Thread: Can I do drugs and yet still be pretty consistent with my Lucid Dreaming Journey?

I'm not advocating drug use. It's just not on my list as things that necessarily inhibit lucid dreams. I think habitual patterns such as habitual television,gaming are far more detrimental to lucid dreaming than the occasional drug use. I'm just stating that in my experience that it can actually go both ways. There are nootropic drugs which have been proven to be helpful but I guess we are talking about the regular recreational drugs here. Which I think brings in an interesting dimension to the topic of drug-use and lucid dreams.

I want to talk to you guys about Kratom. I've been using it to induce a trance-like state. Sometimes it induces dreams while sitting still for about 5 minutes. The infameous opoid-nod which is capable of actually producing lucid dreams during the drugstate. I feel like deliriants such as Datura might.. And it's a big guess.. be helpful in training the mind when used with proper intent of bringing in lucid awarenss in tropical states of mind.

I have been using Kratom as practice because I find that the symptons are those of WILDs. Which is an interesting state to be in of itself. But for actual lucid dreaming I feel like this is training wheels for the actual moment of WILDing. I haven't used it inactual WBTB but it might be useful. I will do it in the future. It does help in gaining more rest sleeping with kratom. That might indirectly affect lucid dreaming.

Originally Posted by Nfri

Yes, and then you go to sleep.

Let me make clear, I have had success doing anywhere from 100-250mcgs taken in the afternoon. Just after taking a light meal. Then I go around my day like normal. Just being more into music and talking more expressively. Taken this way it notably increases mental ability. I have no trouble finding the bathroom. It gets troubling finding a sense of self over a mg (which i done only once. will do it again when i feel ready. for those who know what it's like) but I feel that's an awareness problem not the drug that causes it.

After the trip is over. A small bump of Ketamine while lying down in the post-lsd brain chemistry triggers Sleep paralysis consistently. This I belief is related to overcoming sleep paralysis and gaining 100% lucidity, i'm not talking memory access that is a different beast but lucidity was for the full duration of sleep and entrance are in the form of WILDs. With the exception of the last 2 hours of sleep after writing down a lucid dream. Those have been non-lucid.

Originally Posted by lunagoddess

I don't do drugs but I would venture to guess that anything that interferes with your baseline waking level of conscious awareness will be counterproductive to lucid dreaming. Furthermore, taking something that distorts your perception of reality and waking life would make it harder to distinguish dreams from reality.

I beg to differ, I'm thinking that baseline consciousness is what is counterproductive to lucid dreaming. Unless you are having lucid dreams right now you need a shift on consciousness. Mind-altering drugs are just one of many ways to shift a consciousness.

Coffee is a mildly powerful mind-altering substance. I tend to argue that drinking coffee every day will diminish chances of lucid dreaming. But once in a blue moon it can actually trigger lucid dreams and it can be very effective.

Originally Posted by Dthoughts

I have been using Kratom as practice because I find that the symptons are those of WILDs. Which is an interesting state to be in of itself. But for actual lucid dreaming I feel like this is training wheels for the actual moment of WILDing. I haven't used it inactual WBTB but it might be useful. I will do it in the future. It does help in gaining more rest sleeping with kratom. That might indirectly affect lucid dreaming.

Let me make clear, I have had success doing anywhere from 100-250mcgs taken in the afternoon. Just after taking a light meal. Then I go around my day like normal. Just being more into music and talking more expressively. Taken this way it notably increases mental ability. I have no trouble finding the bathroom. It gets troubling finding a sense of self over a mg (which i done only once. will do it again when i feel ready. for those who know what it's like) but I feel that's an awareness problem not the drug that causes it.

After the trip is over. A small bump of Ketamine while lying down in the post-lsd brain chemistry triggers Sleep paralysis consistently. This I belief is related to overcoming sleep paralysis and gaining 100% lucidity, i'm not talking memory access that is a different beast but lucidity was for the full duration of sleep and entrance are in the form of WILDs. With the exception of the last 2 hours of sleep after writing down a lucid dream. Those have been non-lucid.

The quantities that you are describing sound miniscule. Were you using some kind of insanely concentrated kratom extract? Kratom in its natural state is the leaf of a tree native to Southeast Asia, and the most basic, probably safest way to take it is simply to ingest the dried powdered leaf... but those doses are measured in grams, not milligrams or micrograms. I've tried this a handful of times and wouldn't describe the results as a "trip" in any meaningful sense, just a faint body high and occasional mild euphoria, though I've mainly limited my experimentation to small doses (2-3g) of powdered leaf. The one time I experimented with a larger amount (7g) I found myself motivated to start a painting, which I hadn't done in years, so there might be a connection with creativity. However, I also found that kratom consistently inhibited sleep (as well as appetite) while the effects were active and had no discernible effect on my dreaming.

Pretty much the only drugs I've found that have successfully worked synergistically with lucid dreaming techniques on a regular basis are over-the-counter supplements: Alpha-GPC (a choline variant), piracetam (a nootropic), Bacopa monnieri (an herb), and of course galantamine, though it's not my favorite. I doubt if any of these things would impose a lucid dream on their own—after all they are taken by many people for completely unrelated reasons—but they can slightly improve your chances to get lucid when combined with good motivation and technique. For whatever reason, it appears that the major illegal or recreational drugs don't seem to work nearly as well to boost lucid potential, maybe because they alter brain chemistry too powerfully. Dreaming is a delicate thing.

Originally Posted by Verre

The quantities that you are describing sound miniscule. Were you using some kind of insanely concentrated kratom extract? Kratom in its natural state is the leaf of a tree native to Southeast Asia, and the most basic, probably safest way to take it is simply to ingest the dried powdered leaf... but those doses are measured in grams, not milligrams or micrograms.

He is referring to LSD dosing

He seems to have a misconception of how much is in his tabs, or is not as effected as most.
100mcg= euphoria, vibrations, closed eyes patterns, heavy intoxication
250 mcg= true hallucinations, surfaces breathing with swiglly lines or such on surfaces including the air, intense closed eyes images, some open eyed morphing of objects
1 mg= time meaningless and twisted, fully modified visual field with brazen hallucinations, inability to function on most levels