Thread: Conciousness: Give in order to Get. Falling asleep easily for LDer and non-LDer

Originally Posted by Spyguy

Lastly, about the WILD: it is true that you don't lose conciousness when you WILD. But WILDing is (usually) done after a WBTB. So one would have to fall asleep and wake up before doing a WILD. During that initial falling asleep, losing conciousness is inevitable. Even if you do manage to WILD before initial sleep, when the REM ends, another sleep cycle will begin, and you will (temporarily) lose conciousness again.

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some good points there which i will experiment with.

i think what im talking about and trying to achieve is little bit diffrent.

I have done WILD straight from initial sleep as in i lied down, oddly managed to quite my mind, saw my body going unconciouse but not mind and then entering Sleep pralysis/hypnagogic where time/space stops to exist and you cant move your body and all sorts of sounds, music visualisations apear in front and around you, but throught out all of this your 100% aware of whats happening you never loose councioussness. Then dream landscape starts to form infront of your eyes and you sort of hop into it and your in a LD. i have done this couple times, also sometimes by accident so i have no doubt you can enter a LD without loosing councioussness. normally when you go to sleep everynight everyone goes through that process but usually not aware of it as they are uncounciouse.

the reasone for quitening the mind is you need your brainwave to drop to 8Hz to be in that state and thats what im trying to achieve. when your awake your brain wave is on 16-20Hz with full of thoughts/chatter etc, the less the chatter the lower your Hz will be. those buddhist monks and expert meditators are very good at this because they know how to keep mind quite for prolonged periods. i can keep my mind quite for minutes maybe and i even know how its done but i was wondering maybe you have a better method.

however im very curiouse about what you say aboout letting the chatter go on and not paying attention to them. few times i have had some expriences where i mentally wasnt paying attention to my thoughts but i was sort of lost in them where it sort of turned into visualisations and eventually felt like i was in a dream but snapped out of it, and that was only because i was very tired so i dont really know how i did it. will also look into void meditation.

basically right now i really want a solid way i can be in touch with my subcounciousse and iv tried meditation but iv been hopeless at it due to mind chatter where i get caught up in thoughts.

Originally Posted by Mrsf0011

some good points there which i will experiment with.

i think what im talking about and trying to achieve is little bit diffrent.

I have done WILD straight from initial sleep as in i lied down, oddly managed to quite my mind, saw my body going unconciouse but not mind and then entering Sleep pralysis/hypnagogic where time/space stops to exist and you cant move your body and all sorts of sounds, music visualisations apear in front and around you, but throught out all of this your 100% aware of whats happening you never loose councioussness. Then dream landscape starts to form infront of your eyes and you sort of hop into it and your in a LD. i have done this couple times, also sometimes by accident so i have no doubt you can enter a LD without loosing councioussness. normally when you go to sleep everynight everyone goes through that process but usually not aware of it as they are uncounciouse.

the reasone for quitening the mind is you need your brainwave to drop to 8Hz to be in that state and thats what im trying to achieve. when your awake your brain wave is on 16-20Hz with full of thoughts/chatter etc, the less the chatter the lower your Hz will be. those buddhist monks and expert meditators are very good at this because they know how to keep mind quite for prolonged periods. i can keep my mind quite for minutes maybe and i even know how its done but i was wondering maybe you have a better method.

however im very curiouse about what you say aboout letting the chatter go on and not paying attention to them. few times i have had some expriences where i mentally wasnt paying attention to my thoughts but i was sort of lost in them where it sort of turned into visualisations and eventually felt like i was in a dream but snapped out of it, and that was only because i was very tired so i dont really know how i did it. will also look into void meditation.

basically right now i really want a solid way i can be in touch with my subcounciousse and iv tried meditation but iv been hopeless at it due to mind chatter where i get caught up in thoughts.

Getting lost in thoughts without really noticing them is practically what this technique induces. The difference is that you don't snap out of it and if you do, you can pick up where you left quite easily.
As for meditation, I'm not an expert, but I think it's important to note that there are different types of meditation. Stopping the mind from chattering is a way I've heard of before, but if you focus too much on it, it will have no effect. I once read that you need to sort of 'detach' from the chatter. At first it will speed up because it finally has a chance to roam free. When it's done it will slow down significantly and eventually, you'll be in some sort of different state. But again, I am no expert on meditation.