Thread: How to VILD effectively

Originally Posted by Brassfire

Those of you who are having trouble seeing an actual picture when attempting to visualize don't blame it all on yourself.

People who are more left-brained don't see in pictures as easily, but they can sense it more.

On the flip side people who are more right-brained tend to see in pictures.

I don't agree with the left vs. right analysis. They both must work together to create visual spaces. Scientific study has shown this.

The only superiority that the right brain would have is in plain painting shapes on you mind's eye which is NOT what we're trying to achieve.

Hello Arby - Great tutorial, and I`m minutes away from going away and trying it.
I`ve read a WILD tutorial by BillyBob ( the one where he explains about the cavemen) and he said you need an anchor - be it pain, a noise, etc.
I was thinking if your tech needs an anchor to the real world as well. And if so , can I put on my headphones and listen to music while I fall asleep or is that just TOO distracting?

Hi, Azuraos =)

No, music won't be too distracting. I know exactly what thread you're talking about and i've talked with billybob about the whole anchor thing. Truthfully, the visualization itself should anchor you.

But music can aid visualization, especially if it's pure instrumental. (Not recommended if it's not). If you build a scene to the feeling of the music, it can help the structure of it greatly.

Thanks alot, I`ll continue WILD`ing since this is the method for me.. (sadly) because 90% of my dreams are nightmares , short and violent.
So I can`t really stop and do reality checks when the first thing I see is one of my relatives being mauled to death, or myself falling as soon as I`m dreaming.
I will start a dream journal (which will look a bit like a Stephen King novel - if he were on crack) for my dream recall - and get my damn dream world under control
Thanks again for a great guide, please keep it up I`ll let you know my progress with this.

Originally Posted by Azuraos

I will start a dream journal (which will look a bit like a Stephen King novel - if he were on crack)

Seriously though, this is a brilliant technique. I tried it yesterday, and got closer than ever to dreaming consciously. My scene is a beach, I imagine my feet sinking into the wet sand, the waves washing around my ankles, etc.
It also got rid of my main problem, my need to swallow. It kept my focus. Eventually though, I gave up with school looming over me. Gonna try again tonight, I'll keep you posted!

P.S. So in essence this is all about keeping you occupied during SP, right?
and controlling your first dream location?

also, sorry for double posting, but when you are visualizing, can it be in 3rd person view?

im definatly trying this tonight

ok i tried this tex last night,heres what happened:

i fond a confortable position,and i started breathing,then i started visualaseing,i did like 3 diferent scenarios,anyway my main problem was,i was for the most of the time imagining in 3rd person,and tried to keep in 1st person,witch was very hard,anyway at one point when i felt i couldn't concentrate anymore at all(this is usually how it goes for me),a bright flash of light came from the upper left corner of my view,by that point i almost "fogot" that i had a body,and started to hear my hearth beat fast,and i just felth lighter and more distanced from my body,then i continued to do what i have done up till now,and at one point i went to relax from my imagining for a second,stepped back,and then i was ling face down outside,and i felt the suns rays shine on my and i saw them as i turned,as this was happeneing,i saw the dream in 3rd person aswell and 1st,and a lot of images when trough my head as it happened,then i realised,IM IN A DREAM!!!then it pushed me back one step back to the visualisation(during all this time i heard my brother clicking on the mouse and other noises,so that might have been a problem,that was one of two things reminding me that i was still in my own body,and reminding me to feel that i had a body)anyways i gave up,and i went to write what happened down,and it felt as if i was still asleep

thx for reading,plz tipz etc

GREAT TUTORIAL!

Originally Posted by Apopholis

also, sorry for double posting, but when you are visualizing, can it be in 3rd person view?

Yeah, sure. 3rd person for sight works. That is, as long as your other senses (mainly tactile) feel as if they are in the first person. I think it might even be the phenomenon of tactile capture.

Originally Posted by konj

ok i tried this tex last night,heres what happened:

i fond a confortable position,and i started breathing,then i started visualaseing,i did like 3 diferent scenarios,anyway my main problem was,i was for the most of the time imagining in 3rd person,and tried to keep in 1st person,witch was very hard,anyway at one point when i felt i couldn't concentrate anymore at all(this is usually how it goes for me),a bright flash of light came from the upper left corner of my view,by that point i almost "fogot" that i had a body,and started to hear my hearth beat fast,and i just felth lighter and more distanced from my body,then i continued to do what i have done up till now,and at one point i went to relax from my imagining for a second,stepped back,and then i was ling face down outside,and i felt the suns rays shine on my and i saw them as i turned,as this was happeneing,i saw the dream in 3rd person aswell and 1st,and a lot of images when trough my head as it happened,then i realised,IM IN A DREAM!!!then it pushed me back one step back to the visualisation(during all this time i heard my brother clicking on the mouse and other noises,so that might have been a problem,that was one of two things reminding me that i was still in my own body,and reminding me to feel that i had a body)anyways i gave up,and i went to write what happened down,and it felt as if i was still asleep

thx for reading,plz tipz etc

GREAT TUTORIAL!

This shows the importance of the stabilization step. You need to get to the point where the dream is stable and you won't take that step back. Other then that, you did great!

Also, as another note, welcome to DV (I see you've just joined) and I'd like to give a bit of advice. Try to work on making your posts more legible and get a browser with a built in spellcheck =)

one i entered that dream i wasn't aware at first that it was dream,the second i remembered(5 seconds in to the dream )i was pushed out

tho im not that new ^^ but thx anyways

Does this only work like a DEILD?

I can visualize pretty well in sleep paralysis but i am not sure what time to start this in SP

Originally Posted by hellohihello

Does this only work like a DEILD?

I can visualize pretty well in sleep paralysis but i am not sure what time to start this in SP

The timing should be the same as essentially any WILD. Timing is interchangeable in almost any WILD (other then the ones that are based on time like DEILD, of course)

And what do you mean, from SP? Are you referring to jeff's tech?

Originally Posted by arby

The timing should be the same as essentially any WILD. Timing is interchangeable in almost any WILD (other then the ones that are based on time like DEILD, of course)

And what do you mean, from SP? Are you referring to jeff's tech?

Yup, the thing is I never really completed a WILD so I do not know when to start visualizing.

Originally Posted by hellohihello

Yup, the thing is I never really completed a WILD so I do not know when to start visualizing.

The general consensus is that DEILD/WBTB time tends to be best for WILDs

But, there are LOTS of techs out there that try different timing schemes. The great thing about it all is it's modularity. It's a fact that people don't seem to realize, but you can mix any tech with any timing scheme and relaxation scheme.

Originally Posted by arby

The general consensus is that DEILD/WBTB time tends to be best for WILDs

But, there are LOTS of techs out there that try different timing schemes. The great thing about it all is it's modularity. It's a fact that people don't seem to realize, but you can mix any tech with any timing scheme and relaxation scheme.

Thanks for the answer I will try it out later!

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Someone came from 4chan

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Someone else from 4chan?

Anyway, I think that VILDing is for people who can; if you visualized before you knew it was visualization, go ahead. Otherwise...

So, I tried this last night, and it was a lot harder than I though it would be. I easily managed to think of my surroundings and all my senses (except for breathing, which I can't really understand too well) but my problem is that every few seconds or so, my mind occasionally does something random that I, myself can't control. Like I'm busy walking around in my dreamscape and for a second I observe myself in a third person view. Will this have any sort of negative effect on whether i can become lucid or not?

Also, my heart rate seems to increase by a lot whenever I imagine all the senses combined, is this normal?

I haven't managed to get further than to build a complete dreamscape, but still have to maintain it.

I don't know much about VILD, but that sounds like progress to me.

I was born without the ability to smell... am I disadvantaged in becoming lucid this way?

Originally Posted by TunaSammich

I was born without the ability to smell... am I disadvantaged in becoming lucid this way?

Probably not, there's not much focus on smell in VILDs, and if you didn't have it anyway, it wouldn't matter.