Same problem every time

**TheWeirdnessSymposium** · 09-08-2009 10:13 AM

I've attempted WILDs and FILDs lately. Through doing meditation for years (and experiencing some FA and SP) I recognise some of the unusual occurences - feeling yourself move about in bed, loud bangs, feeling your body kind of float apart etc.

The problem I'm having now, is that every time I reach one of these key stages, I am immediately thinking, "Hey! This is one of the signs! I'm about to LD!" and it stops. It's like I'm inhibiting myself with anticipation, I think.

Is there any way to tackle this? Does it get better over time?

I'm also finding it difficult to drop off again when I'm using WBTB with MILD.

**reci** · 09-09-2009 03:35 AM

As you gain more experience, learn to control your excitement. Thus said, the more experience, the more familiar it will be and the more control you will have.

Good luck!

**Baron Samedi** · 09-09-2009 07:05 AM

I know one of the best drummers in Hawaii. He told me he asked the best drummer, "How'd you get so good?" The best drummer said, "practice."

**Jeff777** · 09-09-2009 07:38 AM

I agree with the above two posters.

**TheWeirdnessSymposium** · 09-09-2009 03:59 PM

Thank you for your input. I think I am getting past this stage now. I kinda realised that I was focusing too much on the end product. Now I've switched towards enjoying the nice and interesting sensations I experience on the whole journey; if I don't get to a dream I still can appreciate - and benefit from - the blissful relaxation.

**beachgirl** · 09-14-2009 06:30 PM

Hi, Weirdness,

Congratulations on your first MILD!!!

You ask alot of the questions I ask.
What is the correct ratio of effort vs. non-effort? It seems to be such a delicate balance.

I have tried too hard (grrrr), gotten over-excited (oh, yes!) and knocked myself out of many of my potential thrilling travels. (Guess I won't be flying *there* tonight....)

Then I have become (deliberately) nonchalant. This works occasionally.
I've even given up. (sigh...) Which also works occasionally.

And then I go back to practicing.
That works occasionally, too.

Thanks for all your questions.
bg...

**Hijo de la Luna** · 09-15-2009 01:35 AM

...hypnotic fractionation. What this means is quite simply when you are impeded relax, don't move, & try again. So, when you get excited & come to then start over. The best time to relax/fall asleep again is right after you have. Every time you come out then go back and do it again. This amplifies new neural pathway & makes it easier to access every proceeding occurrence. The real trick to this is to minimize the movement. i.e. eye movement, limb etc. Its like learning to ride a bike. When you fall over you learn to pick yourself back up & ride again. the key part here is get back on the bike. Keep it up

**TheWeirdnessSymposium** · 09-18-2009 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by beachgirl

Hi, Weirdness,

Congratulations on your first MILD!!!

You ask alot of the questions I ask.
What is the correct ratio of effort vs. non-effort? It seems to be such a delicate balance.

I have tried too hard (grrrr), gotten over-excited (oh, yes!) and knocked myself out of many of my potential thrilling travels. (Guess I won't be flying *there* tonight....)

Then I have become (deliberately) nonchalant. This works occasionally.
I've even given up. (sigh...) Which also works occasionally.

And then I go back to practicing.
That works occasionally, too.

Thanks for all your questions.
bg...

Thank you, beachgirl. I enjoyed my first MILD and I'm hungry for more.

I think you raise an important point about being deliberately nonchalant. I haven't succeeded yet, but I think I've just become aware of something simple that was impeding me - the fear of falling asleep and losing a WILD opportunity. Now I "let myself go" more. I usually don't fall asleep anyway.

I seem to be progressing through the SP step by step. I think I got further today than ever before, but it seems that every time I pay any attention to it at all, it dies.

**TheWeirdnessSymposium** · 09-18-2009 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by Hijo de la Luna

...hypnotic fractionation. What this means is quite simply when you are impeded relax, don't move, & try again. So, when you get excited & come to then start over. The best time to relax/fall asleep again is right after you have. Every time you come out then go back and do it again. This amplifies new neural pathway & makes it easier to access every proceeding occurrence. The real trick to this is to minimize the movement. i.e. eye movement, limb etc. Its like learning to ride a bike. When you fall over you learn to pick yourself back up & ride again. the key part here is get back on the bike. Keep it up

Great advice, Hijo DLL. I have found this advice at exactly the right time.

I will never stop getting back on the bike

**TheWeirdnessSymposium** · 09-18-2009 02:18 PM

I think I just got a step further. I seem to be progressing every day now. That was amazing, to be frank. I think I got a little further down, the "tunnel of fear".

The bed was warping up, I was warping up like something was pushing my back. It was pulsing, like a "vwoom, vwoom, vwoom" and I felt like I was inflating. And somehow out of nowhere my mantra totally changed and I saw a 'visual mantra'.

My eyes went crazy too.