Thread: No More Doubts: What's A Lucid Dream?

I know you have a hard-on for 'false lucid dreams' as you call them, but the definition of a lucid dream is 'knowing that you are dreaming while dreaming'. Nothing more, nothing less. If you're aware that you're dreaming, then you're lucid dreaming. It's not a package deal complete with 100% understanding that your body is asleep, in a bed somewhere, nothing around you is real, there are no rules/consequences, you can summon or create anything youwant, etc. No: as long as you realize "This isn't reality- oh, it's because this is a dream," then you are lucid dreaming.

Lucid dreaming allows you the chance to understand the rest of those things, but doesn't imply that you do by default. Being fully aware of the implications of the fact that you're dreaming is icing on the awesome cake of lucidity. I'm sorry, but this is quite simply the definition of the term 'lucid dreaming' no matter how you feel about the ambiguity of it.

Dreams of lucid dreaming are just like any other non-lucid dream- you're not aware that you're dreaming, and you're dreaming about some concept.

Technically, Shift is right. However, she fails to understand the important message of this thread. I'm pretty sure we can all understand that a dream in which you are fully conscious is a very different and very recognizable phenomenon from regular dreaming. Many people call this phenomenon "lucid dreaming" incorrectly, but their message is still understood. In this case Mariano is explaining (although using "lucid dreaming" incorrectly) that there are dreams where you can know you are dreaming but not be conscious.

For instance, we could call the dreams where one is fully conscious, "conscious dreams". Mariano is explaining that although somebody may have a lucid dream, it will not necessarily be a conscious dream. I recommend you stop playing with definitions, because the message is rather easy to understand; you've simply locked your mind into thinking that lucid dreams are the extent of dreaming, where conscious dreams are equally important.

I see two problems here, one, it demands an high level of lucidity to count it as sucess, not much a problem, its the choice of each person anyway.
The real problem is the false lucid part, it doesn't matter how much lucid you may be, if there is the possibility of it being false, some people may think even the most lucid dream will be false, which would hurt newbies who aren't that good at the start (or newbies in general) and kill completely all the motivation. That, in my opinion, is an huge problem when trying to define LD.
Thats just a small part of it, but it will be unfortunate for the ones that get caught in it.
Other than that, I like the explaining.

Good points, Mariano. I think it was a rough draft. You could probably trim it down and say just as much.

If this Consciousness doesn't switch to ON, then, you are NOT lucid...
We can say that DOUBT is a crucial point. DOUBT = FALSE LUCID DREAM

I believe that is correct.

Definitions of Lucid Dreaming on the Web:
A lucid dream, also known as conscious dream, is a dream in which the sleeper is aware that he/she is dreaming.

A true experience should be undeniable. Much like the difference between watching a documentary and actually having experienced the events documented. You feel the experience resonating off of you. There is no doubt.

I agree that there are false lucid dreams. Because we understand the idea of Lucid Dreaming so well, we imagine we have one. But it's not the same.

There may also be crappy lucid dreams. My experience shows if I go to sleep kind of late, and wake up late, and if the lucid dreams occurs around 9-10 AM, I have very crappy lucid dreams. I know that I'm dreaming, but I feel very anxious, unsettled, without well-being. Probably due to oversleep or lack of sleep the previous night. They are still somewhat enjoyable, but nothing worth my time and patience to attain. My body and brain need good food, and good sleep, to have good lucid dreams. The best ones occur before the sun is up. The best ones are breathtaking experiences.

Newbies should not feel discouraged. Although it seems a solid wall, the wall of sleep is not too thick, and consciousness can break through.

You will know when it does.

man all i can say is that i loved to read this thread.

You explained in the perfect way what is an lucid dream...This will help so much the newbies...

shift : yeah, I agree with you in that part, maybe I put too much detail that weren't necessary

that there are dreams where you can know you are dreaming but not be conscious.

no, if you are not conscious, then you don't know you are dreaming, you just simply "try" to know you are dreaming...

I see two problems here, one, it demands an high level of lucidity to count it as sucess, not much a problem, its the choice of each person anyway.

maybe, but what I really tried to say is that when you are lucid, if you wake up, there is no doubt about what happened...

by the way, I don't want to hurt newbies, is good if they have FLD, but the only thing that they must do to transform that FLD into LD is very little = increase awareness ( on reality check, or in waking life)

There may also be crappy lucid dreams. My experience shows if I go to sleep kind of late, and wake up late, and if the lucid dreams occurs around 9-10 AM, I have very crappy lucid dreams. I know that I'm dreaming, but I feel very anxious, unsettled, without well-being. Probably due to oversleep or lack of sleep the previous night. They are still somewhat enjoyable, but nothing worth my time and patience to attain. My body and brain need good food, and good sleep, to have good lucid dreams. The best ones occur before the sun is up. The best ones are breathtaking experiences.

but these ARE lucid dreams, because you have NO DOUBT when you wake up, no matter if the clarity is horrible....

man all i can say is that i loved to read this thread.

You explained in the perfect way what is an lucid dream...This will help so much the newbies...

thank you..

I really like this talks.

bye!

by the way, I don't want to hurt newbies, is good if they have FLD, but the only thing that they must do to transform that FLD into LD is very little = increase awareness ( on reality check, or in waking life)

Yup, but the problem with that is, if you give them an high standard, it will cause these to happen in place of a LD because of placebo/autosuggestion, just like the myths with reading and pain and the like, and we don't want to start more myths for the newbies, do we?

I don't understood that...

It means: Subconcious of newbies will absorb the concept of a FLD and end up replying it when there is a chance of a LD, thus, ruining their LD experience.
Basically, a myth. Like the "you can't read, being excited wakes you, can't feel pain" in dreams, thing. Anyway, just recalled you speak spanish better, so if you want to keep discussing this, should be better of by PM lol (silly me...)

All I would say if people want to understand the concept of Lucid Dreaming and how far it can go; and this in that, read a book...