Thread: Some questions

Okay, I've been trying to have LDs only for a few days, and generally try to use the WILD technique. The reason I don't think DILD or MILD would work is because in my dreams, I don't... really... have my body. It just seems as I observe pictures and my mind, in dreams, thinks about them. I don't really do anything besides watch and if I do, that is extremely rare.

Now, I wanted to try WILD because of this, but I have some questions about it. Is wild only attainable around 6 hours after your sleep, or can you do it whenever you want? I also heard you can WILD in afternoon naps? What hour exactly? Thank you very much

I'll try to answer your questions but I'll start with something about DILD/MILD. I was once pretty much in the same spot, I couldn't say that the dreams where I had a body and did stuff were that super rare but I just had them maybe once 2-3 days. But the necessery awareness for doing some RCs or mantras here and there changed that balance, now I don't even remember the last dream "I was watching a movie" and they've become the rare ones. So I can just recommend you to use all of these techniques.

Now for your WILD questions: Theoretically WILD is always possible, but it depends on the person, and of course the situation. And after you've slept some time it's for several reasons a lot easier to WILD, which is why WBTB is recommended for WILDing, for a reason. It doesn't hurt to try it both upon falling asleep first and doing a WBTB later, but you shouldn't let it keep you from sleeping. And WILDing is about falling asleep.
As for the afternoon naps, I've heard quite a lot of stories of success but I don't really know about that, so someone else might want to answer that question.

Originally Posted by StaySharp

I'll try to answer your questions but I'll start with something about DILD/MILD. I was once pretty much in the same spot, I couldn't say that the dreams where I had a body and did stuff were that super rare but I just had them maybe once 2-3 days. But the necessery awareness for doing some RCs or mantras here and there changed that balance, now I don't even remember the last dream "I was watching a movie" and they've become the rare ones. So I can just recommend you to use all of these techniques.

Now for your WILD questions: Theoretically WILD is always possible, but it depends on the person, and of course the situation. And after you've slept some time it's for several reasons a lot easier to WILD, which is why WBTB is recommended for WILDing, for a reason. It doesn't hurt to try it both upon falling asleep first and doing a WBTB later, but you shouldn't let it keep you from sleeping. And WILDing is about falling asleep.
As for the afternoon naps, I've heard quite a lot of stories of success but I don't really know about that, so someone else might want to answer that question.

Well, the dreams where I have body is super rare. If you know how could I improve that, please tell me.

I also just tried to WILD (as an afternoon nap) and didn't make it. I layed down in bed for 30 minutes, doing nothing, but my body still chosed to move every now and then. I tried to swallow the least I could and do stuff to keep my mind awake, but I never had any signs of SP... I counted about 20 times from one to ten and two-three times from 100-1. I also talked to myself stuff like "You'll make it. You're gonna WILD and have a lucid dream." but meh, no signs of sleeping. After quite some time, I got frustrated and was hot under the covers, so I just had to stop trying to WILD.

Ah, well, I guess I'll have more luck next time. I'm gonna try to WILD+WBTB today too...

Yeah, a too hot of an environment is just as bad in terms of sleeping for me as well.
As for how to improve the amount of dreams with a body: It was a slow process for me and I just really noticed it was happening at all some days ago. These are just theories but I think it is because I thought so steadily about wanting to lucid dream, what I could do within dreams and did reality checks all the time, everytime seriously wondering if I was dreaming. It took me 3 full months of getting success with the DILD technique, and I hadn't have any success of WILDing on my own yet (which probably means that I enabled more people to have a WILD than I had WILDs on my own yet). Patience and optimism is the key, and while it often might be frustrating it's worth to keep in mind that it is possible and that it's definitely worth it. Try being conscious about dreams, keep an organized dream journal and over time you will most likely feel the amount of dreams with a body go up.

As for WILDing, as said it's most important to fall asleep. Staying still and waiting for stuff to happen is just one possible way to do it. Usually it's better though to try WILDing while you fall asleep nearly normally. Hence, swallow if you have to, move if your uncomfortable. If you don't stress yourself out about it, it won't disrupt your WILD attempts either (I might not have an successful WILD yet, but I made enough attempts to support this theory on my own, just keeping a glimpse of awareness while trying to sleep otherwise normally reduced the amount of stress and I came to the point of hypnagogic images way faster, with two points in one of these attempts where I think I was pretty darn close to WILDing. Moving then disrupted it for at most a minute, nothing to be worried about either). As for counting and what you think about, try variation: you can focus on a sense, trying to visualize something, you can count or just calm your mind and wait for something to pop up on it's own. You might also come up with one ideas to keep a glimpse of awareness while falling asleep. WILD is a great technique but it takes time to master it. Time that surely will be worth it of though.

Yeah, I know. I'll try to be a little more free while trying to WILD. And the daylight in my room was too strong, and I forgot to get the mask for my eyes <_< I also had many distractions, so I don't wonder why it didn't work. And I'll try DILD or MILD only after some time of training WILD and seeing how it goes. I want to master it, not to give up on it. Thank you

Originally Posted by SarcasticIndeed

I want to master it, not to give up on it. Thank you

That's the spirit, keep it up like that and you'll have your success soon.

SarcasticIndeed:

Two quick notes on WILD:

First, it may be theoretically possible to WILD when first going to sleep at night, but it is really, really hard, because you have to maintain your awareness straight through the first stages of sleep before you get to REM in 90 minutes or so. Better to use WILD with WBTB or napping.

That said, you have chosen by far the most difficult method of LD induction as your first method. That is probably not a good idea. DILD and MILD are easier to do, and should indeed yield results whether you have a dream body or not (I'm not sure why that's even a problem). I have no idea why the folks on this site speak so highly -- hell, they speak only -- of WILD when there are other, simpler methods to use, especially when new to the experience.

I highly recommend that you try the other methods. And in any case, give this some time; a few das of trying is only a beginning, not a problem.

Good luck!

Originally Posted by Sageous

SarcasticIndeed:

Two quick notes on WILD:

First, it may be theoretically possible to WILD when first going to sleep at night, but it is really, really hard, because you have to maintain your awareness straight through the first stages of sleep before you get to REM in 90 minutes or so. Better to use WILD with WBTB or napping.

That said, you have chosen by far the most difficult method of LD induction as your first method. That is probably not a good idea. DILD and MILD are easier to do, and should indeed yield results whether you have a dream body or not (I'm not sure why that's even a problem). I have no idea why the folks on this site speak so highly -- hell, they speak only -- of WILD when there are other, simpler methods to use, especially when new to the experience.

I highly recommend that you try the other methods. And in any case, give this some time; a few das of trying is only a beginning, not a problem.

Good luck!

Thank you for your response, Sageous. I know that WILD is only effective combined with WBTB or in an afternoon nap, in fact, gonna try it today with WBTB.

As for the easier methods, well... to be honest, I feel like WILD is the technique for me. The main problem with DILD and MILD is that, in my dreams, I do not feel, well, it's hard to explain, but even if I had my body in my dreams, from my own experience, there would be no way I would even question if it is a dream. In my dreams, I rarely walk, just see a slide-show or similar. While I could try MILD as I believe it would work better than DILD for me, I don't really want it, I don't, like the idea, I guess.

You can also see me as the challenge seeker a bit, wanting to master the harder technique at first. If WILD proves not to be useful to me, I'll be more than willing to try other methods, but, I'd just like to stick with WILD for a bit.

That's some good advice from Sageous, but there are those few people who have success with WILDing on their first tries. Since you're open to other techniques I don't see any problem with trying that first and switching later in case it won't work, it's the same I once did.
As for no way to question the dream, you don't have to do RCs depending on anything, most of my RCs come just randomly to my mind, since I trained myself to occasionally do an RC for now reason.

Originally Posted by StaySharp

That's some good advice from Sageous, but there are those few people who have success with WILDing on their first tries. Since you're open to other techniques I don't see any problem with trying that first and switching later in case it won't work, it's the same I once did.
As for no way to question the dream, you don't have to do RCs depending on anything, most of my RCs come just randomly to my mind, since I trained myself to occasionally do an RC for now reason.

I understand what you're trying to say. And really, I don't expect WILD to work in my first try, but I'm trying to be as optimistic as possible.