Thread: Conciousness: Give in order to Get. Falling asleep easily for LDer and non-LDer

Originally Posted by Mrsf0011

Hey spyguy

how do you maintain concentration on what your doing? how do you stop the mind chatter so you can let your counciousness go, as the chatter keeps coming back?

can you give detailed mental procedures on how what you think after you lie down and what do you think about, how you deal with mind chatter, do you keep focued ont he visualisation?

also you say either way you loose conciouseness but iv done WILD few times before, and i go from wake to dream in front ofmy eyes with no intrupton ?

First of all, I make sure nothing of big importance is on my mind. If you have to remember something seriously important, make a notition about it and place it somewhere you will certainly notice it. So I would say that the first step is making sure that you have no worries like that. Then, when actually lying down, it is important to know that stopping your mind from chattering is not the point of this technique. I'd say that it is almost impossible. Your goal is not to stop the mind entirely to fall asleep, the brain is highly active during sleep after all, so there is no point stopping it entirely before sleeping. The goal is to rather not really pay attention to them. It could be compared with 'getting lost' in them, or 'sinking through' them. They're there, and they always will be. To be precise: get rid of the conciousness, not the thoughts. It is really hard to explain this, but it is highly similiar to doing void meditation, so practicing that will probably make you understand what I mean if you don't understand it after this post.
So, to summarize what I've said so far: start by getting rid of any worries. Then, when lying down, get rid of the conciousness, not the thoughts, as those will come back either way.
Next, I do not focus on any visualizations, as I don't visualize while doing this. The 'throwing away' is a metaphor to make it easier to understand, I do not visualize throwing it away. That being said, visualization can really help with anything sleep-concerned, so you're free to experiment ofcourse

Lastly, about the WILD: it is true that you don't lose conciousness when you WILD. But WILDing is (usually) done after a WBTB. So one would have to fall asleep and wake up before doing a WILD. During that initial falling asleep, losing conciousness is inevitable. Even if you do manage to WILD before initial sleep, when the REM ends, another sleep cycle will begin, and you will (temporarily) lose conciousness again.

Hope this helps

Originally Posted by Spyguy

Lastly, about the WILD: it is true that you don't lose conciousness when you WILD. But WILDing is (usually) done after a WBTB. So one would have to fall asleep and wake up before doing a WILD. During that initial falling asleep, losing conciousness is inevitable. Even if you do manage to WILD before initial sleep, when the REM ends, another sleep cycle will begin, and you will (temporarily) lose conciousness again.

Hope this helps

some good points there which i will experiment with.

i think what im talking about and trying to achieve is little bit diffrent.

I have done WILD straight from initial sleep as in i lied down, oddly managed to quite my mind, saw my body going unconciouse but not mind and then entering Sleep pralysis/hypnagogic where time/space stops to exist and you cant move your body and all sorts of sounds, music visualisations apear in front and around you, but throught out all of this your 100% aware of whats happening you never loose councioussness. Then dream landscape starts to form infront of your eyes and you sort of hop into it and your in a LD. i have done this couple times, also sometimes by accident so i have no doubt you can enter a LD without loosing councioussness. normally when you go to sleep everynight everyone goes through that process but usually not aware of it as they are uncounciouse.

the reasone for quitening the mind is you need your brainwave to drop to 8Hz to be in that state and thats what im trying to achieve. when your awake your brain wave is on 16-20Hz with full of thoughts/chatter etc, the less the chatter the lower your Hz will be. those buddhist monks and expert meditators are very good at this because they know how to keep mind quite for prolonged periods. i can keep my mind quite for minutes maybe and i even know how its done but i was wondering maybe you have a better method.

however im very curiouse about what you say aboout letting the chatter go on and not paying attention to them. few times i have had some expriences where i mentally wasnt paying attention to my thoughts but i was sort of lost in them where it sort of turned into visualisations and eventually felt like i was in a dream but snapped out of it, and that was only because i was very tired so i dont really know how i did it. will also look into void meditation.

basically right now i really want a solid way i can be in touch with my subcounciousse and iv tried meditation but iv been hopeless at it due to mind chatter where i get caught up in thoughts.

Originally Posted by Mrsf0011

some good points there which i will experiment with.

i think what im talking about and trying to achieve is little bit diffrent.

I have done WILD straight from initial sleep as in i lied down, oddly managed to quite my mind, saw my body going unconciouse but not mind and then entering Sleep pralysis/hypnagogic where time/space stops to exist and you cant move your body and all sorts of sounds, music visualisations apear in front and around you, but throught out all of this your 100% aware of whats happening you never loose councioussness. Then dream landscape starts to form infront of your eyes and you sort of hop into it and your in a LD. i have done this couple times, also sometimes by accident so i have no doubt you can enter a LD without loosing councioussness. normally when you go to sleep everynight everyone goes through that process but usually not aware of it as they are uncounciouse.

the reasone for quitening the mind is you need your brainwave to drop to 8Hz to be in that state and thats what im trying to achieve. when your awake your brain wave is on 16-20Hz with full of thoughts/chatter etc, the less the chatter the lower your Hz will be. those buddhist monks and expert meditators are very good at this because they know how to keep mind quite for prolonged periods. i can keep my mind quite for minutes maybe and i even know how its done but i was wondering maybe you have a better method.

however im very curiouse about what you say aboout letting the chatter go on and not paying attention to them. few times i have had some expriences where i mentally wasnt paying attention to my thoughts but i was sort of lost in them where it sort of turned into visualisations and eventually felt like i was in a dream but snapped out of it, and that was only because i was very tired so i dont really know how i did it. will also look into void meditation.

basically right now i really want a solid way i can be in touch with my subcounciousse and iv tried meditation but iv been hopeless at it due to mind chatter where i get caught up in thoughts.

Getting lost in thoughts without really noticing them is practically what this technique induces. The difference is that you don't snap out of it and if you do, you can pick up where you left quite easily.
As for meditation, I'm not an expert, but I think it's important to note that there are different types of meditation. Stopping the mind from chattering is a way I've heard of before, but if you focus too much on it, it will have no effect. I once read that you need to sort of 'detach' from the chatter. At first it will speed up because it finally has a chance to roam free. When it's done it will slow down significantly and eventually, you'll be in some sort of different state. But again, I am no expert on meditation.