Thread: Stop Drop and Roll. Why Lucidology and Nicholas Newport are creating misinformation.

Wow. I completely fell into this. (Not to the point of spending money, fortunately) It was mainly because I saw Saltcube and this, and I didn't realize that they were the same person's websites. Also, I just looked at it as another technique to use, not the only possible way to become lucid. Most of my information comes from DV and other good websites, but I didn't realize that Lucidology is a scam. I am very glad I didn't give him any money.

Originally Posted by Dogod

Wow. I completely fell into this. (Not to the point of spending money, fortunately) It was mainly because I saw Saltcube and this, and I didn't realize that they were the same person's websites. Also, I just looked at it as another technique to use, not the only possible way to become lucid. Most of my information comes from DV and other good websites, but I didn't realize that Lucidology is a scam. I am very glad I didn't give him any money.

It's not a scam. Just because a few jealous people don't like him creating new terms doesn't mean crap. His techniques work for a lot of people, and even get posted by other people on here claiming them as their own ideas. A lot of people praise the methods and just because it doesn't work for a couple of people who cares. You can argue whether it's work spending money but don't make claims and say it's a scam when you haven't even seen the videos. There is a lot of new techniques and ideas they I never saw on this site or any other. The fact the techniques work has been well established on this site.

101 is free

Hi, this is my first post.
I found this site via google, after trying to find credibility for the lucidology site. Firstly, this is a great site, and I look forward to reading the articles on here. Though I'm no "newb" to lucid dreaming (wrote a college paper on the subject some years ago, and an article posted on another forum), I'm not the best at it either

Anyway, I haven't tried any of this guy's methods yet, but one thing struck me when he mentioned the "roll-over" signal. It was disappointing though when I realized this guy's primary focus was OBEs, rather than Lucid Dreams, which is why I started seeking elsewhere.

Anyway, to what I wanted to actually post. I (and according to a quick search on this site, other members) have felt a "falling" sensation when trying to get to sleep; this is usually a VERY real sensation that you're falling (similar to sky-diving, roller coaster, etc). Could this be some sort of "signal" to test if the mind is responsive? Maybe it's the brain that controls the signal, but maybe it's testing the consciousness?

I have read other articles in the past in regards to OBEs, and one in particular skips the vibration stage and has instructions similar to this man's, except the author of the article claims that the "falling" sensation is falling through some sort of "void" that brings you to the astral plane (I can find that article, if anyone wants to see it).
But regardless, it makes me wonder what happens if you're able to resist that "falling" sensation; I may try to induce it, see if I can "beat it" (which I've never been able to), and maybe make a new topic with the results.

I personally believe the feeling of falling or tingling just before falling asleep is chemicals going through you that dim your senses, so you don't dream of being trapped in a bed all night. :p

just to bring this back up again: while this guy is total used car salesman / shopping channel about it, i find that most of his techniques, ideas, and graphs make total sense in light of everything else i have learned about LDing and OBEing. his focus IS OBEs, which is just slightly different than LD's.

as w/ everything else, take w/ a grain of salt(cube? heh), try out the techniques for yourself, and integrate it into your LD education and studies.

no need for hater-ade.

Firstly, about 70% of his claims/theories/ what he is saying DOES have merit.

Second, whe he said: "The mind never knows precisely what the body is doing and vice versa." he was talking about the conscious mind.

Granted, a LOT of what he was saying didnt make sense what so ever... like the whole alarm clock waking up every 20min for 8hrs.... wtf?

Ive seen every one of his videos... Some can be very usefull, while others a complete waste... A lot of what he is saying is in the wrong context too, like the mind/body.

Would I recommend his videos to noobs? ONLY after they were educated enough to know what to do and what not do to, because there is still a lot of info summarized into a few videos, rather then dozens and hundreds.

It is 3am and I woke up in pain.

I came here for some distraction from the pain. And found this thread. I read page 1 & 2 and felt sad cos I like old Mat-Nick of Saltcube fame.

I skipped to this the last (of 7 pages) to see what the latest posts were saying. They have cheered me up.

In 2005 I was just learning how to touch type, how to use email, to Google etc. I found Yahoogroups and just to find out what would happen I joined one.

I was a bit scared so I opened a totally fictitious email called [email protected]. then all these emails from PsiDreams poured into my email box. Back then I might visit an Internet Cafe once a week. Back then, normal, cheap mobiles didn't have email access.

My on-box would have from 1 to 60+ PsiDream's emails I'm it. I didn't know how to stop it and I would think "Yikes" and just delete them all, unopened.

This went on for 3 years.

Then on Saturday 1st of March 2008 I woke out of an amazing dream. I wrote typed it up on my stand-alone computer, copied it to floppy then went to an Internet Cafe to email it to a.friend, interstate.

When I opened my email account there was just one lonely email. So I opened it. It was from PsiDream.

It shocked my socks off.

In short, I had "mutual dreamed" with Jennifer Dumperts dream group

After that I opened started visiting Internet Cafes more frequently and opened every post from "psidream". I even plucked up the courage to post, a bit.

Later the site went quiet. It was the only site I knew about. I thought it was the only site on dreams. So I complained to CdeDream' a poster that I liked from the site. Then I had a dream with her in. I emailed her and told her about the dream and she sent me the link to Saltcube.

I came to Saltcube during EyeOneBlack's 30th (of 47) dream remote viewing experiments on the 27th of July 2008.

While EyeOneBlack ran his remote viewing, Saltcube was alive with many interesting threads.

Saltcube is sadly (for me) very quiet now.

I am practically the only one posting there now. This guy called DrWho popped-in to "Wollup" me. He called me a "loon". Then he praised this site. That's how I found Dream Views.

I don't care if you guys hate my Mat-Nick, I like him.

Nicholas Newport hasn't posted on his site in yonks and I miss him.

I honestly think you guys are just butthurt that he's getting paid and you aren't xD
If he's helping people get lucid, who the hell cares if his science is off?

By the way, I have no idea what kind of info this guy is giving, I haven't seen the package he's selling either.
But I've been LDing for long enough to be pretty sure that 'rollover signals' are real. I've discussed it with many other members before and the more you can resist scratching, rolling over, changing positions, etc. the faster SP will usually arrive.

@spaceexplorer: now who's the one talking out of their ass? You're saying that SP isn't the response of the body, but that of the brain. Everyone knows this, and you saying that isn't contradicting any roll over signal theory at all. Yes, SP is your body's defense system so you don't hurt yourself while dreaming. Obviously your brain looks for certain signals before it enters SP or else what would stop you from being paralyzed any time during the say? One of those signals clearly must be whether any major limbs are moving. I'd like to see you try to enter SP while swinging around your arm, or even while doing a constant barrel roll in your bed.

@dreamqueen: Why is this so ludicrous ? The body and mind are controlled by different parts of the brain. If they were always perfectly in sync then it would be impossible to enter SP as the second your body froze up your mind would 'fall asleep'.

Originally Posted by Swikity

I honestly think you guys are just butthurt that he's getting paid and you aren't xD
If he's helping people get lucid, who the hell cares if his science is off?
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Nobody here cares about the money (at least I don't)
it's about the accurate portrayal of information... THE END DOES NOT JUSTIFY THE MEAN!!!
and we want accurate information to be spread about LDing because we care about LDing, it's drastically changed my life for the better... in order to LD successfully I had to quit drugs, meditate regularly which caused an ease in my teenage temperament, and enjoy the act of reading which helped me get my GPA to 3.86 ... I care very deeply about LDing, because it changed my life... it saved my life.
You talk like somebody who has little respect for the opinions of others, I believe you may have completely missed the point of LDing; it might not hurt to start from the beginning (aka writing up a new DJ) and try the process again so you might see why you're attempting to LD in the first place. But before saying comments like that, please think of why you're typing the comment in the first place... to help? or to hinder?

Let’s get to it

Some of “You” respected DreamViewers hate my Mat-Nick’s (Nicholas Newport’s) work. Let us get specific about exactly what you hate.

I will begin at the free YouTube part 5 of Lucidology 101:

Part 5 (7:50) full transcript.

(00:00)

Hi, this is Nicholas Newport and welcome to “Lucidology 101” how to trick your body into falling asleep to quickly start having lots of OBE’s and Lucid Dreams without using any visualizations.

Here in part 5 we’ll cover the exact relaxation routine you can use to fall asleep quickly so you can cure insomnia and have frequent Lucid Dreams and OBE’s. You don’t have to spend hours of relaxing every part of your body in order to have OBE’s. About 90% of your body’s tension is in about 10% of your muscles. If you just target those Key areas you can relax quickly enough that your body will interpret it as a signal to fall asleep.

Most books on relaxation say to lay down and start relaxing at your feet and work you way up to your head. That’s not the most effective way to do it because the vast majority of your body’s tension is in your jaws, not your feet.

The jaw is the strongest muscle area in terms of exerted force. The world record for bite strength is 975 foot-pounds for 2 seconds. No other muscle in your body can exert more total force than your jaw muscles. And no muscle holds more tension.

Many people go their whole lives and never consciously think to relax their jaws, this causes “Bruxism” or teeth grinding which wears down your teeth and causes other problems such as:

toothaches
headaches
earaches
tinnitus (which is ringing in the ears)
and even dizziness

So the very first thing to do before an OBE induction is to relax your jaws.

(1:25)
This step is absolutely required. It only takes a few seconds so it gives you the most “bang for your buck” of all the relaxations you can do. Start with a very firm massage of the meaty part of your upper-jaws in front of and below your ears. This is called your (?) muscle and is the single biggest culprit for locked up muscle knots in the entire body. Press strongly with your fingers on both sides of your head and get a good hurt feeling.

The second step is to squeeze on both sides of your jaws with your palms instead of just your fingers. You can use quite a bit of force when you do this because your jaws are quite strong. Let you’re your jaw go as slack as you can while you’re pressing.

It is common to stretch before and after exercise by stretching your legs by touching your toes, but, have you ever stretched your jaw muscles? You may look silly doing this but it really does go a long way to relaxing your jaws.

So the third step is to relax your jaws as much as you can then use your fingers to pull your jaws open. You may be surprised at how much your jaws resist your fingers but by stretching them you can get the tension out.

My Grandfather was the professor of a science called relaxology. One of his colleagues could relax his jaw so much that you could wiggle it with your hands and it felt like there was nothing holding his jaws on his head. You don’t have to relax your jaws that much but I mention it to give you an idea of just how much tension there is in your jaw even if you think you are relaxed.

(2:55)
Step 4 is to stretch your arms and chest against the wall. Place a palm flat on the wall and turn the trunk of your body so that you get a very good stretch from the very tips of you’re fingers down your forearm, your bicep, your shoulder and all across your chest.

Exhale all the tension out. Repeat this twice with both arms.

Step 5 is to stretch against the wall by placing both palms against the wall then bending forward. This really targets you shoulder and chest tension.

Inhale and exhale fully and slowly three times to work out all the tension, then stand-up normally, then repeat the stretch.

(3:30) we are half-way through this YouTube clip…
Step 6 (to be continued)

(fin 7:50) 3:30 half-way.

Right now I’m at home transcribing a pirated YouTube of video 5 of Lucidology 101. I will copy it to memory stick and go to Subbies Internet Café so I can put it on DreamViews. Later I’ll finish transcribing the rest of part 5 and stick it up tomorrow. It is 4pm Saturday 21 August 2010 here. (BFN DEB)

continuing part 5 …

(3:30)

Step 6

Is to stretch the bottom of your feet by propping your foot against the wall and leaning forward. This will give you a good calf stretch. Repeat this on each foot and then sit down and massage the individual muscles on the soles of your feet with your hands.

Step 7

Is to stretch the palm of each hand by pushing the fingers back with the other hand this also gives your forearms a nice stretch.

Step 8

is the last stretching step. Do some slow, “windmills” to relax your shoulders. It is tempting to skip this step but your shoulders carry almost as much tension as your jaw. So, it’s important to stretch and relax your shoulder as much as possible.

For step 9

Remember, one purpose for the “Roll-over” signal is to get you to roll-over, which causes you to gather and release tension.
Here’s a trick to speed that up or even skip over it.

Lay-down in bed and relax as much as you can for 15 seconds or so. Then roll-over and relax for a couple more seconds. Repeat this several times and it will relax the rest of your muscles quite quickly.

This works because normally when you relax one body part to relax it you have to tense-up another part. For instance, to stretch one hand you had to tense up the other hand. By laying down and rolling around for a minute you stretch and relax everything a little bit at a time and finish your roll over phase all at once.

Once you’re done rolling around

Step 10

is to start doing “Stop-Drop-and-Roll”.

Lay flat on your back with your hands above your head and start daydreaming. See Lucidology 101 part 3 on how to do “Stop-Drop-and-Roll” if you haven’t yet.


Step 11

is to do begin “Sleep Breathing” see Lucidology 101 part 4 for details on that.

{Ok, folks, after I finish transcribing this (part 5) I will transcribe part 3 “Stop-Drop-and-Roll” then part 4 on “Sleep-Breathing}

I will transcribe the last 3 minutes of this, which is steps 12 to 16, later. (BFN Debra).

(5:00)

Step 11

is to do begin “Sleep Breathing” see Lucidology 101 part 4 for details on that.

Step 12
Is to relax your eyes and stop eye micro-movements. Roll your eyes around in both directions a few times and then let them rest. The idea is to completely forget that your eyes even exist, To do that do

Step 13

count 150 heart beats.

Focusing on your heart for a long time will will make it feel likes it’s going to beat its way out of your chest. However if you get up and actually check your pulse you’ll find it’s beating like normal. The heart pounding sensation is just a trick of the mind which will help you distract you from your eyes.

After 150 heartbeats you’ve come to

step 14

which is to switch on the roll-over signal

drop your arms down to your side and move to

step 15

which is to tense and release each muscle group.

By now you should be pretty deeply relaxed, continue to sleep-breath and sense where you have some tention left. Slightly tense that area for a moment and then release it. This will cause you to relax that muscle further than before you tensed it. Start at your jaws and end at your feet.

To do this count 150 heart beats, starting at 300 which tires your brain out a little faster. After every 10 heart beats pause the count and tense and release another muscle group. For instance, when you get to 160 tense and relax your jaws. At 170 tense and relax your face. At 180 tense and relax your neck and so forth.

If you loose track of what number you’re on that’s a good signe that it’s working and that you’re falling asleep. When you get to 450 you’ll either be asleep or you’ll be feeling the roll-over signal. Or, if you don’t have a strong roll-over signal then just daydream and continue to sleep-breath for a while untill it’s srong enough.

When you really feel the need to roll-over you’ve reached

Step 16
Which is to simply roll-over and release any remailing tension.

Continue sleep breathing and you’ll black out in a few moments.

Two things that really speed things up are socks and earplugs.

You may not know how much your body temperature drops when you sleep but when your feet are just a little bit cold it’s really hard to relax. So, wear socks even if you don’t think you need them.

Ear-plugs are also incredibly valuable for falling asleep fast. You can get them at Amazon or Target. Silicone putty ear-plugs work the best and you can make them last for several uses by washing them with soap after each use.

Here is the complete relaxation system step by step:

(1) Jaw Massage

(2) Jaw Palm Squeeze

(3) Jaw Stretch

(4) Horizontal Wall Chest Stretch

(5) Vertical Chest Stretch

(6) Stretch Your Feet

(7) Stretch Your Hands

(8) Relax Your Shoulders

(9) “Pre-Roll” To Dissipate Overall Body Tension

(10) Start “Stop, Drop & Roll”: Hands Above Your Head

(11) Start Sleep Breathing

(12) Roll Eyes To Relas Them

(13) 150 Heart Beat Count to Forget About Eyes

(14) Bring Arms Down To Enter To “Drop” Mode

(15) Tense & Relax Muscles That Are Still Tense

(16) Roll

Lesson Finishes here at the 7:33 point of the 10:18 YouTube.

Originally Posted by LucidSleeperCel

Nobody here cares about the money (at least I don't)
it's about the accurate portrayal of information... THE END DOES NOT JUSTIFY THE MEAN!!!
and we want accurate information to be spread about LDing because we care about LDing, it's drastically changed my life for the better... in order to LD successfully I had to quit drugs, meditate regularly which caused an ease in my teenage temperament, and enjoy the act of reading which helped me get my GPA to 3.86 ... I care very deeply about LDing, because it changed my life... it saved my life.
You talk like somebody who has little respect for the opinions of others, I believe you may have completely missed the point of LDing; it might not hurt to start from the beginning (aka writing up a new DJ) and try the process again so you might see why you're attempting to LD in the first place. But before saying comments like that, please think of why you're typing the comment in the first place... to help? or to hinder?

The ENDS do justify the means if there's no harm done to the individual.
You pretty much just did what you claimed he did.
The way in which lucid dreaming is done is still not a completely conclusive concept wherein one technique works for everyone.
We all have our little added ways of meeting our goal, so to imply that he's wrong because there's supposedly a "Right way" of doing it is completely rude. Not to mention using your story as a crutch. You have your right to think a certain way of doing something is right. He has his.

I can't believe people are being snobby about this. First it's taking supplements, then listening beats/tones, and now this. Unbelievable.

Debrajane,

Sounds like a Dan Brown movie, all those steps leading you to enlightenment. But have you heard of Google before? Clearly you've heard of copying and pasting, as the posts above me would indicate.

I think you guys will appreciate this.

I will do it in 3 posts and I’ll make the font blue so you can find all three easily in between other folks posts. And if you think it’s “crap” say so. (!!!)

101 part 7 Lucid Dream Timer Method

(00:10)

If you have ever tried to do OBE’s or Lucid Dreams in the past and you were left wondering if maybe there was some missing piece or there was some secret missing key and if only you had that missing key then things would be a lot easier. Well here it is. Here is that missing key that I wish that I had, had when I first started doing OBE’s.

Here in Lucidology part 7 we’ll cover the “Timer Method”. This is a very powerful trick that allows you to “cheat” and easily trigger as many OBE’s as you want. I’ve read dozens of books on OBE’s and I’ve tested every single method I could find. There really is no method that gives faster results than this.

In fact it’s possible that you’ll have your very first OBE the very first time you use this.

That doesn’t always happen but quite a few people have written in to tell me that this is the secret that got them over-the-edge to start having frequent OBE’s in just one night. So far we’ve learned how to put the body to sleep as fast as we can and enter a subconscious focus. You start out awake and alert and end up asleep and in a subconscious focus on the lower left (video diagram).

But, what we really want looks more like this. What you want is to “hover” on the awake-asleep threshold so you slip into a subconscious focus without losing too much awareness by slipping in to a deep sleep. This way you retain full awareness in your subconscious.

You may be thinking, “Easier said than done”, because what usually happens when people try to do this is they just fall asleep and that’s the end of it. The solution most books give is to hope that you magically become aware within the dream spontaneously. The idea is by telling yourself over and over while you are awake, to become lucid, that eventually you’ll have lucid dreams just from force of habit alone.

This is possible but it’s very unreliable.

It takes months of practice to get this to work and even when you can do it, it’s always a matter of luck, you never know for sure if you’re going to have an OBE on any given night.

Here’s the secret. What if you could cheat and manufacture your own lucidity trigger so that even if you fell completely asleep you’d still end up having an OBE. It turns out such a secret weapon does exist.

It is called a digital cooking timer.

(2:33)

Hi folks

I will post this and have a break.

I am back,

What do you want me to google, Ethereal?

To continue:

Here’s the secret. What if you could cheat and manufacture your own lucidity trigger so that even if you fell completely asleep you’d still end up having an OBE. It turns out such a secret weapon does exist.

It is called a digital cooking timer.

(2:33)

The idea is to fall asleep as normal and don’t even try to stay aware. You set the timer to beep so it wakes you up a few minutes later. By falling asleep and waking up every few minutes, without moving, you formed a safety-net so you don’t fall too deeply asleep but instead enter a subconscious focus. This uses a principle from hypnosis called “fractionation”. Hypnotic fractionation means that when you’re put into a trance then are taken from that trance the next time you enter a trance you’ll enter it more deeply than before. That means that if you can enter even the slightest trance then you can enter a very deep trance just by going in and out of that trance over and over.

This is how you can, “hover” on the awake-asleep threshold and ease you way into an OBE without having to use any kind of practice or skill. Remember that everything we covered earlier about the, “Roll” signal still applies. This only works when you use the “timer” and do not move at any point.

If you wake up and fall asleep 4 or 5 times in an hour without moving you’ll start to have spontaneous paralysis, OBE vibrations and OBE’s.

However if you wake-up and then fall asleep twice, shift position, then wake up and fall asleep 3 more times, then that won’t work nearly as well.

So here’s the big picture in a nutshell.

(3:50)

First, you wake-up and fall asleep 4 or 5 times, without moving, using a timer.
{and you should use the sleep commands from Lucidology 101 parts 3 and 4}
This will put you in sleep paralysis.

Then you use movement-free reality checks {which we will cover in part 8} to check that you’ve shifted into a non-physical focus.

Then you use an “exit” method to convert paralysis into an OBE or lucid dream.
{we’ll cover basic “exit” methods in Lucidology 101 part 12} and then {advanced “exit” methods in Lucidology 102}

To do this you have a couple of options for timers, including:

Cooking timers
Timer MP3’s and
The Lucidology Flash timer.

I started out using a $10 cooking timer and it works just fine. To use one of these memorise the buttons so you can re-set it using your thumb without looking at it. Sleep with it in one hand then use only your thumb when re-setting it and the rest of your body will stay in paralysis.

Alternately, in your Lucidology’s Explorers kit you get timer MP3’s that contain pre-defined timer set-ups. To get these visit Lucidology .com. Finally, you can use the Lucidology Flash timer which also comes in your FREE Lucidology dream kit. The flash timer allows you to customise your timer set-up and change your intervals between the beeps however you want.

You timer’s set-up has a giant impact on how many OBEs you have. I have spent countless hours testing various timer set-ups and here is the most reliable workhorse set-up.

It’s called “Ramp” and the intervals are:

8 minutes
4 minutes
8 minutes
12 minutes
16 minutes
20 minutes
20 minutes
6 minutes
6 minutes
6 minutes
(Repeating)

Here is what you can expect when you use the “Ramp” set-up.

During the middle of the 20 minute intervals you’re likely to have lucid dreams and possibly spontaneous OBE’s. During the tail-end 6 minute intervals you’re likely to have OBE’s.

Here’s why.

If you have ever used an alarm clock to wake-up at the same time each morning you may have found that you started waking-up 5 minutes before the alarm actually started beeping. You had conditioned the subconscious to expect the beep but “it” does not like to be shocked awake. So, “it’s” response is to wake you up before the beep.

You can use this effect to your advantage by faking the subconscious out.

(6:10)I’m going to take another break (BFN Deb)

I’m back

This is the last 4 minutes:

If you have ever used an alarm clock to wake-up at the same time each morning you may have found that you started waking-up 5 minutes before the alarm actually started beeping. You had conditioned the subconscious to expect the beep but “it” does not like to be shocked awake. So, “it’s” response is to wake you up before the beep.

You can use this effect to your advantage by faking the subconscious out.

to continue:
(6:10)

The initial 8 minute interval is used for relaxation.

After that the intervals start out short and then increase in length going from 4 up to 20 minutes, by the time you get to the 20 minute interval your subconscious is starting to expect another beep in the next 4 to 16 minutes. To avoid the “SHOCK” the subconscious goes on alert at around 4, 8 or 12 minutes.

However, during the 20 minute intervals those beeps never come. This is enough to make you become spontaneously lucid in the middle of a dream in expectation of the phantom timer beep that never happens.

The phantom beep can also give you waking sleep paralysis, because the body continues to sleep and doesn’t care about the phantom beep. Whether you get an OBE or lucid dream from this depend on where you’re focussing at the moment of the phantom beep, either in the dream or on your physical body.

If you get a lucid dream your clarity level will likely be less than most OBE’s. However, lucid dreams are often a lot more fun because they often start out in some kind of strange other-worldly area which is usually more fun to explore than the non-physical version of your bedroom.

OBE’s often have more clarity than lucid dreams.

When you use the timer method you’ll end up with plenty of each so you can decide which you prefer.

The shorter tail-end intervals usually result in OBE’s rather than lucid dreams. This is because of the hypnotic “fractionation” effect that we mentioned earlier. During the short intervals you don’t have time to slip very deeply into sleep like you do with the long intervals. This causes you to hover much more closely on the awake-asleep threshold so that when a beep comes your more likely to have a physical focus that you can use for an OBE. This is the simplest way to trick your body into falling asleep and feel the paralysis wave. When the timer beeps your body may wake up for a moment but as long as you stay perfectly still your body will create the paralysis wave and put itself to sleep after 5 or 10 seconds.

This is also an excellent time to use the sleep triggers form Lucidology 101 part 4 to command the body into paralysis.

So here is the actual method to use to have conscious sleep paralysis for the first time or even an OBE.

First, go to bed at 9 pm.

Second, get up at 4:30 am.

Third, stay up for 45 minutes till 5:15 am and avoid lights.

Fourth, go back to bed and do “Stop, Drop and Roll” to start to fall asleep.

At the end of “Stop, Drop and Roll” set your timer to use a “Ramp” timer session

Fall asleep and let the timer wake you up and put you in an OBE.

As good as this method is it does have two draw backs, first in your sleep cycle, the second is “false awakenings”. Getting up early in the morning to do OBE’s is effective but it can leave you tired the rest of the day. The solution is inductionless OBE’s.

Inductionless OBE’s are my favourite style of accessing the subconscious because they allow you to have OBE’s without messing up your sleep cycle. This is an advanced method that we’ll cover in Lucidology 102 part 8.

The second disadvantage the timer method has is actually so powerful. This side effect is called “A False Awakening Loop” in which you think you wake-up physically but actually wake-up into another OBE. You may have to wake up several times before you really do wake up again in your physical bedroom.

To solve this you basically need away to take the red pill (do a reality check) and figure out where you are and what’s going on. This is called a Reality Check. And not just any reality check will do. You need to do a movement free reality check so you can do it without disturbing your trance. I have tested dozens of types of movement-free reality checks and boiled them down to the 4 most reliable ones. Be sure to watch part 8 to find out what they are.
(10:15) end of part 7.

What I mean is, why go through such a lengthy process to find out about Lucid Dreaming? You said you thought Psidreams was the only dreaming-oriented website out there. A quick search of "Lucid Dreaming" on Google would have revealed much more, even in 2005.

Originally Posted by Ethereal

What I mean is, why go through such a lengthy process to find out about Lucid Dreaming? You said you thought Psidreams was the only dreaming-oriented website out there. A quick search of "Lucid Dreaming" on Google would have revealed much more, even in 2005.

I wasn't interested in dreaming much in 2005 I clicked on a yahoogroups site just to learn how to join something on the internet. Yahoo kept inviting me to join groups. I got curious and gave it a go. but I soon regreted it when my in box kept getting overloaded from the group I joined. I didn't know how to turn it off so I just kept deleting them all.

then I got a dream on Saturday 1st March 2008 and everything changed.

I am still not that interested in dreams per say.

I am interested in magical coincidences. I am interested in how dreams "merge" with waking reality.

Thanks so much for postings this...
I've watched these videos before and taken the advices into consideration,thanks,I'm back on the right track now...

Some of Nicholaus method just don't make sense. I wonder how many LD that guy has had, i wouldn't be surprised if his number was less than 20.

You guys should check out my LD How to video.
I uploaded this on Friday. real advice that has worked for me. and i tried to cover everything thing i know.

Part 1:


Part 2:

Hi edge0125

it is 11:11 am here and I am watching your first (10:01) YouTube called:

now it is 3:30 pm, I’ve been at Netzone Internet Café for over 3 wonderful hours doing these 2 posts about your wonderful part 1. I am just reading through these two Word-docs before I post them.

Lucid Dreaming
How to To Control Your Dreams

it is good stuff.

In this post I will copy you informative frames from your part-one clip. In my next post I will transcribe every thing “you” say.

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Note:
A lucid dream is a completely natural experience. It is just like any other dream except for the small difference of your knowledge that it is a dream. It has nothing to do with new age, the occult, or escapism, nor can it harm you any more than a regular dream could.

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Remembering your dreams is the starting place for learning to have lucid dreams. If you don’t recall your dreams, even if you do have a lucid dream, you won’t remember it!

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Dream periods get longer as the night proceeds.

The first dream of the night is the shortest, perhaps 10 minutes in length, while after 8 hours of sleep, dream periods can be 45 minutes to an hour long.

It is during the REM stage that we dream. The longer we sleep the longer the REM stage gets (which means your dreams will be longer)

(3:40)
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Is a nice clear graph plotting “sleep stages” (especially REM) against “hours slept” in a 10 hour night.

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Dream Journal

Keep a dream journal by your bed and record every dream you have.

Eventually you will be able to recall every dream you have. Your mind will know that you want to remember your dreams.

(5:26)
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Is the 2nd nice clear graphs showing 6 different brain waves:

Waking
Stage 1 sleep
Stage 2 sleep
Stage 3 sleep
Stage 4 sleep and
REM sleep

To the left is a graph showing the all 6 stages of … umm … consciousness across 8 hours (from going to sleep and waking, inclusively).

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WBTB (Wake Back To Bed) Technique

The concept behind the WBTB technique is that you are utilizing the fact that you wake up in the middle of the REM state.

It is nearly impossible to go from the waking state into a lucid dream when you go to bed first thing at night.

As you sleep, your REM cycles will became longer. This means that your dream will become longer.

The goal in this technique is to wake up in the middle of the REM stage then you can go back to sleep and enter right back into finishing that REM stage (which is when you dream).

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The 3rd neat graph of time slept with stages of sleep. Showing how time in REM increases (as the night goes on) from:

5 minutes (at ~90 minute mark)
10minutes (at ~3 hour mark)
15 minutes (at ~4 and half hour mark)
30-60 minutes (at ~between 6 and 7 hour mark)


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A 4th graph
In blue and red
Clearly showing how time in REM (dreams) increased the longer you sleep.

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WBTB

Step 1:
Set the alarm on your clock or cell phone to wake you up 2 hours before you usually wake up
This is because you will likely still be in the REM stage, which is where your dreams occur.

Step 2:
Get in bed and go to sleep at night as you normally do.

Step 3:
When the alarm wakes you up, turn it off.

(7:22)
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WBTB

Step 5
Try to stay awade for a few minutes (Some people prefer to stay a wake for a few seconds, while others prefer half an hour).

At this point you can try one of the Lucid Dreaming induction techniques. (which I will cover later on in this film)

Step 6:
Do a reality check 5 – 10 minutes to check if you are dreaming.

(8:14)
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Reality Check

This is a way of determining whether or not you are in a dream state or a waking state.

(9:57)
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Reality Checks

Examples of reality checks used by most lucid dreamers
(clip ends here with a note saying “click here for Part 2)

What is a Lucid Dream by edge0125

Lucid Dreaming: How to Control Your Dreams (Part 1 of 2)
YouTube - Lucid Dreaming: How to Control Your Dreams (Part 1 of 2)
(10:10) 112 views so far.

Transcript:

There are spaces in transcript due to no talking, because “edge0125” has many lovely photos and hypnotic music. When edge does speak he has a dreamy and hypnotic voice (I think).

(00:43)
What is a lucid dream? The most basic definition of a lucid dream is being aware you are dreaming while dreaming. Typically this happens when the dreamer experiences something strange and when they stop the question the reality, they realise they are in a dream

(01:12)
In a lucid dream anything you can imagine is possible. Generally lucid dreams are much more vivid than normal dreams. A dream can seem as real as a waking experience. This is what separates a lucid dream from a (?) dream.

(01:37)
People choose to have lucid dreams for many reasons they could be for:

An adventure
Creative inspirations
Problem solving or even for
Stopping nightmares.

Whatever you can imagine, you can do, in a lucid dream.

(04:00)
It can be useful while you are developing your dream recall to keep a dream journal. Keep the journal by your bed and record every dream you remember. Start by writing down all your dreams, not just the complete ones. Even if all you remember is a face (?) write it down.

(04:25)
A major factor that affects dream recall is competition from thoughts competing for your attention. Therefore, let the first thought upon waking be,

“What was I just dreaming?”

Before attempting to write down the dream, go over the dream, first, in your mind, retelling the dream story to yourself.

When you recall a dream scene, try to recall what happened before, what you remember, and before (?).

Remember the dream in reverse.

(5:10)
Another trick that will help with dream recall is, try setting your alarm so that it will go off when you are likely to be dreaming. We dream during the REM stage of sleep. The longer we sleep, the longer the (?), meaning that our dreams become longer as we sleep.

Our REM cycle occur at approximately 90 minute intervals.

You can use this trick by setting your alarm to go off at 4 and a half, six or 7 and a half hours after you go to sleep.

(7:51)
Have you ever noticed that you often dream about a certain situation or place or person? To a lucid dreamer these things are known as “dream signs” and they can be often used to induce lucid dreams more and more.

Normally to be able to recognise your own personal “dream signs” you have to pay close attention to your dream journal.

(8:16)
Reality check is a way of determining whether or not you are in a dream state or waking state. You should perform a reality check any time something is out of the ordinary or seeing on of your “dream signs”.


These things should already put you in a mind set that you might be dreaming, the reality check is just to make sure.

(8:38)
For beginners it is recommended that reality checks are done at a much higher rate. The logic behind this is that if you get used to doing it at random times, in waking-life, it will carry over into your dream-life. Many people have had their first lucid dream this way.

(9:13)
For example:

That most of your dreams take place inside buildings you would do a “reality check” every time you walked into a building or entered a building.

The simplest form of a reality check is just asking yourself:

“Am I Dreaming?” and look at your hands.

It is important to note that you should never do a reality check mindlessly, take a minute to look around you and ask yourself if your surroundings are really logical. Ask your self, how you got there, why you’re there and where are you going. (end of part 1)