Thread: fastest brain frequency = LD

Lucid Dreamers Produce The Fastest Brainwave Frequencies Ever Recorded

Lucid dreaming is a documented phenomenon;

researchers continue to explore it as it shows some very significant brain patterns and biological happenings within the body.

A fairly recent example is a study conducted in 2009 at the Neurological Laboratory in Frankfurt.

Research shows how Lucid dreamers produce the fastest brainwave frequencies ever recorded, gamma brainwaves that operate at 40Hz +(1).*

This suggests that lucid dreamers are more self aware, and are more conscious in this state than compared to a normal state of wakefulness.

We don’t operate anywhere near that frequency (with regards to brain waves) when in our normal wakeful state, and we operate at even lower frequencies during other sleep states.

Research suggests that the existence of gamma brainwaves indicates a totally conscious experience (4), so the experience of being awake within a dream is a very real phenomenon.

This begs the question,*which*state is actually*real?*

Could what we perceive as being fully aware and awake be*the real*dream?

Or are these just different aspects of reality that*we are jumping to and from?

Is our ability to create our own reality easier in a state of lucid dreaming because our brain is functioning at a higher frequency?

What would we be capable*of*if we were able to attain*that frequency without* lucid dreaming?

Would we be able to have instant manifestations like we do in our lucid dreams?

Gamma brainwaves are involved in higher mental activity and consolidation of information.

Operating from this frequency allows our brain to link and process information from multiple parts of the brain(2).

We use more of our brain when we are experiencing lucid dreaming than we do when we are fully awake.

I just found the above on Bobbie Anne Pimm's blog. Here is the whole article

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Lucid Dreamers Produce The Fastest Brainwave Frequencies Ever Recorded | The Mind Unleashed

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I have been thinking about that as well for the past 2 weeks. Perception is what allows us to exprience most of Reality but since perception can be change it's like asking what is really real? What makes waking life any real than a lucid dream? Our parietal lobe usually is always enhance more in LD's which makes the dream look very real. But the same is done with waking life however we do not use it to the extent like in LD's. When people use certain supplements though in waking life it alters their perception and makes the world look just as beautiful as a Lucid dream would. That's why I wonder what makes here real than LD rather than knowing that the other is fake. If someone did reach Gamma brainwaves at 40HZ in waking life would they instanly awaken in the concept that waking life isn't real either?

Originally Posted by ViIe

I have been thinking about that as well for the past 2 weeks.

Perception is what allows us to exprience most of Reality but since perception can be change it's like asking what is really real? What makes waking life any real than a lucid dream?

Our parietal lobe is always enhance more in LD's which makes the dream look very real. But the same is done with waking life however we do not use it to the extent like in LD's.

When people use certain supplements in waking life, it alters their perception and makes the world look just as beautiful as a Lucid dream would.

That's why I wonder what makes here real than LD rather than knowing that the other is fake.

If someone did reach Gamma brainwaves at 40HZ in waking life would they instanly awaken in the concept that waking life isn't real either?

Good thoughts Vile.

I'll post the later part of the article so readers can see where you are coming from.

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Not long ago, researchers led by Richard Davidson, a neuroscientist at The W.M. Keck Laboratory for Functional Brain Imaging and Behavior teamed up with a number of monks and volunteers.

The Dalai Lama even dispatched eight of his most accomplished practitioners to Davidson’s lab to have them hooked up for EEG testing and brain scanning.

These monks come from traditions of meditation for an estimated 10,000 to 50,000 hours, over time periods of 15 to 40 years.

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The monks were fitted with a net of 256 electrical sensors and asked to meditate for short periods, and Davidson was particularly interested in measuring gamma waves, the highest frequency and most important known electrical brain impulses.

The results showed that the electrodes picked up much greater activation of fast moving and usually powerful gamma waves in the monks (3).

The movement of the waves through the brain were far better organized and coordinated.

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Researchers suggest that the very existence of this synchronized gamma indicates that a consciousness experience is occurring.

The gamma wave state is the most sensitive than any other state of consciousness measurable.

Gamma brainwaves are associated with

intelligence,
compassion,
self control and
feelings of natural joy.

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So what can we take away from these discoveries?

The fact that brain activity during the lucid dreaming experience radiates a gamma frequency is extremely significant.

It shows us that our brain is vibrating at a higher frequency, and functioning at a more clear, coherent and* higher state of consciousness than it is when we are awake.*

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The presence of gamma brainwaves illustrates that the people who experience high level lucid dreaming are having a totally conscious experience, within the ‘dream world.’

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Who is to say that when we are lucid dreaming we are not experiencing an alternate reality that operates at a higher frequency?

Maybe higher frequency states allow us to access

alternative timelines,
other dimensions or
aspects of reality.

There are many questions that*dreaming, and more specifically lucid dreaming,*brings to the forefront of our time.

Very little is understood about the phenomenon, but what we do understand is that*

our dreams allow us to create our reality at*a specific*frequency.

As quantum physics continues to elaborate on how consciousness directly shapes our physical/material world, imagine what possibilities exist*in a reality*resonating in the gamma frequency*or higher.

The human race’s potential is limitless.

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Makes sense to me, an LD feels very close to pure awareness, the closest I have gotten to that state while awake is right after meditation and not often.

I consider dreams just as real as waking life, from my personal perspective.
I like to think like this:

Waking life = physical reality
Dreams = mental reality

To be fair they would both be mental realities, which is why you can hallucinate while completely awake, we don't see light directly, it's interpreted through our brains etc...

So dreams are the same except without sensory input, and so rely completely on our memory of our sensory input and our ability to imagine how thing would be regardless of whether we have experienced it or not. Basically simulation, our brains are great at running simulations.

The new virtual reality goggles have nothing on lucid dreaming. =D

Originally Posted by Memm

To be fair they would both be mental realities, which is why you can hallucinate while completely awake, we don't see light directly, it's interpreted through our brains etc...

So dreams are the same except without sensory input, and so rely completely on our memory of our sensory input and our ability to imagine how thing would be regardless of whether we have experienced it or not. Basically simulation, our brains are great at running simulations.

The new virtual reality goggles have nothing on lucid dreaming. =D

When I call dreams "mental realities", I mean that dreams are much less distracted by physical objects.
A dream environment obviously doesn't consist of physical matter, but of our thoughts, wishes and concerns.
That's why I call it a "mental reality" - it is the completely honest "illustration" of everything that is on our mind at that point.