Thread: The Guide To End All Guides -{wild}- Discussion

Nice guide Billybob, nice guide. Yet another Billybob creationg. I'll try this technique sometime soon. Maybe tonight.

Do you think WILDing is the right choice for noobs or should we try to gain LD through other techniques first?

I have been practicing WILDing before going to bed and have felt the tingleing sensation mentioned above, my breathing becomeing shallow, and it feels like my tong is swelling to fill my entire mouth.

Unfortunatly I don't have a regular sleep pattern and I have to share a room with my brother so I can't be setting my alarm for 5 in the morning. When I go back to school I'll give it my full attention.

Do you think it would help at all to continue practiceing throughout the rest of the summer before returning to school?

This is a great tutorial, Thankyou

I must have read this guide about 40 times by now, thanks for the help BillyBob

But I have a question, I have an awful sleep pattern, I can never get to sleep at times like 11pm and 12pm, I usually get to sleep at about 6am but I always get around 9-10 hours sleep anyway so basically my day is extremely short, but when you say go to bed at 11 and get up at 3 can I do the equivalent of this in my later houred sleep, let's say I go to bed at 6 and get up at 10 would this have pretty much the same effect or does time going to sleep matter and I should sort out my times when I go to sleep?

Thanks,
Me.

I have a question about a problem that I have. I'm not sure how many people share this problem with me, but I need my mind to wander to fall asleep. It's basically just have your mind think about random garbage, which links to other random garbage, which links again and again and again and again until either A. I regain conciousnous and forget what I was thinking about, or B. I fall asleep. When I'm really tired, my mind will almost always wander. This was never really a problem for me, except now that's I've started trying to LD. First, I've tried FILDing a bit. I've played with my fingers wierdly for an hour, but all it did was make me more awake and waste sleeping time. When I try to VILD, either my mind wanders and I fall asleep, or I spend an hour visualizing, nothing happens, and I just give up and try to fall asleep.

All I want to know is if you think WILDing is different, because you fall asleep conciously. I've done sort of half-assed WILD attempts before I slept at all, and I don't really get anything. I sit in bed for around 20 minutes doing the 61 point method while my mind goes everywhere after 2 or so points and then I will try and gain conciousness again and get back on track. Sometimes my arms will kinda fell heavy, but that's only because I haven't moved them for a while. I get some blobs of colour in my vision, but it only looks as if I were pushing on my eyes.

I'll try it anyways, but I want to know if I should get my hopes up.

Last night, I went to bed at 11 and woke up at 5. I went to the bathroom and right away tried WILDing.... unfortunately at about 50 my mind started to wander and I fell asleep.

On a bright side, I managed to get 2 lucid dreams that night

...And the same thing happened last night. I fell asleep while sort of trying to WILD and I got 2 lucid dreams

Originally Posted by megabenman

I have a question about a problem that I have. I'm not sure how many people share this problem with me, but I need my mind to wander to fall asleep. [/b]

I know this isn't the way the OP said to do it, but you can use this to WILD very effectively. Instead of concentrating/focusing on relaxing, focus on your daydreams (whats daydreaming but for night?). Don't judge them or think about them, just let your mind wander over any topic it wants (sounds like you can do this just fine =D). You might find yourself keeping consciousness a little longer each time you do this, as your attention is being held by something (just like in normal WILD).

Eventually you'll get to a point, where you're very close to sleep, that your mind starts to get very inventive. Suddenly your thinking gets a whole lot more abstract, and whatever you're visualising (not in the 'seeing' sense) seems a little more focused. This is a queue to start directing your minds wandering towards something concrete - like an object or a physical activity. You don't need to be able to see it - for some reason in this state concepts are things you can interact with.

Whatever pops into your head, try to concentrate and feel the physical sensation of it. If its an object pick it up and play with it, throw it around. If its physical activity do it with a high intensity. If you've imagined a place, interact with it. At some point you realise "hey... I'm actually doing/feeling/seeing/interacting with x". Either you're already in a dream, or you're close enough that it doesn't matter.

Hope this made sense.

-spoon

ps. In case this made it seem really easy, there are a few difficulties. You need to be able to realise you're in a place where daydreams get a little realer, manage to visualise something AND interact with it - all without thinking about it. I find that thinking "woah, I'm doing/thinking/feeling x" too soon snaps me out of it. Meditation is good practise for this skill, as you're never judging your thoughts - just letting them occur.

I can't even control my thoughts without failing to fall asleep, how am I going to do that?

hehe

It's not that bad because you don't need to actually be practising WILD to do it. I usually don't induce lucid dreams so if I do this it's just because I realise I'm at that special mental place where it's possible. And it's not that hard once you get to that place . You don't have to control your thoughts as much as latch onto whatever pops into your head and interact with it.

I think the point of my last post, however obfuscated, was that if you're having trouble controlling your thoughts - use that to your advantage. Concentrate on your minds wandering and you'll arrive at a dream just like a more traditional WILD.

-spoon

But the thing is... If I think conciously about my thoughts, I can't fall asleep. It isn't until I unlatch my conciousness that I can continue to have my mind wander. So I can't concentrate on my mind wandering... otherwise it really isn't wandering, it's more like me controlling my thoughts.

And since I'm supposed to keep my mind wandering anyways, it's like falling into an unconcious sleep, I don't see what seperates it from the normal sleep.

Hmm... it all made sense in my head!

I'll think about how I do it and see if I can come up with a better explenation. Maybe if you think it less as concentrating on your thoughts as being aware of your minds wanderings? Come to think of it, that took me ages to get my head around...

Guess I should figure out how I do something before I try and explain it eh..

-spoon

Whoa, this is a big ass guide. The sheer size of it poses a problem though I bet within a week of this getting stickied newbies will resume posting their WILD questions....

Originally Posted by megabenman

But the thing is... If I think conciously about my thoughts, I can't fall asleep. It isn't until I unlatch my conciousness that I can continue to have my mind wander. So I can't concentrate on my mind wandering... otherwise it really isn't wandering, it's more like me controlling my thoughts.

And since I'm supposed to keep my mind wandering anyways, it's like falling into an unconcious sleep, I don't see what seperates it from the normal sleep.
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You may allow your mind to wander while being conscious. To do so allow your mind to freely visualize. It may be subtle at first - check the back of your mind for images or patterns. Focus your attention on it and allow it to change and morph unchecked. You may start this by visualizing some object (I use a big container ship) and letting go. Notice how there are different images and patterns appearing where once was your visualization of the ship. If you "tune in" this free visualization channel you let go of your body, see HI as it will appear (some visualizations will be stable so you will be able to look around them as if they are glued to the back of your eyelids). I used this method to explore near dream states, it is very good once you get a hang of it.
I was able to do this with my roommate playing games on his noisy ass computer....

umm i lay there 4 ages doing wat you said n all and i hear like noises... idk if there like cats out side or its in my head but thay scared the hell out of me n i jump up and wreck it lol i like get worryed caz ive red about people seieng imiges n hearing sounds n im worryed theyl be unplesent so i frighten my self awake sad.. but true.. any ideas?

im really tierd and about 2 go to sleep with that brain wave thing and see what happens so if this dosent make sence im sorry i shouldt type so tierd i guess then lol

Wow, this is a very nice tutorial, or at least it should be. The sheer detail of it helps a lot.
Thanks

Originally Posted by Ev

You may allow your mind to wander while being conscious. To do so allow your mind to freely visualize. It may be subtle at first - check the back of your mind for images or patterns. Focus your attention on it and allow it to change and morph unchecked. You may start this by visualizing some object (I use a big container ship) and letting go. Notice how there are different images and patterns appearing where once was your visualization of the ship. If you "tune in" this free visualization channel you let go of your body, see HI as it will appear (some visualizations will be stable so you will be able to look around them as if they are glued to the back of your eyelids). I used this method to explore near dream states, it is very good once you get a hang of it.
I was able to do this with my roommate playing games on his noisy ass computer....
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I usually will imagine a cartoon scene before going to bed, and eventually another thought pops in and my mind wanders. Usually a few times I'll realize my mind is wandering so I'll visualize another cartoon scene to get my mind back into wandering mode....

Well, I'll try what you said, but I still want to see what happens if I don't let my mind wander (as in focus on something). Maybe.... since I'm falling asleep conciously I can WILD successfully....

Massive Update.

--Just finished a big update for the tutorial, changed the font, color scheme, and other screw ups.

--Also added a whole new WILDing method, I've tried to rework the topic post so that I can add even more methods in the future



tell me if you like it more or less with the new colors and font

it would be helpful if you could also tell me if you see anything that makes it hard to understand (I rearranged it and added a bunch of new material... I wouldn't doubt that there's some weirdly placed sentences in there that I missed

Anyway I still have a hard copy of how it was, so tell me if its better or worse than before

PS. I just read some of the posts before this one, can we please keep this thread clean of talking about methods other than the ones discussed in the topic post? It's gonna get pretty messy in here if everyone starts trying to teach people how they personally WILD. (make a separate topic for that)
I don't mean to be an ass or anything, I just don't want this topic cluttered

OK, I tried the breathing method just like you said. A few really weird things happened. First, I felt an itch and a point of pressure near my nose, it was like someone had pressed their fingertip against it. Second, I felt an itch and tingle in my ear that went back and forth that just wouldn't go away. It felt like a bug in my ear. The weirdest thing was that that parts of my body seemed to move even though they really didn't go anywhere. Like my left leg was slanted upwards and my right one was slanted downward so one foot was two feet higher than the other one. Also, the right one was turned to the side. My left arm was completely sideways and the hand shoud've been off the bed from where it felt like it was. My right arm was in an impossible position right below me. My body was curved and my neck tilted to the side. I didn't feel it actuallly happen, every so often I noticed it got a little weirder. This has to be SP. It's hard to describe, it's like the parts of the bed that I could feel somehow got scrambled.

Originally Posted by Gemini

OK, I tried the breathing method just like you said. A few really weird things happened. First, I felt an itch and a point of pressure near my nose, it was like someone had pressed their fingertip against it. Second, I felt an itch and tingle in my ear that went back and forth that just wouldn't go away. It felt like a bug in my ear. The weirdest thing was that that parts of my body seemed to move even though they really didn't go anywhere. Like my left leg was slanted upwards and my right one was slanted downward so one foot was two feet higher than the other one. Also, the right one was turned to the side. My left arm was completely sideways and the hand shouldve been off the bed from where it felt like it was. My right arm was in an impossible position right below me. My body was curved and my neck tilted to the side. I didn't feel it actually happen, every so often I noticed it got a little weirder. This has to be SP. It's hard to describe, it's like the parts of the bed that I could feel somehow got scrambled.
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Yeah some crazy sensations can happen when doing WILD, The weirdest one for me was when my left arm was coming out of my head, and at the same time I didnt have any legs

People always talk about "ooooh, I saw floating balls of light!" but yet you hardly ever hear anything about the crazy sensations you can get

Wow. I've never had anything that drastic happen, but I have had a few times where my arms felt like they merged with my torso.

I've been having a few small problems of my own...

1.) While I'm lying there counting, my legs or arms will twitch and completely screw me up. You said if you moved then you we're pretty much screwed for that night, would involuntary movements count? =S

2.) With both techniques, so far, by the time I've counted to 60-65 this small pinpoint of pressure comes up on my right side, about the middle of my ribs. Now, if it stayed like that, I'd be fine, but around 70 it becomes the insanely annoying tickle/itch UNDER my skin right in that area...I don't think it's humanly possible to ignore how that feels.

There's one thing I dont get about WILDing...

when I tried it the other day (and when it lead to my first LD) I just did so, because I woke up for a few seconds (blanket being pulled away by wife) and figured it might work.

I never got up, did not drink anything a.s.o. and it worked perfectly alright. I had been asleep for five hours though (saw that after I woke up from the LD). BTW I did not see things (not the visual kind of guy, maybe), but I had this feeling of falling backwards through my mattress into my dream bed and bam...

so, when I know that it actually worked without getting up, why should I?
I mean, what is it important for and is there a slight chance that it might work on anyone without getting up and staying awake for an hour or so?

Originally Posted by dreamMeUp

There's one thing I dont get about WILDing...

when I tried it the other day (and when it lead to my first LD) I just did so, because I woke up for a few seconds (blanket being pulled away by wife) and figured it might work.

I never got up, did not drink anything a.s.o. and it worked perfectly alright. I had been asleep for five hours though (saw that after I woke up from the LD). BTW I did not see things (not the visual kind of guy, maybe), but I had this feeling of falling backwards through my mattress into my dream bed and bam...

so, when I know that it actually worked without getting up, why should I?
I mean, what is it important for and is there a slight chance that it might work on anyone without getting up and staying awake for an hour or so?
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Everyones different, some people need an hour, while others need only a few seconds (of wakefulness)

I recommend you just wake for a few seconds (don't get up or anything) and do whatever technique
If that doesnt work for you, stay up longer (it may have been that you woke into SP, which would make WILDing 1000x easier)

Originally Posted by dreamMeUp

I've been having a few small problems of my own...

1.) While I'm lying there counting, my legs or arms will twitch and completely screw me up. You said if you moved then you we're pretty much screwed for that night, would involuntary movements count? =S

2.) With both techniques, so far, by the time I've counted to 60-65 this small pinpoint of pressure comes up on my right side, about the middle of my ribs. Now, if it stayed like that, I'd be fine, but around 70 it becomes the insanely annoying tickle/itch UNDER my skin right in that area...I don't think it's humanly possible to ignore how that feels.
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Just quit noticing it, I know your thinking "OMFG! HE HAS NO IDEA WHAT IM TALKING ABOUTZORS!!1!!!!11" but I really do

When you start to feel it focus harder on your breathing and try to ignore it at all costs. totally quit thinking about it, when it starts to itch more don't let it have your attention, start yelling in your head "BREATH IN!!!! BREATH OUT!!!!" eventually it'll go away and not come back

Bump! I got great success with this method last night and I want to share it.

I thought my update killed this topic
glad to see it didnt though

Which technique did you use?

Originally Posted by BillyBob_001

I thought my update killed this topic
glad to see it didnt though

Which technique did you use? [/b]

Oh sorry. This is a late reply, but I used the second. I have good HI so this was a very good tech for me. TY