Thread: How to VILD effectively

I know I posted on this thread a while ago with some success, but since I'm currently starting to put serious work into VILD, I have a few questions. Before you answer my questions you should know that my visualization skills are great. I can pull a detailed scene together well even while sitting at my desk reading a tutorial . My first question is, how does a visualization turn into a dream and what affects this process? It confuses me as to how something I'm simply imagining can turn into a dream that supports itself. Second, though this technique is recommended to be done at DEILD time, when I just wake up I can hardly focus on the visual part of a scene. What should I do? Try it at a different time, work on my focus, etc.?

I'm definantley trying this tonight. thx!

Lets get down to answerin questions here =D

Originally Posted by Vlad

So, I tried this last night, and it was a lot harder than I though it would be. I easily managed to think of my surroundings and all my senses (except for breathing, which I can't really understand too well) but my problem is that every few seconds or so, my mind occasionally does something random that I, myself can't control. Like I'm busy walking around in my dreamscape and for a second I observe myself in a third person view. Will this have any sort of negative effect on whether i can become lucid or not?

Also, my heart rate seems to increase by a lot whenever I imagine all the senses combined, is this normal?

I haven't managed to get further than to build a complete dreamscape, but still have to maintain it.

When random things happen, the trick is not to let it bother you. If you REALLY didn't want it to happen, you can employ a few tricks to get the dream back to the way it was. Reverse time, or just force the dream back to he way it was. I would say that things happening spontaneously is a sign of you getting close to a dream state.

If your heart rate is going up, I would read that as a good sign in the light that it means you are definitely getting immersed. But not so great from your whole falling asleep business. Overall, I wouldn't worry about it and enjoy any adrenaline that might get pumped around.

Originally Posted by TunaSammich

I was born without the ability to smell... am I disadvantaged in becoming lucid this way?

I wouldn't say so. You probably have extra sensitivity in the other senses, correct? (more brain room devoted to them even! probably) focus on those.

Originally Posted by Something Else

1. How successful has this technique been for you? Do you use it often? If so, about how often and how many times do you use it?

2. I am very interested in your comments on stabalization of dreams and extension of dreams. This is a problem of mine. Do you feel using more senses is crucial to stabalizing and extension? How long might your average lucid dream last?

3. I have found that my better lucid dreams usually include at least 3 senses, and that I often for whatever reason stop at 3. I have experienced most combinations of these and realize lucid dreams can take on all different forms. Do you think it is important to include and activate all 5 senses in a dream, or is 4 or 3 okay? I personally do not often activate all 5 very often; at most I might activate 4.

1. I use unconscious variants of this automatically as I go to sleep most nights. This technique was actually derived from what I found I do to get lucid, not the other way around. (i'm a natural) I've had very good success with this.

2. I think stabalization depends more on expectations and not so much the content of the dream. If you are eternally unhappy with what you are visualizing and freaking out trying to get it right, nothing is going to last long. If you visualized a fuzzy dream and were happy with it, you could hold onto it for a long time. But having the dream bee able too fool you into feelign more real will always contribute to the stabalization of the dream.

3. Well, at any one time when we are awake, we rearely feel all 5. 3 might actually be a more natural number for you. You don't strictly need all five. If you found 3 that you were really good at and focused on those or rotated the senses you focused on around, it might work out well.

Originally Posted by pojmaster17q

I know I posted on this thread a while ago with some success, but since I'm currently starting to put serious work into VILD, I have a few questions. Before you answer my questions you should know that my visualization skills are great. I can pull a detailed scene together well even while sitting at my desk reading a tutorial . My first question is, how does a visualization turn into a dream and what affects this process? It confuses me as to how something I'm simply imagining can turn into a dream that supports itself. Second, though this technique is recommended to be done at DEILD time, when I just wake up I can hardly focus on the visual part of a scene. What should I do? Try it at a different time, work on my focus, etc.?

To turn the visualization into a dream, you have to go through the process of stabalization. Essentially, letting the dream solidify around you and become an actual dream. I've never had too much good information about this step since I do it automatically but one important point if your stance on things. The best one seems to be to look casually for interesting things and avoid the “I have no direction/need for direction”stance.

As for timing, I reccommend that time mainly on the fact that others say it works best for them. You should find and use a fime that you feel is most contributing to your visualization skills.



Also, sorry for all the late replys. I don't come around here much anymore.

thanks :-)

Very useful tips. One part that makes a lot of sense to me was the section on after awakening it is easier to return to the dream through visualization. I've tried this in the past but failed, so it's nice to know that it is quite possible.

awesome! I'm going to try this right now I've been having intense dreams every night at least and LDing once in a while so I think I could do it. Or perhaps fail horribly O_o

We have to lose to learn how to win.

2 questions.

First question, I am very good at visuallizing and can easily visuallize all the senses so I think this will be good for me but how do I make the transition from visuallization to dream, am I supposed to feel like i'm in the dream like it says you should be able to do before trying this at the start?

Second Question, Is there such thing as a "Partial Sleep Paralasys" because the first time I attempted to to a WILD (yesterday) I could do it but I eventually move and I could but when I did It was really hard but then I could move.

@arby : OMG man, dude this tech is messing with me head. Last night I had an OBE!!! LIKE HARDCORE. It was like I induced a dream. I see what your saying, the more you get more senses in at the same time and the longer it's easier to maintain many senses at the same time!. My legs slowly feel asleep AND my mind was still awake. TYhen it felt like I didnt have a body and I was like Am i dreaming?? Then I had sex in my OBE and I was like (embassing) Orgasming to the point were I was about to finish but never really finished but for like 10 minutes!! It felt so real!

This morning was the KICKER. So I only ended up having about 5 hours of sleep, so I make it in to work (I work with my dad) and I'm dead tired, so I go in the back to nap. I try this VILD thing again but trying to go back home in my OBE. I fell asleep but really I had a false awakening in my bed at home AGAIN! I went back to work and ate KFC with my dad and sister EVEN though I do not eat it. I remember even tasting the chicken. TYhats the first time I remember eating something in my dream ever. But yeah so all these weird things did happen but it felt super real, like all my senses in my dream were intact but I never once reality checked which I regret.

So my sister wakes me up and I was convinced I was eating KFC and I was like is there any KFC left? Shes like What?? I'm like wait, that was a dream? I'm gunna try and jump into a final fantasy type world tonight! so excited. And I got dream herb and vitmin B6 to so I'm going all the way. Oh and I got binary beats which I did use last night and this morning like I do every night.

I found that I once I build up a scene with vild in order to make it come to life, I will actually have to physically walk into it or physically reach out and grab something in my scene and it will instantly solidify around me. I had never thought of that before but it works, tried it yesterday and this morning, never was able to like step into any scene, but now I think I'm on the way to getting good at actually building the dream myself. Malac had that idea with his grab technique, but yeah never saw how that could possibly work well until recently.

I just wanted to say that this has been working for me for 2 nights straight now. Since I've got quite some experience with LD'ing and trying different techniques, I'm staying calm and not getting too excited because most of the time techniques work for me sparingly, so it's very probable that the following week I will get nothing out of this technique, but I'll keep up.

One question: To stabilize the dream and to make it feel more real I usually look at my hands and try to see/hear/feel every detail of the dream. This works most of the time, but the second I think that this dream COULD fall apart, it actually does.

Any help on how to NOT think about the dream falling apart at all?

happy to say the next morning after my previous post on this thread I LD'ed my longest LD ever and achomplished a lot of tasks I had more myself. AMAZING.

This technique is very appealing, but I've got a very hard time visualizing (especially sight). I was wondering if anyone tried this with outside help : I was thinking, for instance, of trying to visualize a beach scene with a recording of surf and seagulls in the background, maybe with perfume reminding me of the beach.
Does this sound like a good idea or could it be distracting at some point? (IE when you want to change settings later)

Badass tutorial man!
Really deep, explaining and beginner friendly.
Im gonna work on this whenever i get time over. Just a question, will this increase the vividness of daydreams?
Keep it going dude!

//Zelzahim

Does this have to be done during a nap or with wbtb like WILD does or can I just do when I go to bed at normal time?

I have done this before. Actually I do it quite often. If I wake up earlier than usual, I will lay there and visualize stuff. I will imagine how it feels and looks. A few times I forgot that I was visualizing, and was in it. As real as a dream. And then I suddenly think "how did I get here?" Then I remember I am visualizing and 'snap' out of the dream. Any suggustions on how to NOT do that? I forget that I am visualizing and then I am in the dream I was building, not lucid, and then suddenly think of how I got there. Should I just say to myself while I am doing it once in a while that I am visualizing, and will enter a dream lucidly? I hope I can get to entering the dream consciously. But, at least I will be in the dream I was thinking up.
I find it hard to visualize later in the day or when I go to bed. Probably because I am still unconcsiouly thinking of stuff that happened in the day. And maybe someone can answer this. If you do this succesfully, you will be in the dream state, the same as if you had one when you were asleep, which means that after you are in the dream, you are asleep right? So you won't lose much sleep. And, don't you have to be in a REM cycle to have a high-quality dream. Thus, it would be hard to do this when you are going to bed, hours away from REM.

Anyway, great post! I have always wondered about my experiences with this.

(I don’t consider this dreaming yet. Although, it tends to be hard to draw the line between a dream and a visualization.)

I know what you mean. I recently had a dream where I thought if I'm Lucid I'll play the song 'Stand by Me' and I did but I couldn't classify if I was dreaming or not, so I don't count as a LD.

I'm excited to try this tonight and I might post back tomorrow.

Originally Posted by thanksj

(I don’t consider this dreaming yet. Although, it tends to be hard to draw the line between a dream and a visualization.)

I know what you mean. I recently had a dream where I thought if I'm Lucid I'll play the song 'Stand by Me' and I did but I couldn't classify if I was dreaming or not, so I don't count as a LD.

I'm excited to try this tonight and I might post back tomorrow.

Sorry, I couldn't do it I had a bit of a hectic night. I'll probably try again within this week and I might post back the results if it works.

This technique looks very promising. I'm going to try it tonight and report back tomorrow. Thanks for posting

I tried and it didn't work for me. I guess I didn't I try hard enough. I'm going to try again soon and report back soon.

I'd love to VILD. However, the effort keeps me awake. Shame.

I've tried this technique last night and I got really close to sleep paralysis. I will try it tonight too. This works.

I like the idea of this! I remember reading about VILDs earlier but I particularly like your tutorial. Even just picturing the image you conjured up sounds really nice. Even if I failed at the VILD the first few times, I definitely wouldn't mind falling asleep to such a peaceful image! I'm still somewhat new, but I've had a couple dreams of semi-lucidity. But I'm not really expecting it to work for one as inexperienced as me. Definitely gonna give it a try though!

i tried this last night, i was thinking i'll never be able to visualise myself actually experiencing anything effectively, and everything was just like a regular thought it my mind's eye - after a few minutes i felt my eyes moving so violently behind their lids and i felt like i was spinning so i had to stop