Dream techniques

[Miguelinileugim]

I just wanted to know your personal experience with these techniques, concretely: DEILD WBTB MILD WILD DILD CAT EILD Which is your favourite? DEILD and WBTB (aren't they the same?) seem extremely easy for me as I wake systematically after every sleep cycle (when I wake from the third one I stay awake for 2 hours and a half a.k.a segmented sleep). In the other hand, MILD may probably work if I'm constantly using reality checks in reality (if you think about lucid dreaming in a non-lucid dream you start lucid dreaming right?). And WILD hasn't worked for me, though I'm starting to know when I'm going to fall asleep 1 minute before (you know, when you can't think straight). But I don't have any experience with them, so please, tell me about your experiences

[SaxtonHale]

CAT is more of a method to induce DILDs, and its very effective if you can keep up with it. Its basically trying to stay in a constant state of self awareness (as the name implies). I've found that its been steadily making my dreams more vivid and my rational thought within dreams has been increasing. I haven't been lucid much, but I have a feeling that it won't be long before I start having lucids more or less regularly.

[Miguelinileugim]

CAT is more of a method to induce DILDs, and its very effective if you can keep up with it. Its basically trying to stay in a constant state of self awareness (as the name implies). I've found that its been steadily making my dreams more vivid and my rational thought within dreams has been increasing. I haven't been lucid much, but I have a feeling that it won't be long before I start having lucids more or less regularly. Thanks for the advice! But I don't think CAT is sustainable, with the time you would get accustomed...

[MasterMind]

There are only two lucid dream inductions and that is: DILD - Unconscious Sleep and then triggered lucidity with the subconscious. WILD - Conscious Sleep and maintained lucidity with the consciousness. They are most effective when they are used with passive intent, because passive intent uses the subconscious mind and the subconscious mind is one of the things we experience when we dream (subconscious, memories and emotions.) Direct Intent is more effective, but is most effective in a relaxed state of mind, the reason why can be found here: http://www.dreamviews.com/f12/buildi...mation-139016/ Everything else you hear about is variations of the WILD and DILD, and all inductions effectiveness are based on intent and awareness. DEILD - Waking up in a state of mind that is easier to switch your focus of awareness to the dream world with. WBTB - Not an induction technique, but a tool to easier both attain the state of mind required to dream and a way to maintain the aminergic system of the brain that governs critical thinking which of course is really useful to have in a dream. MILD - An induction method that is dependent on your ability to set your intent with your subconscious mind. WILD - An induction method that is dependent on your ability to relax and maintain awareness of your mind. DILD - An induction method that is dependent on your ability to be aware of yourself, in this case your subconscious mind. CAT - Not an induction technique but just as the WBTB, a tool to eaier both attain the state of mind required to dream and to maintain the aminergic system of the brain that govern critical thinking. EILD - Externally triggering your critical thinking process, by making you partly aware of your physical reality and increasing the aminergic system and hoping that it will be enough for you to realize that your current experience is a dream. Methods are great but remember that they are all dependent on your ability to intend and to be aware. I (WILD, DILD, MILD, DEILD and WBTB) everynight but together that is just passively and directly practising awareness and intent. So you can't really say that methods work or doesn't work, they are just tools. If you are going to put a nail on a wall you can't use a screwdriver, well you can try... But I doubt it would be effective. Instead use the tool that best fits the situation (a hammer). It's the same way for lucid dreaming. If you wake up in the middle of the night, use the tool that best fit the situation, which usually is the DEILD and so on. So use the methods don't let the methods use you! And remember that the tools works because of you, not the other way around.

[Miguelinileugim]

There are only two lucid dream inductions and that is: DILD - Unconscious Sleep and then triggered lucidity with the subconscious. WILD - Conscious Sleep and maintained lucidity with the consciousness. They are most effective when they are used with passive intent, because passive intent uses the subconscious mind and the subconscious mind is one of the things we experience when we dream (subconscious, memories and emotions.) Direct Intent is more effective, but is most effective in a relaxed state of mind, the reason why can be found here: Everything else you hear about is variations of the WILD and DILD, and all inductions effectiveness are based on intent and awareness. DEILD - Waking up in a state of mind that is easier to switch your focus of awareness to the dream world with. WBTB - Not an induction technique, but a tool to easier both attain the state of mind required to dream and a way to maintain the aminergic system of the brain that governs critical thinking which of course is really useful to have in a dream. MILD - An induction method that is dependent on your ability to set your intent with your subconscious mind. WILD - An induction method that is dependent on your ability to relax and maintain awareness of your mind. DILD - An induction method that is dependent on your ability to be aware of yourself, in this case your subconscious mind. CAT - Not an induction technique but just as the WBTB, a tool to eaier both attain the state of mind required to dream and to maintain the aminergic system of the brain that govern critical thinking. EILD - Externally triggering your critical thinking process, by making you partly aware of your physical reality and increasing the aminergic system and hoping that it will be enough for you to realize that your current experience is a dream. Methods are great but remember that they are all dependent on your ability to intend and to be aware. I (WILD, DILD, MILD, DEILD and WBTB) everynight but together that is just passively and directly practising awareness and intent. So you can't really say that methods work or doesn't work, they are just tools. If you are going to put a nail on a wall you can't use a screwdriver, well you can try... But I doubt it would be effective. Instead use the tool that best fits the situation (a hammer). It's the same way for lucid dreaming. If you wake up in the middle of the night, use the tool that best fit the situation, which usually is the DEILD and so on. So use the methods don't let the methods use you! And remember that the tools works because of you, not the other way around. Thanks for your speech! (OK, written speech ). So, the idea is to use each one of them according to the situation, right? First start with something "easy" like DEILD and then others like MILD and WILD and maybe some DILD and WBTB in the middle... Thanks for your help!

[MasterMind]

Your welcome yeah see it as different tools for the same thing, so start out by learning the basic usage of each tool. Another example to make it even clearer. The first way you learned to travel was to walk, then you learn to ride a bike, then a car, and perhaps if you go even further you learn to fly (an airplane). When you know all these different ways of traveling you can freely choose what best fits your situation or just what you feel like doing. You might think that flying is the best option each time, but sometimes it might just be a sort distance and you can just walk. And I see many people thinking that the best way is to only practise WILD, but sometime you might be near rem and you can just set your intent and fall asleep. Like a walk in the park. This helps you see the value in the effectiveness of the method, but remember to also choose a method in relation to what you feel like doing, so you don't only perform the methods because you want a lucid dream, but because the actual method is fun to do and this can in turn help you see the value in the method itself. Have fun

[Miguelinileugim]

Your welcome yeah see it as different tools for the same thing, so start out by learning the basic usage of each tool. Another example to make it even clearer. The first way you learned to travel was to walk, then you learn to ride a bike, then a car, and perhaps if you go even further you learn to fly (an airplane). When you know all these different ways of traveling you can freely choose what best fits your situation or just what you feel like doing. You might think that flying is the best option each time, but sometimes it might just be a sort distance and you can just walk. And I see many people thinking that the best way is to only practise WILD, but sometime you might be near rem and you can just set your intent and fall asleep. Like a walk in the park. This helps you see the value in the effectiveness of the method, but remember to also choose a method in relation to what you feel like doing, so you don't only perform the methods because you want a lucid dream, but because the actual method is fun to do and this can in turn help you see the value in the method itself. Have fun Thanks again for your advice! Can I ask you another question? (Please give a short answer, I'm starting to feel guilty about getting so much free advice ) Is WBTB the same as segmented sleep? polyphasicsociety.com/polyphasic-sleep/overviews/segmented-sleep/ Thanks again

[dutchraptor]

Thanks again for your advice! Can I ask you another question? (Please give a short answer, I'm starting to feel guilty about getting so much free advice ) Is WBTB the same as segmented sleep? polyphasicsociety.com/polyphasic-sleep/overviews/segmented-sleep/ Thanks again No it's not, WBTB usually lasts less than thirty minutes and is never used to do overly intensive activities. It is just a time period in which we awaken yet calm the brain into a state from which we can easily WILD or DEILD. As for methods, like mastermind said, never just follow one but don't follow too much either. I take techniques with a grain of salt and usully end up using a slight variation. Every lucid dreaming technique is essentially just a tool for stimulating awareness, so in practise almost every technique is equally effective depending on the user.

[MasterMind]

I don't know since I am not very informed on the subject, however WBTB sounds very much alike so I guess you can use it to segment your sleep.

[Miguelinileugim]

I don't know since I am not very informed on the subject, however WBTB sounds very much alike so I guess you can use it to segment your sleep. You should definitely read about it, thanks to it I (may) sleep 3 hours less per day! (Yes, I know it seems contradictory to simultaneously want lucid dreams and sleep less ). polyphasicsociety.com I was thinking about that, but DEILD for me seems easier, I'll try DILD later No it's not, WBTB usually lasts less than thirty minutes and is never used to do overly intensive activities. It is just a time period in which we awaken yet calm the brain into a state from which we can easily WILD or DEILD. As for methods, like mastermind said, never just follow one but don't follow too much either. I take techniques with a grain of salt and usully end up using a slight variation. Every lucid dreaming technique is essentially just a tool for stimulating awareness, so in practise almost every technique is equally effective depending on the user. Thanks for the advice! I won't specialize in any particular technique, I'll follow a Jack of all trades style And in my current sleep pattern I don't stay awake for 30 minutes, I usually stay awake for 1:30 to 3:45 so WBTB is not for me apparently... I love a good DEILD but I never do anything to directly cause them like alarms or timers. I just do them as the opportunity presents itself. I've been doing WBTB/MILD which is the main source for my LDs but DEILD is still my preferred since you can chain them together and get 5+ dreams at once and continue the story from dream to dream. Stop telling me spoilers! I'm excited! Thanks for the advice! Though for some reason my dreams are either perfectly normal and realistic or video-game realistic, in both cases I don't question reality

[Highlander]

My main modus operandi is DILD, generally I'm more successful after a WBTB period early morning. I could do with putting effort into the other (main) techniques next year.

[Burke]

I love a good DEILD but I never do anything to directly cause them like alarms or timers. I just do them as the opportunity presents itself. I've been doing WBTB/MILD which is the main source for my LDs but DEILD is still my preferred since you can chain them together and get 5+ dreams at once and continue the story from dream to dream.

[Matt1]

(if you think about lucid dreaming in a non-lucid dream you start lucid dreaming right?). Not necessarily. I've yet to have a fully lucid dream but the other night I was reading about lucid dreaming... in a dream. Another site's author (World of Lucid Dreaming) stated that she's had non-lucid dreams about lucid dreaming, even giving a speech about LDs in a non-lucid dream. The way I understand it, and more experienced persons please correct me if I am wrong, it is not thinking about lucid dreaming but questioning reality itself that triggers lucidity. Hence the reality checks becoming a habit and/or triggered and thereby showing up in a dream.