About two years at least, I actually can't believe I stuck with it so long-well not that I actually really do anything to have them now except WBTB. Still can't WILD but am working on it.

I thought I'd never get one, it seemed like lucid dreaming was this crazy unattainable thing that most other people could do (on this forum anyway) but I couldn't Then finally I got one, so if anyone is feeling discouraged, just know that however long it takes you you will get there eventually. By the way I'm not saying expect it to take you as long as it took me because most people seem to have them within a month of hearing about them, I must just be a really slow learner.