Thread: LD personal o1: Dream-saturated mind.

Well after some research I think that I have stumbled on something important. I listened to a podcast with a doctor who talked about the "Zone" midset. He said in so many words it has a lot to do with single minded focas on what you need to do to achieve your goal and having a carefree and happy demenor. He used the phrase "stay in the moment" a lot which is basicly summed up as forgeting what the outcome might be and what happened in the past and any other unecesary thoughts and zoning in on what needs to be done. I thinks this is why mild and hild are sucsessful methods. Perhaps by focasing in and setting your intentions long enough these methods induce semi-DSM. Now to make the leap from semi DSM to full on DSM is the problem. And if I'm even a little right how does DSM manifest itself in people who don't even MILD on the night it happened. I dont know maybe its on their subconsious all day and they don't need to consiously think about it. Maybe we need to find a way to imprint DSM on the subconsious like a modified hild, placebo, or a named subconsious technique so that it "brews" all day and induce DSM. Your thoughts?

Originally Posted by adraw

I understand, that you are logic freak, that you have good analytical skills. But it is also a common observation, that we often loose our a lot of them while in dream. Is it different in your case, and if so ... What do you think, why is that.

Thanx.

its just a habbit i guess, i don't even think about it i just do it. it was the same way when i was a kid even. I always was a step ahead of everyone, and they had to keep up with me.

HI again. Let me join these two last answers, and one of my latest observations.

Lordalmar. You said that your mindset is sufficient to have lucids at will. And that is from your deep past.

Spiderman_859. You mentioned the zone theory and "staying in a moment". And other methods to induce Semi DSM.

Now my addition>>> I readed an article about Visual streaming, which is a technique to increase visualisation using constant describing of any visual experience, you might have while your eyes are closed. But now. To what is more important. It also said, that ability to visualise is given to us in some extent, and thats why children dont have problems visualising their thoughts. They loose this ability when they discover other thinking methods. Visual streaming is based on rediscovering these abilities.

HOw would you describe the state children have? They are always focused on one thing, no logical barriers for them, often they are reported to be having their own worlds. They often dont care..

Arent we searching for the state, children have? If so, we have perspective, becouse we dont have to search anymore. We just should rediscover the playful state of childhood, and apply it on our attempts.

Maybe we should take techniques just as play-tools and not as guides. Maybe that is why the techniques are so simply formulated. For our child mind to understand...


////all this was just a suggestion, so take it easy.

Originally Posted by Abra

But now, I have a different type of saturation. A saturation with waking life, if you will (they are two sides of the same coin, after all). I find myself using dream-immersion techniques in real life. Out of the blue I'll become conscious of details in all five senses, even repressed emotion. As in a dream, I can twist my perception and create contentment out of thin-air. A handy skill, if you ask me. I am now as happy to exist in this way as I am happy when in a lucid dream.

If there are two sides to the coin, maybe attaining the other side in real life can be key, too. I find that the people who are least successful in life are those that blame their state on other people - or decide to think that they have "bad luck" or something - that they're special. All the famous people (such as Oprah ;D) have success stories where they describe their positive thinking and how there is some magical force in the universe that gives determined people what they want... I think that's a load of poo, but people that think they are being aided by the universe are bound to be looking for opportunities all around them. Besides, being happy is a choice, though sometimes we'd like to find something else to blame our happiness or unhappiness on, it's all our choice. Being able to lucid dream doesn't depend on what technique you're using. The techniques are all used to create a state of mind, anyway. Just a thought.

Originally Posted by Lordalmar

its called you are a natural dreamer, same for me. i can chain dreams without even trying. I could chain lucids even if i wanted to. my dreams are so weird that i just never choose to be lucid.

I also have an ability that most people here don't. i automaticly know when i am dreaming. i can't explain how it works, it is just something i do.

I know what you mean I think almar, but maybe not to as great as an extent. I can "sense" when I've dreaming sometimes, however not always. I can pass through the weirdest, most unrealistic dreams with the most obvious dream signs and not even get a small hint that I'm dreaming. But the few lucid dreams I've had, I knew it for sure, even before doing the reality check.

Like I remember the one I had a few nights ago. I don't remember exactly how it started, but I was somewhere eating a Caramilk chocolate bar. As I was dreaming, I somehow knew I was there, though there were no obvious signs. I just knew. I then did a reality check, just to confirm.

And it's funny, it always happens that way. I am never aware enough to become suspicious of being in a dream by obvious signs, but when I do become lucid, I know it for sure from the beginning of it without even having to do a reality check (though I always do one just to make sure).

And that's why MILD has never worked for me. I bet even if I did a reality check in a dream and it gave me positive results, I wouldn't notice it. I either know it or I don't.

I know what you mean about the DSM. When I have my spontaneous 2 ld's per month, they seem completely effortless. I wake up more refreshed than I ever am upon waking from a dream, and I think to myself, "Lucid dreaming is easy!" It is a real confidence boost. I also have substantially increased recall.

I think happiness is the key. When you wake up from a lucid dream, you are happy. When you are happy, you are optimistic. When you are optimistic, you are confident. And when you are confident, you have lucid dreams. Rinse and repeat.