Thread: keeping the logic side of the brain active during sleep

most of the information mentioned here is from forums, so correct me i fim wrong.

so apparently, when we dream the logic side of our brain partialy shuts down, resulting in ridiculous explenations for strange things.

eg, you see a woman with 4 eyes and think, "oh the circus must be in town", thus we miss the chance to become lucid.

so if we could stimulate the logic side of the brain before/during sleep, it could greatly increase the chances of a dild.
anyone have any ideas as how to do this.

eg maybe doing math problems before bed

There's no "logic side of the brain". That's a gross oversimplification and your idea seems pretty unlikely to be effective.

Originally Posted by drewmandan

There's no "logic side of the brain". That's a gross oversimplification and your idea seems pretty unlikely to be effective.

yes there is a logic side of our brain, there are two main parts to our brain, one is the logic side, and the other is something else, cant remember what. so i think this sounds like your on to something, doing maths problems may work, but maybe something better.

Originally Posted by drewmandan

There's no "logic side of the brain". That's a gross oversimplification and your idea seems pretty unlikely to be effective.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASf55cov5F8
It says in here they're is a logic center so he is right. Don't go starting sh!t about stuff you know nothing about.

Originally Posted by drewmandan

There's no "logic side of the brain". That's a gross oversimplification and your idea seems pretty unlikely to be effective.

You've never read ETWOLD, I take it?

So the other night, I was lucid for an entire dream, pretty long.

But I was too lazy to try to control it. I just figured I'd just kinda observe, my "logic" was too tired or something. As it was fading out, I realized I could rub hands together, but then it was too late, at that point I had no body anymore and was only able to spectate.

But yeah, next time I hope I won't be so lazy!

Has this happened to anyone else? Near complete lucidity, but too lazy to dream any differently.


Oh, I told a stranger woman in the dream that I was still in New Zealand, and that I was only dreaming that I was back home. Really, I was home, and was dreaming that I was home. I got back around 15 days ago.


Hey look, I just turned legally 18 literally in the last minute .

Not that simple. When we say "logic center," we are using it as a metaphor. Also, dreams do contain logic (often, they follow a plot of some sort). I'm pretty sure that the logic used to decipher reality from the dream is different than the logic used to decipher a math problem.

Best thing we can do is wake ourselves up before our intended dream, and try to keep as much awareness as possible.

ok then, so does anyone know more about the specific lack of logic that stops us from realising we are dreaming.

is there somthing in waking life it can be associated to. ie there is the part of the brain that somtimes (but rarley) realises we are dreaming, do we ever use this part of the brain in real life.

bottom line, how can we improve this part of the brain that always 'fails' to see we are dreaming.
the fact that we can recognise we are dreaming (ie DILD) suggests that such a part of the brain exists, but isnt very 'useful'.
maybe we could train this part of the brain with excersises during the day.

oh cow fudge, it leads right back to reality checks. but do you see where im coming from

Originally Posted by pond weed

oh cow fudge, it leads right back to reality checks. but do you see where im coming from

I liked that you said cow fudge. And yeah there's lots of techniques to train yourself to lucid dream more often. By the way, I never really realize I'm dreaming by using logic. I just kinda feel it.

Originally Posted by Psylocibin

I liked that you said cow fudge. And yeah there's lots of techniques to train yourself to lucid dream more often. By the way, I never really realize I'm dreaming by using logic. I just kinda feel it.

interesting iv never heard that before. how long have you been into the whole LD thing.
what exactly do you mean by 'feel it'

I usually "feel it" too. Whenever (in the few times I had) I became lucid I just instantly knew it, like my brain tells itself its dreaming: no RCs or Dream Signs necessary.

Originally Posted by Psylocibin

I liked that you said cow fudge. And yeah there's lots of techniques to train yourself to lucid dream more often. By the way, I never really realize I'm dreaming by using logic. I just kinda feel it.

This. It's quite odd. I reality check on false awakenings, or in a dream out of the house, but never when I wake up or go out of the house..

I just kinda feel it. Feel the need to reality check. In real life I do awareness/logic tests, not visuals. In dreams I do visuals. It's strange.

Yesterday I had a false awakening and my hands were invisible. Never have I checked my hands upon awakening.

Originally Posted by pond weed

ok then, so does anyone know more about the specific lack of logic that stops us from realising we are dreaming.

is there somthing in waking life it can be associated to. ie there is the part of the brain that somtimes (but rarley) realises we are dreaming, do we ever use this part of the brain in real life.

bottom line, how can we improve this part of the brain that always 'fails' to see we are dreaming.
the fact that we can recognise we are dreaming (ie DILD) suggests that such a part of the brain exists, but isnt very 'useful'.
maybe we could train this part of the brain with excersises during the day.

oh cow fudge, it leads right back to reality checks. but do you see where im coming from

I think you made a good point. There are neurons involved in recognizing the absurd, and they mostly shut down during sleep. That is why you can see the crazy things you talked about and think little of it. Those neurons shut down during sleep so you don't call B.S. on all of your dream imagery and keep waking up. Learning how to have lucid dreams involves learning how to wake up a significant number of those neurons during sleep some of the time, and that is what you are doing by practicing lucid dream techniques such as the use of reality checks and dream journals.

I read that a while back in a book. I think it was The Lucid Dreamer by Malcolm Godwin, but it might have been Lucid Dreaming by Stephen LaBerge. I highly recommend both of those books, even though the Godwin book involves a lot of mysticism that just makes the book interesting in addition to actual science. There is a lot of great surreal art in it too.

I'm pretty sure that there have been times in dreams were I realize that I'm dreaming, but I'm unable to wake up the logical part of me (feels just like being too tired to concentrate on a math problem or something) and I just forget about it out of tiredness in the dream and keep on going once again with no lucidity. It's pretty annoying, it's like I'm too tired to Lucid Dream.


Also, at times while attempting to WILD, I keep my logic brain active, and i start to get really really tired, but don't sleep at all. After awhile i realize that my logic side is keeping me from sleeping. I give it a rest and I'm in a non-lucid sleep within seconds. It's almost as though Lucid dreaming is impossible for me.

Except I know it's not, because I managed to remain lucid and logical for 10 seconds once after a reality check (managed to fly too). But then I woke up.


I think this may be my main problem, it's hard to sleep and be logical at the same time, as logic wakes me up. 10 seconds of lucidity was an amazing feat for me, as I always seem to wake up the instant I realize I'm dreaming (that, or my logic goes back to sleep).


Practice, practice, practice I suppose.

That is where I was for a while. I would become lucid and hold it only for a few seconds. I learned from reading posts here that my problem probably involved getting too excited when I became lucid. When I learned how to stay calm and just drift along, as if trying not to wake up somebody else with my mind, I was finally able to hold on to lucidity.