One noobie isn't going to change the foundation of Lucid Dreaming. |
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First off, I have never become lucid (personally) due to a reality check at random. I have always first felt that "I'm dreaming" feeling before following up with a RC. At that point I don't really need a RC, I just know I'm dreaming. |
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One noobie isn't going to change the foundation of Lucid Dreaming. |
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I love DEILD! SP is pwnage!
Hmm...and just when I thought the art of lucid dreaming is all about what you expect to happen. RC's are helpful all right...when you already know you're dreaming. |
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sometimes they work and sometimes they dont. For me, if I get that that feeling where I know im dreaming the reality check is not really necessary but i'll usually still do a few just to be sure. Other times when I get that feeling but im not entirely sure the reality check can fail. |
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Good point.. |
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for some reason the hand rc's dont seem to work for me. Ive never seen my hands melt. Once I tried to poke a finger through my hand and it was as solid as real llife. That rc failed and before i had a chance to do another one a dc came and convinced me it wasnt a dream. |
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When you RC really really really really HOPE TO GOD that you really are dreaming! Really expect to be dreaming! Dont just do them to see if they fail or not! |
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Don't expect anything. Why bother with a reality check, unless you are asking a serious question? If you expect beforehand, then you introduce bias. |
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Originally Posted by OldSparta
I thought the exact same thing when I started trying to LD. One problem I saw with it was that I don't ever do any habits (biting my nails, whistling, brushing my hair back with my hand, etc) in my dream so why would I do an RC if it became a habit? |
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That's dumb. |
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RCs definitely work for me. I'll often be in a nonlucid dream and I will think to do a RC and it will fail thus letting me know I'm dreaming. I'm using the nose pinch test at the moment. Usually I am completely convinced I'm awake and I'm totally expecting to not be able to breathe through my pinched nose. I am gobsmacked when I find I can breathe having been thinking there's no way it's a dream! |
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It's because you're doing your reality checks wrong, it sounds like. |
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I'm in the same boat. By the time I think to do one in a dream, I already know I'm dreaming. I usually become lucid by becoming aware of a growing feeling, or the feeling that something just isn't right. |
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RCs are brilliant. I'm having so many LDs from RCs. I do them during the day whenever something even slightly unusual happens and really pay attention. I know what you mean though about getting used to the tests passing. It's a complete waste of time for me to look at my hands now because my brain has learned to construct them perfectly when I'm dreaming. Luckily the nose pinch test has always failed when I'm dreaming so I'm relying on that. I hope to God that test doesn't ever pass when I'm dreaming or I'll definitely miss the fact that I'm dreaming. |
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I have always tried to raise my general awareness rather than doing random RC's. Granted, I am also self-defence instructor and occasionally doing jobs as bouncer, so high awareness is a must for me. RC is mainly for me to make sure that I am dreaming after I have initially realized it. |
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Jujutsu is the gentle art. It's the art where a small man is going to prove to you, no matter how strong you are, no matter how mad you get, that you're going to have to accept defeat. That's what jujutsu is.
Jujutsu is the gentle art. It's the art where a small man is going to prove to you, no matter how strong you are, no matter how mad you get, that you're going to have to accept defeat. That's what jujutsu is.
^I agree with you that you can achieve an LD without any of those, but whatever method you use, the three basics are still incredibly helpful IMO. |
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I love DEILD! SP is pwnage!
I agree that the basics are really helpful, if only to get you thinking about LDing more, questioning reality, ect. However, I think that the 'status quo' mentality isn't very helpful either. What if there is something incredibly better than RCing, and noone has figured it out yet. My philosophy is that questioning the norm is exactly what the point is on these forums. If the idea were just to say "Oh yes, well here is the way to do it, now follow these steps" then DV would just be a tutorial page, and not a forum. Thanks for your input Lizard King. |
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Agreed. The problem is, if you stick too much to other people tutorials, ways of doing, it might stop your progress or cause confusion. We are working with dreams after all, which I believe is one of the most personal ground we can ever think of. |
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Jujutsu is the gentle art. It's the art where a small man is going to prove to you, no matter how strong you are, no matter how mad you get, that you're going to have to accept defeat. That's what jujutsu is.
Lizard King is just suggesting an idea. No need to completely shoot 'em down for it. :p |
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Last edited by bobthemonkey; 12-20-2008 at 10:54 AM.
I don't use RCs to find out if I'm dreaming, just to confirm it. I often have a feeling that I'm dreaming, and I do a RC to make sure, but I have never done an RC randomly in my dreams out of habit. |
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