Thread: Review: Dreaming and Awakening 2015 with Stephen LaBerge

Hey, I heard about this!

*____* Hawaii looks like it was amazing and that nudist hot tub/pool must've been great too XD I imagine you did quite a few reality checks..

Sounds like a great experience. I plan to go one day, maybe I'll be fortunate enough to go with a
buddy like you did. eXistenZ is a great lucid dreaming movie though, kinda like the Matrix or The Thirteenth Floor

Anyway, thanks for sharing, cool read

Thank you for posting such a detailed and well-illustrated description of the site and the workshop! I've long wondered what these retreats are like. It sounds a lot better than I had imagined!

Originally Posted by ThreeCat

Stephen’s lectures centered around the material available in “Exploring the World,” but simply hearing the words from their author provided me with new insights I would not have gotten alone (for instance, I realize I have been doing MILD incorrectly this entire time. I’ve changed my method, and have seen my lucid activity increase). He also shared some of the interesting experiments he has run (anomalous perception in lucid dreams, for instance) and some insight into his own practice, and how he has seen that develop over the years.

Could you explain your new insights about MILD? This has been one of the less effective techniques in my arsenal, so I'm probably doing it wrong too.

Originally Posted by ThreeCat

The workshops were supplemented with two field trips (one to the volcano, and another to the warm springs). In smaller groups, we also made trips into Pahoa, where we raided the bookstore for dreaming books, and out to Hilo, to see the waterfalls.

Did you find any good books?

Originally Posted by ThreeCat

Stephen also has a penchant for dreamy movies, and we watched David Cronenberg’s eXistenZ and Peter Weir’s The Last Wave. Since I am a party pooper (and wanted to get my dream on), I skipped out on the showings (which ran a bit late). I’m sure they were good movies, though, and some of the imagery was incorporated into dreams during the night.

I haven't seen eXistenZ since it first came out, but I remember really liking it. I'm not familiar with The Last Wave... will have to look that up.

Yes please do let us know about the mild unless its secret

Hi, Verre! To answer your question, Wisher, no, it is not a secret. Here were the insights I had:

1.) Eventually, success with MILD should be very easy. Someone asked Stephen if he uses MILD himself. His said no, but also that he didn't need to anymore. He compared it to saying the word 'the': until you know how, perhaps challenging;but once you know how, very easy.

2.) It's not about repeating a mantra! (Ok, I knew this already, but it bears repeating). The power is in vividly reliving a scene, becoming lucid in that visualization, and then resolving to become lucid next time it occurs in a dream. In the visualizing, you should try to feel as though you are actually there--use whatever senses most effectively convey this feeling. For the resolution, use the same faculty you would use in remembering to pick up milk on the way home from work, but really mean it when you say it. Repeat this until you feel your intention is really set.

3. WBTB is super important. I did 30 minute WBTBs during the retreat. I was amazed at how effective this was. Experiment to find what works for you.

I hope this was helpful! It's more or less what he says in EWOLD, but the nuances are important!

And Verre--I picked up Creative Dreaming by Patricia Garfield!

Thanks for sharing, 3Cat; you've ignited many wonderful memories for me!

So, when she was asked, did Keelin happen to say that the N2D2 would be available "Real soon!" ?

... Just from that one paragraph, it looks like DV might have a candidate for the next DVA MILD instructor...

Thanks for the great review, I'd say I was extremely jealous but that would be harmful grasping so I won't . So what's LaBerge's LDing practice like currently? Does he spend effort on it still? He said he doesn't do MILD but does he do WBTB, etc.? Were there any other forum-related people there (from DV or other sites)? Did the people there know about DV?

Is there a pointer to the newsletter in question? Has it been actually published? Does the LI have long-term data on N2D2 use (i.e., how effective is it after the initial "excitement" runs its course)? Do they consider it an every-night device or a dry-spell breaker, etc?

Wow this sounds Totaly great - tobe able to go and experience it

Any words on making an actual evening practice to do each night that REALY keys into setting of intention ect? I am currently learning Mild and Wild

Is there a pointer to the newsletter in question? Has it been actually published? Does the LI have long-term data on N2D2 use (i.e., how effective is it after the initial "excitement" runs its course)? Do they consider it an every-night device or a dry-spell breaker, etc?

Comfort-wise, I would say the device can be worn whenever you want. It's much lighter than the original ND and the ND2. There is an update at Lucidity; just scroll down until you find N2D2. Here is something you will find useful, I think:

The end result is that N2D2 is more like the original DreamLight, the $1200 device released in the 1990s, which, because it had a larger processing unit than the later Nova Dreamer, had greater programming flexibility and ability to store data. It was also easier to use than the less expensive NovaDreamer. With the latest personal computing technology, we can now offer DreamLight level (and well beyond...) sophistication for approximately a tenth of the cost to you. The N2D2 will allow you to personalize your settings, download and view your results, and refine your settings for optimal effectiveness.

They are currently in beta testing. They are also looking for beta testers, and that information is is on the same page. As for Stephen's practice, I really couldn't say. He didn't mention anything in particular. Sorry--that's something that interests me as well. I do think he has reached a stage where he doesn't have to seek lucidity, which must have interesting consequences for one's personal practice.

So, when she was asked, did Keelin happen to say that the N2D2 would be available "Real soon!" ?

Lol, more or less I'm hoping for a quick turnaround. And thank you for your kind comments; I think I could manage that, especially if it was getting folks lucid.

And FryingMan, I was the only DVer there (but not anymore, because I converted some folks)

Patience, I think MILD, coupled with a positive attitude and a little of your username, will bring good results. And you can do it any night you want, providing you have the time.

Ah, that N2D2 update is from February 2014, I thought an update was supposed to be out this month which is what I thought you were referring to, but I guess that's still not out yet.

I'd love to beta test the N2D2 and I think I've signed up at least 2-3 times to be a beta tester on their site but haven't heard back unfortunately.

I wonder, though, if one really can "cruise" on earlier efforts in lucid dreaming, so I was interested if LaBerge is still a frequent LDer or not.

Thank for sharing this ThreeCat!
Very nice read - must have been quite an experience!
...and 9 lucid in 8 days? Wow!
Could you tell us what would be your usual success rate - just for comparison?
And finally some good news about N2D2 release!
I hope - as Frying Man said - that it will prove to be effective even after the initial "excitement period" and of course that it will reach the market quite soon!

ThreeCat, how many times did you use the N2D2 (every night? All night?) on the retreat? How many of your LDs do you attribute to the signaling of the device? Do you recall receiving any signals when you were not asleep? Did you get LDs earlier in the night than your unassisted LD pattern using the device? However much you can tell us considering the NDA would be great.

N2D2? The goalposts keep moving...

According to the Lucidity Institute the release date (by calculation) should have been roughly in late spring 2014.

*INTRODUCING N2D2: Landing sooner than you’ll believe.
We’ll be beta-testing N2D2, the lastest re-reVision of the 7th Generation of our LDIDs at the DA2 program next month in Hawai2. General release is projected for another quarter revolution of the orbit of the home planet.

source via reddit

Compare that with the page displayed now. 'eddit'

Mind you there is not much any competition as iWinks keep pushing the shipping date back which makes me a bit suspicious of the whole Aurora project, as in I think the team behind it have bitten off more they can chew personally.

When is the next part of the soap opera coming I wonder?