About awareness

[eleggua]

Just thought that maybe it will be useful for you. So about 2 weeks ago I decided that I should start meditating (I have my own reasons for it). I wrote to a guy who is involved in a local zen center but I still had to wait for his reply. While waiting I started to do what I can do on my own. I had read some books on mindfulness and started to wonder what is it like to be "here and now". Suddenly I realized that I do already know this feeling - I always feel like that in a lucid dream. I pay attention on what is around me, my mind doesn't flow, I have no ruminations, etc. What I started to do is simple ADA (or SAT, whatever). Though I didn't try to concentrate on things or become aware of as many things as I can. I just imagined I was in a lucid dream... no, better to say I made myself feel like I suddenly realized that I was in a lucid dream. I try to feel it as often and as long as I can (usually about 30 minutes a day ). From that day I started to have LDs every two days (one per week before my "meditation"). Everything I use is this ADA. P. S. Later I realized that being "here and now" isn't about staring at things around you or concentrating on your butt touching a chair.

[Sensei]

It sounds to me like you are doing this tech: http://www.dreamviews.com/induction-...technique.html The way I use it is to imagine that I am in a dream as well. It seems to be very effective. It seems to be great for me as I am a person that likes to daydream all day long and to stop and meditate a lot throughout the day.

[eleggua]

It sounds to me like you are doing this tech: http://www.dreamviews.com/induction-...technique.html The way I use it is to imagine that I am in a dream as well. It seems to be very effective. It seems to be great for me as I am a person that likes to daydream all day long and to stop and meditate a lot throughout the day. Well, for me DDA looks quite different (if honestly, completely different). I don't daydream about dreaming, just looking at everything like I am already in a dream.

[Sensei]

Hmmm... I guess to me there has always been 2 types of daydreams. One takes you from where you are to another place in your mind, the other you change something about your surroundings. All you are changing is the reality you are in. Hence daydreaming. It has been a while since I have read that tutorial, but it looks like you are right. it isn't what I thought it was. But, that in mind, I do look around and pretend that I am in a dream. Mostly while at work.

[azoller1]

hmm so do you actually have an ld while meditating? i havent ever been good at meditating might try this in a little while, and im guessing its good to have the area your in really quiet

[Sensei]

I believe that she is saying she sits down and imagines that at that moment she is in a lucid dream. Later when she goes to sleep she has a lucid dream. The thoughts and ideas of life transfer to your dreams, if you think for a while that you are in a lucid dream, shouldn't that increase your chances of thinking you are in a dream while dreaming?

[Dannon Oneironaut]

This is proper meditation. Just allowing the moment to be as it is. A dream happening right now in its total perfection. Not trying to change awareness, not trying to change the moment, not trying to realize anything, not wondering if you are doing it right or wrong, just effortless seeing. This ordinary awareness is the buddha, once it 'awakens'. Next time you 'meditate' pay attention to what/who is dreaming all this. What is it that is aware right now?

[Dannon Oneironaut]

http://www.dreamviews.com/beyond-dre...ight-yoga.html

[elucid]

Wow, I think that is too much for meditation. I believe one of the main focus of meditation is relaxation, so not doing much, or not doing anything at all, kind of like no desire.

[VagalTone]

So nice...i know that feeling ..very often i try to recall my lucid dream 's heightened awareness and use it like ADA. i try to remember how aware and curious i am in a lucid dream. in order to do this, just like you do, i also try to imagine that i am suddenly lucid. in dreamyoga we try to understand everything as dream-like. but this technique eleggua is talking about i guess we play a dream game, and we know we are just playing with our awareness. isnt that so eleggua ? @eleggua sometimes with this awareness game i get a gut feeling or confidence that tonight i will be lucid..does this happen to you when you do this ? there's a great relationship between meditation and lucid dreaming for sure. when im lucid i feel like meditating, altough my lucids are very very short

[Dannon Oneironaut]

Being "here and now" is simply being where you really are! lol. This is reality, here and now. Enlightenment, lucidity, is only here and now. Here and now your whole history is just a dream character. Here and now, in direct experience, beyond thought, there is no confusion or questions. Only here and now can you be face to face with the lucid awareness that you think is you. But this lucid awareness that is reading this sentence, is not you. There is no "you". It is a thought that attracts all other thoughts. Just suspending that first thought "I" you merge with your sensual experience and kind of 'trip' on it. Because without this first thought "I" there is no place for other thoughts to stick to. Awareness recognizes itself and everything becomes more vivid and shimmering light and like a giant seamless sphere of "suchness". This sphere of suchness is unborn and undying timelessly perfect. But in our deluded unlucid state we think we exist and have problems. lol. All our suffering is a dream based off of the unlucid thought "I". Lucid dreamers are especially able to recognize the eternal truth. Very likely. Keep being lucid! Realize that when you are lucid, you are enlightened. Fake it until you make it, or recognize it! It may take some concentration, resting your weary heart and mind in your concentration on the thought "I". It may feel like a tug or ache or presence in the heart or an intelligence behind the eyes. Tune in to it. Abide as your true nature. Forget everything you ever heard and find out the truth of this "I" for yourself once and for all. By effortless lucid clear seeing, not thinking about nor straining. It is not behind your head, or behind your mind, it is right there the closest thing to you. Closer than the nose on your face. You are the center of this dream! LOL! All seeking happiness, seeking enlightenment, self improvement, is all a way to postpone enlightenment, since it is the "I" who tries to achieve that which is not an attainment. The only thing the "I" doesn't do is experience. The "I" is a thought, it is not aware. Think of a dog. Is that thought of a dog aware? When you imagine Santa Claus is that thought aware? What is it that is aware? Not you. hehehe

[Dannon Oneironaut]

Outshine yourself with the brilliance of your true nature.

[Bobblehat]

Can you do a tutorial on this, Dannon Oneironaut?

[Dannon Oneironaut]

Here is a website to check out. These people are good and they have a whole community of people who have awakened to support the process. This is where I volunteer: Liberation Unleashed - a groundbreaking approach to the ancient question of enlightenment.

[OneirosOnkelos]

I did some meditation yesterday, tried to get hypnotized and did as instructed. I got to a point where I told myself, "I am a lucid dreamer. I am an oneironaut. I can lucid dream. I know how to lucid dream." After that little session, I ended up this morning not becoming lucid, but I did notice something was off in my dream. Unfortunately, my reality check of plugging my nose and trying to breathe was backwards. I could breathe through my nose, but I was expecting not to. So when I was breathing, I went back to what I was doing and said, "Nah, I'm not dreaming." I meditated for 10 minutes today. I will meditate again later and affirm positive things and see how my dreams go.

[Dannon Oneironaut]

That is self-hypnosis. Not meditation. But hypnosis works to condition your mind, which is what you are doing. So good job! The difference is you are conditioning your mind, but true lucidity is unconditioned mind. True lucidity is the case right now if you drop all mind conditioning and thoughts and concepts. Enlightenment is not fabricated (created, conditioned). But you can condition your mind to be more flexible or to be skilled at something, which is also desirable. Next time, Oneiros, try saying "I am lucid dreaming. I know that lucidity is my true nature and it is effortless to be aware." And try to see the truth of that instead of trying to convince yourself. But if you cannot see the truth of it yet, work with hypnosis. Look right now, are you aware? It is effortless! If it wasn't for that conceptual mind talking your ear off hypnotizing you. That inner dialog telling you what is happening, that is the unlucid mind.

[OneirosOnkelos]

That is self-hypnosis. Not meditation. But hypnosis works to condition your mind, which is what you are doing. So good job! The difference is you are conditioning your mind, but true lucidity is unconditioned mind. True lucidity is the case right now if you drop all mind conditioning and thoughts and concepts. Enlightenment is not fabricated (created, conditioned). But you can condition your mind to be more flexible or to be skilled at something, which is also desirable. Next time, Oneiros, try saying "I am lucid dreaming. I know that lucidity is my true nature and it is effortless to be aware." And try to see the truth of that instead of trying to convince yourself. But if you cannot see the truth of it yet, work with hypnosis. Look right now, are you aware? It is effortless! If it wasn't for that conceptual mind talking your ear off hypnotizing you. That inner dialog telling you what is happening, that is the unlucid mind. Ah, I didn't know that was self-hypnosis. Thanks for telling me. I'll give that a try, too. Hypnosis has caught my attention recently because I read that it could help. I wish I could find some hypnotherapists or whatever so I can make sure I'm doing things right.

[Dannon Oneironaut]

The thought "Am I doing this right?" is not doing it right. That is doubt, which doesn't work well for self-hypnosis. Just do it and have fun doing it.