Thread: Inducing Trance To Wild - Part 1

I'm gonna try this during the afternoon.

How do I know when to stop reverse blinking? Does it just happen?

I usually sleep with a mask on, so I'll have to take that off tonight, reverse blinking sounds awesome, entering a state of trance is awesome.

Armin van Buuren is pretty cool too.

wow man this is really mind blowing...literally

Did you try it out and have success? Or is the idea of it mind blowing?

I'm always looking for more people who like this technique. I think it is highly underrated.

yeah and it is very relaxing ...i feel so peacefull and i can see thing vividly...
its amazing

Thanks, it's going to help me get into SP even faster!

how important is it to be able to focus on somthing. because i look at a plain ceiling. i was doing the Rb for about 10 mins and i started to falter, o got distracted/started to fall asleep, but id snap out of it, and as i did i got a slight rush of the body, id start RB again, but find it hard to focus, as i had nothing to focus on

I use reverse blinking in addition to a small mental visualization task. It sounds like it is working for you, Pond Weed. I use reverse blinking as a relaxation technique to get super relaxed (almost asleep/ in a trance). Try pairing it with an easy visulaization or memory excercise to keep from losing consciousness. At the height of my WILD, when I am starting to get real spaced out, I will alternate between the reverse blinking and a visualization. It is like bouncing back and forth between concentration and relaxation, teasing yourself into a dream.

thanks for the reply Robot Butler.

one thing i should say is im very new to LDing + WILD's. so when i go to bed to attempt one i am pretty excited and very sensitive of what is happening to me, i assume thats not such a good thing.

i tried it again, but this time put LUCID on a piece of paper on the ceiling and had a little light in the room, so everytime i blinked i saw the word LUCID, which helped me focus.

i have a clock that ticks so id count to 5 with the clock ticks, and open my eyes. it was after about 10 mins my hand went numb.
about another 5 mins passed and, without realising, stopped the blinking. very shortly i would realise 'oh no iv stopped blinking' and snap back to reality, and get a rush of nerves all up the body.
this happened twice and i rolled onto my side and gave up.

from this experience + what you said, i think i have figured it out:

during the day we get random thoughts / images, but we shrug them of easily as we are busy with important things.
we get these random thoughts / images throughout the day including when we go to bed. but as we start to go through the stages of the begining of sleep, these random thoughts / images get harder and harder to shrug off, until the thoughts become to overwhelming for the concious mind to handle, and we get whisped of into sleep.

and the mind exersises are a way of letting these random thoughts pass 'around' us.


how about this metaphor:

you are standing in a dry riverbed, water starts to come (random images + thoughts), the water gets stronger until it eventualy snatches you away. into SLEEP.
but a WILD is where we create a protective bubble, so the water can flow around us. and these mind exersises you speak of are a way of creating a bubble.

-am i anywhere on the right track?

-what are some of these mind exersises you do?
-because i dont think my LUCID sign was provoking enough 'stimulation'.

thanks for the Help

It sounds like you were really close to a successful WILD. Those vibrations you mentioned are normally a sign of oncoming sleep. If you can ride out a few rounds of that weird energetic feeling, a dream should be right around the corner.

Also, make sure you are not attempting this when you first go to sleep at night. It is nearly impossible to WILD right before bed. You should be doing a Wake Back To Bed of some sort after 3-5 hours of sleep. When you first go to sleep at night, you are nowhere near a dream cycle. The best you can hope for is to WILD into a NREM dream, or a very brief unsatisfying REM cycle.

I like your metaphor for sleep washing over you like a flash flood. There are all sorts of little tricks you can do to stay aware. You just have to figure out what works for you. Personally, I like to imagine myself doing a simple, tactile task over and over. Something that engages a sense of movement and motion, and is easily accessible from memory. I don't like to have to spend too much brain power inventing the visualization.

oh i think i see now.

the way i described how i got the rush of nerves / tinglies when i snapped back. those feeling wernt happening 'Because' i was snapping back, but rather they were already happening, and im simply realising them as i snap back to wakfullness.

but thats the problem, i loose conciousness, the body starts to enter SP (ie, the tinglies), my subconciousness, realising iv lost consiosness, slams on the breaks. and i snap back awake.

thats what the few seconds of tingles is as i snap back, its the SP 'disapearing'.

so this tactile imagine exersise you speak of, how do you not get lost in the image of the exersise and fall asleep.
because with me, if i imagine myself doing somthing, the image gets stronger and stronger until i dissapear into sleep (it absorbs me). like the current getting stronger metaphor.

how do you keep the scenario 'stable'

I've tried quite a few WILD methods, but none of them has seemed to have any effect. Yesterday, however, I tried RB for the first time, and I think I was close to entering a dream. I did the blinking until I felt like falling asleep. I don't know what happened next, but I was away for some time, and when I came back, I find myself shaking (vibrating) and a square image slowly appeared infront of me. This scared the crap out of me and I opened my eyes. I think my next step is to learn to stay calm and control my fear upon entering the dream.

i think the trick to staying calm is:

-know whats going on (thats probably why your on DV)

-the more you do it, the calmer you will be, it will seem more normal

Yep, I'll surely get it right after some practice. Now I'm off to bed to give it another go. Good night!

Check out Clairity's WILD guide for some good tips on how to enter a dream from that tingly / vibration state. Especially this part of her guide:

http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...415#post746415

I just have a quick question regarding the SP and vibrations stage. I can get into SP and see minor HI but nothing great. My basic question in, do i just relax and let it strengthen with time? Or is there something i have to do to make it stronger?

Just be persistent with whatever you are doing in your WILD. SP is not a goal in itseslf. It is just a step along the way to a successful WILD. If it happens, take it as a good sign that you are on the right track. If it doesn't, keep going anyways. Not evey WILD has SP, and not every SP leads to a WILD.

Okay thanks, It varies from night to night, sometimes i see good HI and really feel the vibrations and get skimp glimpses of dream scenes and others i just can do it at all or i have little to no feedback. I use the Trance Induced WILD method (reverse blinking if you've heard of it) It basically just relaxes the body and makes the transition into SP much quicker and easier.

I recently incidentally found a way to WILD which I call "Play-Dead-ILD" about which I made this Topic: http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=73294

I don't believe this forum is accessible to all members so to briefly explain it in a nutshell;

One night I just went to sleep with nothing on my Mind and incidentally ended up in this strange state of consciousness I can only explain as the ultimate surrender. I relaxed to teh max, physically and Mentally. As though I was impersonating a Coma-Patient. behaving as if Unconscious, while actually being still conscious. This induced a Trance that sped up the onset of Dreams significantly: In about 15 minutes. This was so fast that my Consciousness hand't even faded out yet, So I was able to enter a Dream lucid.

This has been a very effective trance-method for me.
It's as if when one is not just physically non-responsive, but also mentally non-responsive, acting like being totally apathic and unconscious, ignoring itches, thoughts, igoring all external and internal impulses, while being conscious enough and ready to jump out of your Coma-state and raise your consciousness again once inside a Dream.

Okay, I tried this Method last night.. and I didnt read the entire thing properly I guess, so I started straight of doing reverse blinking, it felt weird, I just went to sleep.

But I had some awesome dreams! they were pretty good! there was one particular *wink* *wink* dream there.
I got up and tried it again, and same thing, some pretty good ones, but I dont think I felt like I was in control in any of those though.

So what do I focus on? like, how long should my eyes be open? one sec? two sec? wait till my image clears up?

I have an Idea.

This can be used in combination with an RC.
First you use a trance technique, Playing-dead, Reverse blinking or otherwise to induce Trance( so dreams start sooner ) then you do Reverse blinking and while you're at it you could do an RC. If you were to paint or paste a symbol on the sealing with the words Lucid Dream written under it, you could use that as an RC everytime you're reverse blinking. Open eyes, Read, close eyes, open eyes again and read tocheck if it still says the same.

ha, that exactly what iv done (the LUCID sign in ceiling), but iv only had one attempt at a WILD at 4 in the morning. i set a reminder on my phone to wake me up at that time with the message 'Time for a Lucid Dream' (great techniqe by the way chaps, very motivating). but when the alarm rang i accidently pressed 'sleep' instead of 'off' so after 10 mins i started to feel relaxed and that bloody alarm went of again. i gave up, very anoyed.
but seeing LUCID everytime i blink helps a lot. but it did feel a bit like an empty word after a while, its the same with any word after you keep thinking it / saying it after a while it looses its meaning. a poster which invoked a mental exersise would be good, i cant think what though

What does sythix mean when he says "bring awareness to your feet and feel them relaxing and letting go of any tensions" how do you bring your awareness?

He just means relax yourself starting from the feet up.