Thread: All desperate ones, try this easy trick!

So essentially you are saying to scare someone during the day, in the hopes that they will be lucid during the night? Maybe next time you can run in screaming "FIRE" or "OH MY GOD A MAN WITH A GUN." These are probably better ways to terrify someone that simply saying it's a dream.

This is a really interesting idea, I think it's not just emotion but any significant day event is what we normally dream about.

Maybe before going to sleep think of the current most significant event of the day and use that as a mnemonic link to dreaming? Essentially you're trying to predict what you'll dream about.

I detest all pranks and situations where people are purposefuly shocked or frightened. It is IMO never even "for their own good," and it is absolutely never "funny" or "harmless."

I think i have been somehow misunderstood, but that may be becouse i'm not a native english speaker. I wasn't trying to scare her with saying it's a dream, but a second after i did scare her i'm saying it's a dream to associate a strong emotion with the fact of acknowledging it's a dream. It also may be like Memm said, it is a significant day event that later will be indirectly dreamt of but already tied to the idea of dreaming.

It's not necessarily a significant event that happened, but the emotion behind it. Strong emotions felt during the day sometimes do manifest themselves during dreams. Unfortunately, it's negative emotions like fear that tend to have the most effect on us. I guess this method could work for some people once or twice if they're really desperate, but fear is not something to invoke repeatedly, purposefully, it's unhealthy from many points of view. It's not reliable either, a person might get scared the first time, and maybe the second, but it's unlikely to happen from then onwards.

Yes i agree with you mimihigurashi, but as i said it's a method for desperate, and not a method to use on a regular basis. As i said before i am ld'ing fairly easily but, seeing the example of my girlfriend or some people that post here it's not that easy for everyone, and after a long while, when you keep putting up a lot of work to get an LD, and you still don't have it, you may need this small success to keep yourself going. It must be very hard to get motivated after you spent lot of time trying, but still don't even know what LD feels like.

Strong emotions can indeed manifest in our dreams. But we never realy know what will our subconscious take as a strong emotion.

I have tried it many times. Watching a movie and seeing some beautiful scene or something that I react to strongly and the thought of "this will be in my dreams for sure" crosses my mind. But it almost never does. On the other hand, I very often recognize situations in my dreams as something that was inspired by something from day before. That's when I think "oh really, this is what my subC finds good enough to show me in my dream?". It can be something really insignificant. But insignificant maybe only on the surface. My subC obviously takes things differently than I do conciously.

Happy emotions is what I would recommend as something to associate with RCs. Recall that happy or exciting feeling you felt in your stomach when you heard some good news, or when you suddenly remembered it's Christmas morning, or anything that you can recall. Use that everytime you RC.

I can not agree with associating negative feelings with lucid dreaming. And I very strongly disagree with scaring someone for whatever purpose. I understand, that your goal is not to harm the person you are scaring, and that your intent is a good one. But no matter how you intend it, it will be very unpleasant to the receiving person. Just think of the horror and terror your friend will feel when you rush into the room telling him there are gunman there ready to kill them. Especially since we see that happen on TV practically daily and we all know it is a real possibility for any of us. If i didnt die from heart attack, first thing I would do is kick my "friends" ass and not call him a friend any more.

I agree with pretty much everyone here, LLucido; this is not a good idea. Though your theory is probably sound, the practice of terrorizing someone just to raise an emotion to associate with a RC seems to be overkill defined. Also, unless you're interested in torturing your subject, it is truly a desperate move that could only be used once or twice. Also, scaring people right before bedtime is a fine way to induce nightmares; becoming lucid from such unpleasantness doesn't seem a fair trade to me.

On top of all that, there is also an excellent chance that your success was coincidental, or the true emotion at play here was based more in your girlfriend's interest in becoming lucid than in your attempt to scare her.

And on top of all that, yes, one-time success does equal 100%, but not really: to prove something is effective you need to repeat it successfully many times, and I highly recommend that you do not go there.

tl;dr: this approach might be theoretically sound, but it is likely not a good idea.

I just love the words you use and how you exaggerate, the fact of a little scare. I may have just forgotten to mention that my "terrorized" (lol) girlfriend had a very pleasant LD And my girlfriend's interest didn't help for 3 months, so there's a pretty high chance that what i mentioned before was a factor And as everyone says it may work one or two times, i remind again, it wasn't suppose to work more. I think everyone approached this one, or two time trick for desperate ( as it says in the title ), like i would try to promote it as a whole new way of living Still i really like the fact that it produced some healthy discussion

Originally Posted by LLucido

I just love the words you use and how you exaggerate, the fact of a little scare.

Most pranksters (abusers) usually describe their antics as "harmless." One such moron on another forum thought it would be a hilarious idea to prank an old acquaintance into thinking she may actually be in a coma. She apparently had a tenuous grasp on her reality, and spent the entire night freaking out, and the next day she confronted the guy, he repeated his stupid prank, and she ended up fainting and being taken to the hospital. Hilarious! A little scare! At least in the end he admitted that he "messed up." And there were "aw it was just a harmless prank" comments written about it.

People can die instantly from sudden shock. Just don't do it.

I think you had a very good idea LLucido ! i have thought about this myself...not in the sense of scaring someone, but by deliberately inducing in myself a state of doubt, even mild fear or anxiety, to create the association between unpleasant events and RCs.

The point is: you can induce it yourself too ! And while i don´t think it´s good idea to terrify someone, still one can do some spontaneous weird impromptu with a positive intention

Originally Posted by VagalTone

I think you had a very good idea LLucido ! i have thought about this myself...not in the sense of scaring someone, but by deliberately inducing in myself a state of doubt, even mild fear or anxiety, to create the association between unpleasant events and RCs.

The point is: you can induce it yourself too ! And while i don´t think it´s good idea to terrify someone, still one can do some spontaneous weird impromptu with a positive intention

Absolutely -- say odd things to each other like "well, it's about time to eat the tennis racket." If you both do it, it can place you both in the right state of mind of constantly questioning your state while awake, which is the foundation of great lucid dreaming.

FryingMan you must have a really bad history with pranksters becouse you keep mentioning them, but still i don't get what does it have to do with what i am talking about. Scaring your girlfriend/brother/roomate or whoever with a little boo if they want it to happen has nothing to do with pranking.
As for what you are saying VagalTone i think your heading to a direction of method for more frequent use, and the idea of being able to do it by yourself would make it much more convenient. I think that negative emotions in dreams and maybe in real life may be more intense, so maybe it's possible to create more direct connection between them and RC's. The fact that natural's often learn to be lucid becouse of the nightmares they have as a children, may have something to do with it, and negative emotions whether you want it or not, will pop up in your dreams in one way or another.

No, I've just grown out of the extremely selfish "harmless little scare/prank/boo" mentality. Probably after about 8 years old. I've watched videos from time to time of common "harmless pranks" and observe the people pulling them off seem uniformly cruel and lack empathy. Pranking is a word that encompasses scaring, etc.

Originally Posted by FryingMan

No, I've just grown out of the extremely selfish "harmless little scare/prank/boo" mentality. Probably after about 8 years old. I've watched videos from time to time of common "harmless pranks" and observe the people pulling them off seem uniformly cruel and lack empathy. Pranking is a word that encompasses scaring, etc.

You still don't see the difference of scaring someone with their permission and without it, oh well...

Originally Posted by FryingMan

Absolutely -- say odd things to each other like "well, it's about time to eat the tennis racket." If you both do it, it can place you both in the right state of mind of constantly questioning your state while awake, which is the foundation of great lucid dreaming.

I like that idea to make or imagine odd things happen on purpose - and RC right there !

fear is power in reverse. the great reverse reversal is what someone said is what we should to to open gateways Good luck m8!

Originally Posted by LLucido

You still don't see the difference of scaring someone with their permission and without it, oh well...

You two do however you like, if you have mutual permission for doing so, well, enjoy. I'm writing for the rest of the readers in the hope of preventing a "great idea" of scaring someone who's not expecting it, which can result in very real harm.

Thanks LLucido, it is a little extreme but you did say for all the desperate ones. Not sure how easy it would be to apply for everyone, it may fall into the to hard basket. But can see by activating a sort of fight or "flight" response would focus and lock attention in the mind and if that fear or unease lingered unresolved and is arousing enough to that person's mind it should be dreamed to release resources in the neocortex.
If anchored well with RC's it's possible but seems more of a hard trick than an easy one to me personally but would never say it couldn't work if you got the mix right.

Originally Posted by FryingMan

You two do however you like, if you have mutual permission for doing so, well, enjoy. I'm writing for the rest of the readers in the hope of preventing a "great idea" of scaring someone who's not expecting it, which can result in very real harm.

Wow you are really enthusiastic about not having pranks. Sure, it is usually an ass thing to do but to say that these can cause "very real harm" is an exaggeration. Ya, maybe the person will have a heart attack when you scare them, but if you punch your friend in the stomach they might also die from internal bleeding, and if you are driving with someone else in the car they might die from you crashing, and if you are running you might hit someone and they could die, and if you throw a baseball it could break someone's skull and kill them, and if you make an offensive joke it might cause someone serious trauma because they are hypersensitive, and if you yell something someone might panic and hurt themselves, and if you make fun of someone in a joking way they might take it seriously and commit suicide, and if you are knocking on someone's door they might think you are a criminal and freak out, and....
What I am saying here is that pretty much everything you do could have potentially lethal or permanent repercussions but that is no reason not to do them. Unless you want to be some robot. Again, I agree with you in that it is really uncool to seriously scare someone, but in my prank-filled childhood not once was someone harmed from getting scared.

UPDATE:
So now i come to a conclusion that it may produce a more longer lasting effect then i initially thought. Firstly i have to say, that scary things happend in my girlfriend's dreams from time to time, but it never lead to RC. Tonight it was first time after her last LD ( fueled by seeing a scary person ), that she saw something scary in a dream, (again some kind of zombie like thing ) and immediately after that, she did RC, and got lucid. Before her first lucid she did lots of RC's during the day, but some time before it, she went much more easy on it becouse of being frustrated about no results. So now my point is, that the trick that we used may have created a very strong connection between fear, RC, and the idea that she's dreaming, and i just wonder how long lasting it will be.

Originally Posted by Avian

Wow you are really enthusiastic about not having pranks. Sure, it is usually an ass thing to do but to say that these can cause "very real harm" is an exaggeration. Ya, maybe the person will have a heart attack when you scare them, but if you punch your friend in the stomach they might also die from internal bleeding, and if you are driving with someone else in the car they might die from you crashing, and if you are running you might hit someone and they could die, and if you throw a baseball it could break someone's skull and kill them, and if you make an offensive joke it might cause someone serious trauma because they are hypersensitive, and if you yell something someone might panic and hurt themselves, and if you make fun of someone in a joking way they might take it seriously and commit suicide, and if you are knocking on someone's door they might think you are a criminal and freak out, and....
What I am saying here is that pretty much everything you do could have potentially lethal or permanent repercussions but that is no reason not to do them. Unless you want to be some robot. Again, I agree with you in that it is really uncool to seriously scare someone, but in my prank-filled childhood not once was someone harmed from getting scared.

Pranks are completely unnecessary, usually based (as someone else said) upon a need to assert power over someone else. Riding in a car, throwing a ball all have a primary purpose other than taking sadistic enjoyment from causing needless pain/shock to another and so are poor examples. Yes, you're right you SHOULDN'T punch someone in the stomach.

This is the sort of rationalization used to support bad behavior. "There are any number of ways in which someone could be injured, so why not do <something that could cause harm>?" which is a juvenile sort of reasoning.

Originally Posted by Avian

and if you are driving with someone else in the car they might die from you crashing, and if you are running you might hit someone and they could die, and if you throw a baseball it could break someone's skull and kill them

Are you kidding me? Those are ACCIDENTS, you don't justify purposefully hurting someone with the fact that accidents can happen while doing common, daily things.

Not to derail the thread, but it goes with the strong emotions.

Why not have it be good emotions or neutral emotions rather than bad ones? I can think of ways that I have seen this work on DV, and have applied it to myself, but I think that it would probably be best if done by a lover.

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I just thought of this. Good emotions means that you remember things better (not just in dreams, but in waking as well). We should go around confessing our love to random people on the street and then tell them about DV. lol. Or just tell them that it is a dream afterwards. If they ever see you again, be like "What? That must have been a dream."

In all honesty though, why don't we go around telling people to check if they are dreaming? Cashier, annoying guy driving down the street, people you pass by, and get some shirts that say "Are you Dreaming?"

Also, as far as pranks go, I only do one, and that is to sneak up behind someone and wait until they notice me. Not really like a "jump out and scare you", but a "How the freaking long has he been here?!" I also do the same when people are walking. Walk in sync with them until you are right next to them. works really good if they are on a road all alone. This type of thing isn't going to scare someone or anything, but it will "surprise' them, happily if they like you.