What's with all the hype over SP?

[Sentaku]

I thought you didn't need SP to WILD? Someone clear this up, please.

[moonshine]

Well you do need SP to dream, so technically you need it to WILD. However, you don't need to focus on it, or if you mind is elsewhere, you may not feel it at all. The hype over SP is that body awareness is a big part of what some people consider to be a very useful technique.

[The Cusp]

You don't. It's just that when it happens it can be pretty freaky and people like to talk about it.

[Shift]

You don't need SP for anything at all. During REM periods you have REM atonia. That you do need so that you don't hurt yourself. SP, the paralysis of your body outside of REM, you do not need and most people will not get frequently. If you do get it, you can use it to enter a WILD. One type of wild induction technique, focusing on your body, uses the experience of SP and you can use it to enter a lucid dream. The hype absolutely seems unwarranted considering there are a number of other wild induction 'categories'. I think people just hear that natural SP sufferers use it, plus it sounds cool with the vibrations and hags and whatnot Really, the obsession with SP does not make any sense and you're right, it is not needed to WILD. It's not needed to sleep, it's not needed to keep you from acting out your dreams. It's not needed for anything.

[Dizko]

Why would your spelling affect your ability to enter a dream consciously? o.0

[Sentaku]

Why would your spelling affect your ability to enter a dream consciously? o.0 I lol'd

[moonshine]

"Sleep paralysis" is widely accepted as descriptive term used to define the physiological effects of REM atonia. If its good enough for Laberge its good enough for me. Additionally, it transpires that REM atonia can occour outside of REM sleep. As can REM like dreams. Meaning REM atonia may not be such an accurate description either.

[BigFan]

You don't need SP for anything at all. During REM periods you have REM atonia. That you do need so that you don't hurt yourself. SP, the paralysis of your body outside of REM, you do not need and most people will not get frequently. If you do get it, you can use it to enter a WILD. One type of wild induction technique, focusing on your body, uses the experience of SP and you can use it to enter a lucid dream. The hype absolutely seems unwarranted considering there are a number of other wild induction 'categories'. I think people just hear that natural SP sufferers use it, plus it sounds cool with the vibrations and hags and whatnot Really, the obsession with SP does not make any sense and you're right, it is not needed to WILD. It's not needed to sleep, it's not needed to keep you from acting out your dreams. It's not needed for anything. Isn't REM atonia and SP the same thing? Also, doesn't SP occur during REM dreams?

[Shift]

No, that is inaccurate but people like moonshine continue propagating the incorrect usage of the term 'sleep paralysis' as a synonym for REM atonia and telling those of us who seek the educate and correct people that we are wrong in attempting to change that. You can read about the discussions on numerous threads on DV, so we don't have to hijack this one. Regardless of the discussions on the forums, these two terms have actual, medical definitions, and it is incorrect to use them interchangeably. If you are using the two terms accurately, SP is the paralysis of your body while you're awake, outside of REM sleep, and REM atonia is the paralysis of your body during REM sleep.

[BigFan]

No, that is inaccurate but people like moonshine continue propagating the incorrect usage of the term 'sleep paralysis' as a synonym for REM atonia and telling those of us who seek the educate and correct people that we are wrong in attempting to change that. You can read about the discussions on numerous threads on DV, so we don't have to hijack this one. Regardless of the discussions on the forums, these two terms have actual, medical definitions, and it is incorrect to use them interchangeably. If you are using the two terms accurately, SP is the paralysis of your body while you're awake, outside of REM sleep, and REM atonia is the paralysis of your body during REM sleep. Don't worry, I won't start a discussion on that here, it's just that I thought we always had SP during REM which prevented movement and thought that SP and REM atonia were the same thing. Never knew that it's REM atonia which we have during REM sleep and SP is outside of REM. Does this mean that when you WILD and you get SP, you might be entering an NREM period?

[moonshine]

No, that is inaccurate but people like moonshine continue propagating the incorrect usage of the term 'sleep paralysis' as a synonym for REM atonia and telling those of us who seek the educate and correct people that we are wrong in attempting to change that. You can read about the discussions on numerous threads on DV, so we don't have to hijack this one. Regardless of the discussions on the forums, these two terms have actual, medical definitions, and it is incorrect to use them interchangeably. If you are using the two terms accurately, SP is the paralysis of your body while you're awake, outside of REM sleep, and REM atonia is the paralysis of your body during REM sleep. Hiya shift. Not planning on hijacking this thread. You've popped in to tell everyone that the term sleep paralysis is wrong, which is clearly a side issue to the thread. By a similar token, I've popped in to disagree and note that I am content to use the term in the same way Laberge does. Happy to continue discussion on the on topic threads. But I would suggest the jury remains out as to the ultimate conclusion.