Quote Originally Posted by Sivason View Post
Exactly, tips on The Art of Falling Asleep.




Ideally you are already so close to sleep in DEILD that such methods would not be needed. I still would avoid thinking however. You can still follow Sageous' method with out literally thinking, as in a running inner monologue. He says focus on your dream. Focus does not need to mean talking to yourself in your head. For example, say I was having a dream about walking in the park and enjoying the feel of sunshine on my face.

One approach that I would personally avoid goes like this: Thinking to self- "OK, time to try this. Where was I? I was in a park. What park? I don't recall. Think, did it look familiar? Was anyone there? Ok, no info. What was I doing? I was walking. Was someone with me? Not that i recall. What else? The sun' I remember feeling the sun on my face. Ok, park, walking, sun on face. Park, walking, sun on face. Why am I still awake? --- In my opinion this is ok to begin with, but is less productive than it could be with practice in not thinking.

Second approach (how I would do it): Imagines a green park like generic setting. Feels the rhythmic tactile feelings involved in walking. Novice = imagination, advanced = developed visualization skills. Feels sun on face, just as before imagination or good visualization. Walks in imagination through a generic park enjoying the sun. Physical body disappears. Images come into focus. Begin LD.




1) Exactly! See above. However it does not need to be high presence non lucid. If you barely recall anything automatically just visualize any dream scene like my walk in the park, or take the vaugest fragment and run with it. In my experience it will be the mental work of attempting true recall that might over stimulate you, preventing a rapid return to sleep.

2) High level of training required (decade +) and maybe natural physiology. Link to related paper on nREM lucid proof
hello Sivason, hope you're well. so i had 2 questions for you. Lets say i woke up from a dream, and i am trying to DEILD, now lets take your dream for example.
in the dream i only walked through the park and saw the sun, thats it. i didnt feel the sun on my face and neither did i feel the wind on my skin. while DEILDing can i imagine these sensations? because i dont really have a lot of stuff to put my mind to.

my second question for you is about WILD, i tried it a few hours ago during a late afternoon nap, and i felt these vibrations/buzz/goosebumps in my head, they lasted for about 5 seconds, my heart rate was high, but i kept my breathing to a perfect normal rate, however i swallowed and the sensation stopped. i also remember feeling a little dizzy in those seconds. could you please analyse and tell me what i should do from here to get a lucid, and how close i'm, what should i improve?

thanks a lot!!