Erin Pavlina method...

[yaya]

Hi! has anyone tried Erin Pavlina method for getting LD? how is it supposed to work? she said we need to keep our eyes open when falling sleep. if needed, we can blink when we want. but we should not allow our eye-lids to be closed until we enter to the dream. it may take many weeks to master in it. my question= i have tried this method for 1 week some months ago and it made my eyes too dry and i couldn't keep them open. how to over-come this? also, how is it possible to enter the dream while our eyes are open? she is one of the LD gurus in the world so her words are not stupid as you may have already thought. thanks!

[mimihigurashi]

I've read some of Erin's articles, I like her work, never knew she had things to say about lucid dreaming though. Keeping your eyes open to LD sounds pretty difficult, to say the least. I know when I'm really sleepy how uncomfortable and reaaaally heavy my eyelids feel. I suppose this method would be for WILD? Rather extreme anchor, if it can be considered an anchor, I mean you could use it to stay conscious (though people can sleep with their eyes open too) for a while until the transition is really close, but then what if right when you close your eyes you black out? Idk..

[insideout]

I've not heard of this. It sounds very difficult and uncomfortable and unnecessary, considering all the other techniques out there that give pretty good results. Though, maybe I should knock it before I try it. I suppose trying to keep your eyes open might help you inadvertently WILD, by staying conscious and focused on the task. Maybe that's how it works. Not sure how to keep eyes from drying while not closing them. Maybe use eye drops beforehand?

[yaya]

thank you very much guys for your complete and accurate answers! they really make sense. yes it is hard. it was mentioned in her site that it was the first method she used for LD when she was teen-agar and then could have LD every night. I may want to try it again with eye-droppers as Insideout said! yes Mimi, my eye lids get very heavy too when sleeping but if it really works then that would be great!

[mimihigurashi]

thank you very much guys for your complete and accurate answers! they really make sense. yes it is hard. it was mentioned in her site that it was the first method she used for LD when she was teen-agar and then could have LD every night. I may want to try it again with eye-droppers as Insideout said! yes Mimi, my eye lids get very heavy too when sleeping but if it really works then that would be great! I don't get why your eyes would get dry.. Why wouldn't we just blink? Does she say something against blinking while doing this technique? And I'm gonna try it too, lol, tomorrow, doubt I'll make it but why not at least try. Btw, do you have a link to the article? I can't find it on her site. PM it to me if it's not allowed to post it here, if you can, thanks.

[yaya]

sure dear Mimi! i PM you the link. for those who want to check her site, you can PM me too or you can copy and paste this sentence in to google and the first link will be her site about LD. it is the sentence you need to copy and paste: " So here's my wife, Erin, on lucid dreaming" LOL. i just chose the first sentence and pasted here. and there is an MP3 about it too. the method is mentioned in the middle of the page i think. --------- she told we can blink but we should not allow our eyes to be closed for a long time to fall sleep. my eyes get dries because i think when we are sleepy, it happens normally to make our eyes even more tired and not be able to open them in order to close them and fall sleep. i don't know...maybe i am the only one who her eyes get dry while falling sleep.

[Gyalogos]

Sometimes I use reverse blinking. My own reverse blinking method is that I open my eyes fast and close them slowly. It makes me faster sleepy. After a time you feel like in the school, after a party, on a boring course. You are unable to open your eyes, and for me, the real WILD begins here.

[mimihigurashi]

Just finished reading the article. You know, it's such a simple concept and it makes sense to me. The closer you get to sleep while being still conscious, the more of that consciousness you will carry with you into sleep. Probably a reason why WILD attempts sometimes result in DILDs? I think it's obvious that this technique should be done with WBTB, since REM is closer and what not, everyone know the deal by now, hopefully.

[yaya]

Sometimes I use reverse blinking. My own reverse blinking method is that I open my eyes fast and close them slowly. It makes me faster sleepy. After a time you feel like in the school, after a party, on a boring course. You are unable to open your eyes, and for me, the real WILD begins here. thank you! i will try the reverse blinking with this method too. sounds like a good combination! Just finished reading the article. You know, it's such a simple concept and it makes sense to me. The closer you get to sleep while being still conscious, the more of that consciousness you will carry with you into sleep. Probably a reason why WILD attempts sometimes result in DILDs? I think it's obvious that this technique should be done with WBTB, since REM is closer and what not, everyone know the deal by now, hopefully. thank you for more clarifications! you are completely right about how it would work! ---------- I have bought eye dropper and can't wait to do it after WBTB. As it takes a lot of time to master it, then i don't report my progress daily and i only post my success with it here.

[mimihigurashi]

thank you! i will try the reverse blinking with this method too. sounds like a good combination! thank you for more clarifications! you are completely right about how it would work! ---------- I have bought eye dropper and can't wait to do it after WBTB. As it takes a lot of time to master it, then i don't report my progress daily and i only post my success with it here. Cool. I know I said I'll try it, but as stupid as this sounds, last night I watched a horror movie that scared me crapless, and the last thing I wanted was to risk having hypnagogic hallucinations of the things I saw in the movie because of this technique xD So I'll try it tomorrow morning, hopefully I'll be less creeped out, lol.

[yaya]

Ha ha. LOL! i understand you as i had some situations like this before. i tried this method plus reverse blinking and i was really light and didn't feel my body after some minutes. to catch these FAs, i am going to write something on a board and put it in front of me while i sleep. so when ever i open my eyes again after having hard time keeping them open, if i am in FA, i can't read the broad so i am in LD.

[mimihigurashi]

Ha ha. LOL! i understand you as i had some situations like this before. i tried this method plus reverse blinking and i was really light and didn't feel my body after some minutes. to catch these FAs, i am going to write something on a board and put it in front of me while i sleep. so when ever i open my eyes again after having hard time keeping them open, if i am in FA, i can't read the broad so i am in LD. Oh damn, I think you're right, I can see how this technique could easily result in FAs, we should be careful and do something like your idea to prevent non-lucid FAs.

[ThreeCat]

Erin Pavlina (and her ex husband, for that matter) have always seemed fake to me. I really don't trust that she is psychic, and I certainly don't think Steve mastered the ubermann sleep schedule. Maybe that is just a lack of trust on my part. Something about them seems sketchy to me, though. Concerning this technique, it might work. Just about every technique seems to have a "first try" success rate. Whether or not it is useful longterm is the real question.

[yaya]

Concerning this technique, it might work. Just about every technique seems to have a "first try" success rate. Whether or not it is useful longterm is the real question. good to mention. so maybe we need some intermediate WILDers to try this method for a while. if the success rate was high for this method in a long time, then we may want to look at this method as a new proper LD technique. i am in and i practice this method for 30 days without any pre-judgment and will tell you after a while how it worked for me.

[ThreeCat]

Yaya your 30 day trials may soon become famous ....

[SearcherTMR]

Erin Pavlina (and her ex husband, for that matter) have always seemed fake to me. I really don't trust that she is psychic, and I certainly don't think Steve mastered the ubermann sleep schedule... ThreeCat, I wanted to ask you, what gave you that idea? I mean, regarding Erin's psychic skills I admit that something is slightly wrong, she might be fraud but I am not sure. About Steve on the other hand and his uberman sleep schedule, I was definitely convinced that he did it. His daily log is so detailed and complete (even extending to long term consequences of his trials) and seemed so real to me that he motivated me to try it - along with other things he talks about. I didn't succeed, but my trial wasn't a proper one - I intend to try this again. What I wanted to ask you is : is this just a feeling, or you definitely know he is lying and story-making - because my feeling is exactly the opposite...

[ThreeCat]

Hey Searcher, sorry it took me so long to get back to you. I do not like Erin's presentation of her astral projection information. Seems to be heavily "for profit," which always spooks me a little. I also remember her mentioning that astral projection is dangerous, which to me is a ridiculous thing to say. Driving your car on the highway is a hell of a lot more dangerous, but I don't need to put up "mind shields" or whatever to do it. So, I'm not incredibly sold on her. ("Mind shields" is my own quote, btw--I did not read what her advice was on how to defend myself from astral creatures. I highly doubt it is necessary to do such a thing). So she just seems like a run-of-the-mill, help-me-contact-grandma psychic. Steve strikes me as a motivational speaker/salesman. I feel like he would probably write anything on his blog that he thought would get him more hits. If I remember correctly, it seemed that he adapted to the Uberman schedule incredibly quickly--within days--which I don't think is possible. He also seemed to underplay the hellish toll such an experience exacts on the body during those few days. His first two days are bad, but he seemed to bounce back really quickly. I believed him at first, but then attempted Uberman, read up on it a bit, and then decided years ago that he probably did not really succeed. It was a very exciting series of blog posts, though, and I'm sure it made him lots of cash. Maybe that is just me being skeptical. So no, I do not have any secret knowledge about Steve Pavlina--just my own powers of discernment, such as they are.

[SearcherTMR]

ThreeCat, thanks for sharing your point of view! I have not read Erin's Astral stuff, but her being psychic podcast was very interesting to listen (a few things were suspicious, but overall I liked it). The belief that astral is dangerous is a very common one among psychics as far as I know, so I am not surprised - although my best guess about it is similar to your view. Regarding Steve, I understand your points, still, I am not convinced. Yes, he did adapt fairly quick, but I believe this is possible for some people - me being one of them (not everyone is the same of course and for most people this is just too hard). My logs during my trials were very similar: an easy first night, a terrible second night, then better every night and by the 5th day I felt well rested and alert even during the night – but then a very tiring day set me back, I caught up by the 8th, and a VERY tiring day ruined my attempt at day 10. I will try this again when I will have at least 2 weeks free of work. So, I think he did it - and if he didn't he is an extremely talented lier and story-maker.... As for money-making, there is a huge difference between doing something you like and earning money because of it, and doing something just for the money. I think Steve falls into the first category - although money is a sweet thing, you can easily change into chasing it...