Ability to wake up motionless after REM periods

**SIMDML** · 10-13-2012 04:25 PM

Hi,
I have acquired the ability to wake motionless, eyes closed after REM periods up to five times a night. I learned this because about two weeks ago I read a post about DEILD saying that you could re-enter a dream with this technique. This night, I became conscious of a micro awakening, and thought that if I was able to this naturally, it would be a lot easier. I somehow learned to do this but never succeeded until I realized it was almost impossible because I was not in a REM period.

So the question is... Is there any technique that could let me use that ability to achieve lucidity?

Thanks for reading,
Simon

**CJC** · 10-13-2012 06:31 PM

Yes, DEILD. You said you read the guide...am I missing something?

**SIMDML** · 10-13-2012 09:36 PM

Yes, I read the guide, plus a couple others, however, I can't get in SP / into the dream. Nothing happens

I don't know what I'm doing wrong.

**xpin2winx** · 10-13-2012 10:48 PM

thats life son. It doesnt work for everyone. I would say 1/5 times i actually wake up motionless with eyes closed i can actually re-enter the dream. The other times it doesnt happen

**SIMDML** · 10-13-2012 11:11 PM

Well I guess I will just have to continue practice and will get it to work sooner or later.

Thanks for your help,
Simon

**gab** · 10-14-2012 04:26 AM

Originally Posted by SIMDML

I can't get in SP / into the dream. Nothing happens

I don't know what I'm doing wrong.

But..., but... your goal is not SP, it's to fall asleep into a dream while aware. If you waiting for SP, sorry to disappoint you, you will fail.

You managed to achieve what most of us here try to. To stay motionless when waking up at night. Now all you have to do, is to keep still each time you wake up and when you wake up from a dream,. that's when you can enter another dream lucidly.

So the only missing ingredient from your list is a dream. Keep trying and I bet you will get lucid in a next few days. Happy dreams

**faceonmars** · 10-14-2012 04:45 AM

There are REM dreams and NREM dreams. It is a common misconception that dreams only occur in REM. Simply visualize the dream you were having.

**mcwillis** · 10-14-2012 12:34 PM

Follow this link:

http://www.dreamviews.com/f79/how-ha...t-wild-106427/

**SIMDML** · 10-14-2012 01:17 PM

Thank you all for this great advice. I know I don't get in SP when I do it because my first LD was an unintentional DEILD and went strait into the dream. I will keep trying until I get it to work!!! I also read that you are still in REM for a short amount of time after a dream ends, witch explains why it could work. Thanks again for replying so quickly!!!

**CJC** · 10-14-2012 05:40 PM

Yes just keep at it at when the time is right...oh boy you're in for a treat!

Drink a glass or two of water before bedtime; should help keep you aware(er)

Try to stay dreamy even though your awake. If your too aware, it probably wont work.

**SIMDML** · 10-14-2012 06:04 PM

Well, I think I might be a bit too aware. Hopefully I will find the right balance soon

. Thanks to everyone who answered my question!!!

**SIMDML** · 10-15-2012 12:57 AM

Hey guys I have an other question! So, something weird happens to me sometime. I just want to know if anyone ever experienced that or something similar. Sometimes, when I am waking up [before attempting DEILD], I see myself in my bed, but in third person. I normally don't realize it until I am conscious enough, about 3-4 secs after. Did you ever heard about that? Did you ever experience that?

Thanks,
Simon

**SIMDML** · 10-15-2012 01:20 AM

Also! Sometimes, when a dream is ending and I'm about to wake up, I can feel my real body (or see it in 3rd person like described above) and the dream that is slowly fading. Sometime I can sort of "step" in the dream or mentally say I'm dreaming and eventually get lucid, but other times I am not fully aware or my brain is working in slow-motion. Sometimes the dream has faded too much for me to enter it. I had one LD with that, and it happened two times lately (but did not manage to get lucid).
So... Any comments, reactions or piece of advice about this, or is it a bit too specific?

**Sensei** · 10-16-2012 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by SIMDML

Also! Sometimes, when a dream is ending and I'm about to wake up, I can feel my real body (or see it in 3rd person like described above) and the dream that is slowly fading.

I often feel both bodies upon awakening, I don't ever see it in 3rd person though.
I would say spin with your dream body when you feel that. It has given me great results.

Just make sure not to spin the wrong body. If you can't do that, then just imagine spinning, then you can move after that normally.

**SIMDML** · 10-16-2012 01:00 AM

Thanks! I will try this next time it happens!!!

**tangerine** · 10-16-2012 05:47 PM

About your question on 3rd person dreams, there's a good thread here /f45/can-dreams-third-person-136658 and about stabilizing the dream you should read this /wiki/Dream-Stabilization-and-Clarity-Tutorial if you haven't already.

Dutchraptor's guide is also greatfor DEILD training, you can find it at /f49/dutchraptors-deild-guide-become-ld-god-134760/

Good luck and remember to project and eat a little snack when you get lucid, it's free!

Note that in every link, you should put dreamviews.com behind, I'm only 3 days member and I can't post links!!!

**SIMDML** · 10-16-2012 10:57 PM

Thank you! I have read dutchraptor's guide and think it's one of the best guides to DEILD out there! Weird coincidence: I am also a member since 3 days!

**CJC** · 10-17-2012 12:11 AM

welcome to both of you

**allensig3654** · 10-17-2012 05:56 AM

Waking up motionless is half the battle! For me it only take about 10-20 seconds to get right back into the dream. If it takes much longer than that I usually have woken up too much and cannot complete. Make sure you really are not moving an inch or that could make the DEILD take much longer.