourself feeling the sensation of the movements. 2. Cycle through the above procedures for at least 4 times. The above are essentially warm-ups. You should do them with the intention that you will generate hypnagogic illusions, but chances are you will never feel anything in reality. Do not let this discourage you. You should finish the required 4 cycles diligently. However, as you do it, do not focus so much as to wake yourself up. Perform the steps slowly, allow yourself to get immersed into your sleep. Random thoughts will start to enter your mind, and you may even at times momentarily lose consciousness. You will find yourself becoming slower, even getting lost in the process. All that is good! Just make sure you pull back from the random thoughts and resume from where you left. DO NOT do it so quickly. Try to stay fully awake and clear! If you finish the cycles in two minutes then they are not going to be useful at all. 3. Turn your body to find a more comfortable position and allow yourself to fall asleep quickly. Let go everything, and do not even think about lucid dreaming! 4. As you fall asleep, occasionally glance the blackness behind your eyes. Be relaxed and do not stare. Try not to move your eye muscles at all. When you begin slipping into your dreams, you will notice random thoughts popping up in your head. Do not restrain them. The occasionally glance should be able to keep them on a loose leash. The Result When successfully executed, you may experience the following: You fall asleep, but then suddenly wake up with a strange sensation all over your body. It is difficult to describe, but when it happens you will know. This is when you are ready to experience an OBE. Your random thoughts materializes into a dream, with you being fully aware. A false awakening. This can happen a lot with this exercise. Therefore, you should remember to always perform dream checks no matter how convinced you are. During the warm-up phase, you see hypnagogic images, hear buzzing sounds, or genuinely feel the movements of your body without using muscles. If this happens, you can simply forget about the rest of the steps, and instead try to amplify the sensations. For the images, try to allow it to become more vivid, to the point it finally wraps around you and develop it into a dream scene; for the sounds, try to increase its volume; and for the movement, you should try to increase its range. When to Practice DO NOT do this as the first thing you go to sleep. This is a common mistake with novices. You are simply wasting your time! You should NEVER do this exercise without at least 4 hours of sleep under your belt. I recommend doing the exercises after 6 hours of sleep, or combining it with WBTB for best results. If you normally wake up naturally at night, you can also take advantage of these natural awakenings, and do the exercise multiple times per night. Conclusion Please keep in mind -- inducing LDs and OBEs is by no means an easy task. Therefore you should not give up too easily. It is possible that you may not experience anything at all with your early attempts. Do not be discouraged. Keep at it and you WILL see results. And should you have any questions please do not hesitate to post them here. Good luck to you all!

[Avalanche]

ITT WILD. Nice job summarizing a well known method and calling it your own.

[angie746]

Ok you have explained it well but like Origami says this method is already in the WILD section, not sure if you have seen it , if it's not there it's definatley somewhere on this site..not exactly like yours but more aless the same but like I said you explained it well

[CosmicIron]

Ok you have explained it well but like Origami says this method is already in the WILD section, not sure if you have seen it , if it's not there it's definatley somewhere on this site..not exactly like yours but more aless the same but like I said you explained it well Thank you angie. You actually said it -- "not exactly like yours". Please keep in mind, inducing OBEs and LDs is a "subtle" task; therefore, any subtle differences may play big roles in the process, and result in radically different experiences.

[That]

Ok you have explained it well but like Origami says this method is already in the WILD section, not sure if you have seen it , if it's not there it's definatley somewhere on this site..not exactly like yours but more aless the same but like I said you explained it well noob logic: Only one WILD method allowed No, he joined today, instantly posted that thread, did nothing else and hasn't been online since. This isn't some newbie, it's like some kind of weird trolling or spam or something. Great (bad) observation. There's no link going back to any website. This is a post on a lucid dreaming forum about lucid dreaming. Sherlock Origami Holmes is here to stop forum spam. Btw here are more spam threads for you to police: http://www.dreamviews.com/f11/ http://www.dreamviews.com/f81/ (this one's pretty bad) And worst of all (not for the faint of heart): http://www.dreamviews.com/f49/ Ok, right, let's get all this straight now- I'm sorry for calling you spam or whatever, but you have to admit creating a second account and insta posting some new super successful recipe (which has to yet to have any backing other than what you say, for all we know only you did this and it worked) wasn't the best way to start off. You know you can't have two accounts, and will have one deleted, etc etc If you could re-post this topic with a better intro as your new self, we all would be happy to read it then. I just put in my vote for you as moderator

[angie746]

[QUOTE=That;1733412]noob logic: Only one WILD method allowed Right THAT!! I find you very rude and although i stated there were others like this I did not say this was not allowed..I did if you infact read state that yes there are others LIKE it, not exactly like it but morealess the same... I was basically trying to explain what Origamni meant and also I was not against the post as I also stated that it was explained well, I think the more methods the better, DO NOT judge someone you do not know..you have a problem with what I said then maybe speak to me on a higher level like an adult instead of throwing you sarcastic insults about this site..I am an experienced Lucid dreamer and I am here to help anyone who needs it, my posts are un judgemental and I try to see everyones point of view, I am not sarcastic with my mannor as you indeed are and I would appreciate it if you spoke with a little more intelligence next time instead of just spouting off and trying to piss on everyones posts..my god people like you make me really ANGRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Avalanche]

No, he joined today, instantly posted that thread, did nothing else and hasn't been online since. This isn't some newbie, it's like some kind of weird trolling or spam or something.

[CosmicIron]

No, he joined today, instantly posted that thread, did nothing else and hasn't been online since. This isn't some newbie, it's like some kind of weird trolling or spam or something. I carefully wrote the text, spent hours to make sure I got it right. To develope the recipe we experimented with hundreds of people and spent countless hours. And you call that spam without carefully evaluating the content. I find that very disheartening.

[CosmicIron]

First of all, I did not call this a "new technique"; rather, I carefully chose the word "recipe" to describe what it is. Second, I'm not a newbie. You can also find me as "ion" on this forum. I understand there are many WILD techniques and tutorials. While I cannot claim to have seen them all, I can confidently say I've seen and experimented with most of them. As I said, this is a recipe, not a "technique". If people follow the steps carefully they will see good results, without requiring them to improvise. Same ingredients do not always make the same dish. I knew many people would simply dismiss it, thinking there is nothing new; what you don't realize is that the secret recipes do not always rely on secret ingredients. There are many subtle differences between this recipe and the others. If you dismiss it too quickly then you will never notice. This recipe has been practiced by hundreds of people, both experienced and new, and the results are very good. If you can already induce LDs and OBEs with 100% success rate like me, then by no means please skip this. However, if you can't, then I suggest you not to dismiss it too lightly. This has helped hundreds of people, it might just help you.

[Darkmatters]

Ok, now that you've responded several times it's clear you're not spamming or anything like that. However, Origami was making what seemed like totally correct assumptions based on a few facts.. namely like he said, it's a brand new account and the method is so similar to techniques already well-known. Plus the fact that you seem unfamiliar with forum policy concerning making multiple posts in a row and having multiple accounts adds up to puzzling. I'm not trying to be negative, just trying to explain why people would think that. But now I hope people can get on to discussing the technique itself rather than the circumstances surrounding its posting. It does sounds like a good method, and similar in many ways to what I use. I'm glad you mentioned toward the end that it's to be done after at least 4 hour's sleep... I thought you had forgotten to mention that. Anyway, good post! Welcome back to DV!

[CosmicIron]

Ok, now that you've responded several times it's clear you're not spamming or anything like that. However, Origami was making what seemed like totally correct assumptions based on a few facts.. namely like he said, it's a brand new account and the method is so similar to techniques already well-known. Plus the fact that you seem unfamiliar with forum policy concerning making multiple posts in a row and having multiple accounts adds up to puzzling. I'm not trying to be negative, just trying to explain why people would think that. But now I hope people can get on to discussing the technique itself rather than the circumstances surrounding its posting. It does sounds like a good method, and similar in many ways to what I use. I'm glad you mentioned toward the end that it's to be done after at least 4 hour's sleep... I thought you had forgotten to mention that. Anyway, good post! Welcome back to DV! The reason that I'm switching to a brand new name is because I want this recipe to be credited solely under this user name, which I have been using on another LD forum with more than ten thousand users. This recipe has been in circulation among these people for quite some time now, and has become very popular due to the somewhat "unexpected" effectiveness -- yes in the beginning many were skeptical also and dismissed it as yet another WILD tutorial. The initial hostility I've received so far from the above posts really was depressing... I agree with you and hope people will start focusing on evaluating the recipe instead. Better yet, I hope people will actually try it and not just read it.

[Darkmatters]

Due to the unfortunate way this thread started, you might want to contact a moderator and ask about getting it deleted so you can start a fresh one, and also see about getting your old user account deleted as well. You're not allowed to have multiples.

[CosmicIron]

Due to the unfortunate way this thread started, you might want to contact a moderator and ask about getting it deleted so you can start a fresh one, and also see about getting your old user account deleted as well. You're not allowed to have multiples. The other account "ion" has some interesting posts under the belt. It will be a pity to delete them, even though I have no intention to use it anymore. If the forum moderator sees this thread and my accounts as inappropriate, then they can just go ahead delete them. I'm simply trying to share an exciting new discovery, hoping it would help many others; but I'm not motivated to deal with unjust criticism and bureaucracy.

[Mancon]

The other account "ion" has some interesting posts under the belt. It will be a pity to delete them, even though I have no intention to use it anymore. If the forum moderator sees this thread and my accounts as inappropriate, then they can just go ahead delete them. I'm simply trying to share an exciting new discovery, hoping it would help many others; but I'm not motivated to deal with unjust criticism and bureaucracy. I'm pretty sure all your posts and threads from ion will stay. Just your account will get deleted

[CosmicIron]

I'm pretty sure all your posts and threads from ion will stay. Just your account will get deleted I'm okay with that. Actually I'm okay even if they do get deleted. I'm not the one at loss... Just hoping people would stop nagging at this issue and focus on the content of this post. Again, they won't know what they are missing if they don't at least give this a try, and I'm not the one at loss. Hundreds of people already succeeded with method, and unlike many other methods, they had consistant sucesses, repeatedly. I don't know how many people can WILD at 100% success rate on this forum, but I know many of my friends have achieved that in as little as two months.

[Solarflare]

multiple accounts= ban

[CosmicIron]

multiple accounts= ban Looks like some of us are more concerned with policies than anything else.

[Solarflare]

Looks like some of us are more concerned with policies than anything else. im just saying

[CosmicIron]

im just saying Okay.... Don't blame you.

[Sassafrax]

Cosmic, i like the information you provided. Too bad you got people here like solarflare who nark things up about something pointless. I'm going to try your recipe and thank you for your time you dedicated so generously merely for the benefit of others in need.

[CosmicIron]

Cosmic, i like the information you provided. Too bad you got people here like solarflare who nark things up about something pointless. I'm going to try your recipe and thank you for your time you dedicated so generously merely for the benefit of others in need. Thank you. That makes me feel better. Hope you have success with it, and I'll be more than happy to assist.

[Solarflare]

[Darkmatters]

Actually both me and Solarflare were just trying to let you know that you're in violation. If you contact a mod you might be able to work out something, but if you wait till they discover it things might not go so well. No narks here! We're just telling you, not telling the mods or anything. Geez, ya try to help some people...

[Solarflare]

Ikr!

[Avalanche]

Ok, right, let's get all this straight now- I'm sorry for calling you spam or whatever, but you have to admit creating a second account and insta posting some new super successful recipe (which has to yet to have any backing other than what you say, for all we know only you did this and it worked) wasn't the best way to start off. You know you can't have two accounts, and will have one deleted, etc etc If you could re-post this topic with a better intro as your new self, we all would be happy to read it then.