Thread: Binaural beats?

Originally Posted by Piedude

Do binaural beats work for everyone or do you have to be near REM stage (For lucid dream binaurals obv) Because I tried it for a nap and woke 20 mins later and I dont think I had any dreams at all....

Hey um... I've been trying binaural beats for quite some time, with No success whatsoever... Until!! I found these

http://gnomad.info/

Their absolutely free and i got them from this forum

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/we...-t14409.0.html

on the first page just go to the little links on the top right, my favorite is boxed nirvana...

I have to say, I have a very stubborn mind, and its been so hard for me to learn all this stuff, (I wanna learn to WILD) but with just a couple of tries with these mp3's, I got into SP and HI!!!!! that was a huge surprise for me, cause I was giving up on these beats... But I think these will actually help me get somewhere.. as soon as i start listening to it i feel relaxed and get vibrations.. and get into HI real quick...


try them out!! let me know if they work for you too!

http://gnomad.info/

they worked great on me when i nap... not too much at bed time, cause then i just fall asleep...

ok ill try that out. im gonna try the boxed nirvana II first. Ill give a thanks if it works

The problem with using binaurals to induce dreams, is that they don't.

If the claims are true (by the way, I have not found ANY scholarly information that confirms that binaurals can alter brainwaves. This leads me to believe that binaurals are nothing more than a placebo.), then binaurals can bring you into beta wave sleep.

Beta wave sleep is where REM occurs, but it's also the same activity as waking thought. What's the guarantee that you enter REM, instead of simply waking up?

Our minds have a process they must go through, a rollercoaster of brainwaves they must enter, at specific times, before entering REM. This lasts about an hour. And while you /could/ get a binaural track that mimics these brainwaves, there would be absolutely no way to distinguish results attained naturally from those supposedly "induced" by binaurals.

Originally Posted by Abra

The problem with using binaurals to induce dreams, is that they don't.

If the claims are true (by the way, I have not found ANY scholarly information that confirms that binaurals can alter brainwaves. This leads me to believe that binaurals are nothing more than a placebo.), then binaurals can bring you into beta wave sleep.

Beta wave sleep is where REM occurs, but it's also the same activity as waking thought. What's the guarantee that you enter REM, instead of simply waking up?

Our minds have a process they must go through, a rollercoaster of brainwaves they must enter, at specific times, before entering REM. This lasts about an hour. And while you /could/ get a binaural track that mimics these brainwaves, there would be absolutely no way to distinguish results attained naturally from those supposedly "induced" by binaurals.

What?

There are hundred of scientific papers on binaural beats and its effects. One great application is using binaural beats during surgery, reducing the need for sedatives greatly.

You can find some here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binaural_beats#References

I wouldn't call any sleep stage "beta wave sleep", we have a mix of different brainwaves in REM, beta, alpha and theta. See also: http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives...9909.Ns.r.html

Though I don't know why this is important, the primary use of binaural beats is used during waking, not sleeping. You can experience altered states of consciousness that can be facilitated by binaural beats, it's just a help.

You can experiment yourself, it's very easy to do.

I have certainly felt the effects of binaural beats before, and so have many others. It's not just placebo.

Originally Posted by Specialis Sapientia

Though I don't know why this is important, the primary use of binaural beats is used during waking, not sleeping. You can experience altered states of consciousness that can be facilitated by binaural beats, it's just a help.

You can experiment yourself, it's very easy to do.

I have certainly felt the effects of binaural beats before, and so have many others. It's not just placebo.

Yes!

and I'm guessing (based on my experience) that different beats work for different people, you just gotta find the ones that work for you...

It helps my relaxation very much!! and my thoughts start slipping away easier than without these beats that I posted before...

Its not like its GONNA MEKE YOU LD!! but it does help you get on the right track....

Originally Posted by Specialis Sapientia

What?

There are hundred of scientific papers on binaural beats and its effects. One great application is using binaural beats during surgery, reducing the need for sedatives greatly.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10460529
Does seem reputable.

I haven't seen "hundreds," though. The most I've seen for binaural brainwave studies, were studies generated by the binaural merchants themselves, and described qualitatively (or, papers that cite those studies). Of course, all I've tried as far as searching goes is Google Scholar, typing in "binaural beats brainwaves."

Though I don't know why this is important, the primary use of binaural beats is used during waking, not sleeping. You can experience altered states of consciousness that can be facilitated by binaural beats, it's just a help.

Yup. I doubt it will aid in lucid dreaming, as well.

Regarding placebo...

Even the binaural websites say that you must focus on the beats, and meditate along with them, to work. Can they not work on their own for some reason? And how can you tell the difference between effects from meditation, and effects from binaurals?

I'm just saying, don't waste your money on these. As there are free versions abound, and I'm certain there's no difference from the pay sites.

Originally Posted by Abra

Regarding placebo...

Even the binaural websites say that you must focus on the beats, and meditate along with them, to work. Can they not work on their own for some reason? And how can you tell the difference between effects from meditation, and effects from binaurals?

I'm just saying, don't waste your money on these. As there are free versions abound, and I'm certain there's no difference from the pay sites.

Yes, one gets the most out of them when one meditate, given that one is using the correct frequencies for that purpose. Though binaural beats can also be effective in other situations, against pain; during/post surgery and for enhanced learning in some circumstances.

Since this is a lucid dreaming forum the purpose of using binaural beats should mainly be meditation. The question of whether it work on its own or not is a tricky one. I would say yes, but only to the degree that one don't counter-act the effect, if one is relaxed and comfortable it can do something. It will only help if it is allowed to do so.

The problem is defining "meditation". If one relaxes and calm the mind, it is or can be meditation, what binaural beats does is that it speeds up the process and/or makes it easier to achieve a desired state of consciousness. It might be a semantic problem regarding that question.

It does not require much experimentation to see the possible effect of binaural beats vs. unaided. One can use simply statistical methods, over time one gets a picture.

One important thing is to see binaural beats as helpful thing, but only to certain limits. It's best for the introduction, one should rather be able to achieve desired states unaided, but if that requires some help at first then binaural beats can be excellent for that. See it as training wheels on a bicycle, when one learns to bike properly the training wheels will only be a hindrance to one, one must realize this and let go of it. This can be said of almost all techniques or "rituals" for anything, but it's very relevant for such thing as meditation.

I wouldn't pay for it too, there are many free ones and one can easily make them for oneself.

Let me state that binaural beats are not a necessary thing, but can be quite helpful for many people. I just advice simple personal experimentation, it might just do wonders.

I haven't had any success yet with binaural beats and lucid dreaming. I don't even understand how that would work? Since you first have to fall into deep sleep. Unless you're using the binaural beats for some nap WILD? I guess it can work in that scenario.

But, they are a lot of fun! And they did help me to know what a deeper state of mind feels like. Before trying the beats, I could never quiet my mind for meditation. But the first beats I tried just melted my mind. Like, I could hear/feel my mind chatter just melt away into nothingness. And then I was so absorbed into the beats, it wasn't even possible to have mind chatter for the rest of the time!

It was also awesome hearing that extremely low tone that's actually too low for the human ear to hear.

The most effective beats I've listened to were random free ones I found online with no music added to them. I've tried one or two with flowing music, but they don't have anywhere near the same effect on me.

Thanks Jessie Ill try those

Originally Posted by Piedude

Thanks Jessie Ill try those

Yeah sure!!, like I said, I have a very stubborn mind so I haven't had much success with anything yet!! haven't given up tho!

I have had lucid dreams, and even False awakenings... But they dont last long and happend in very random moments... haven't had one in like a month already and now I'm working so I only have weekends to get really into trying...

But these beats really do relax me and they help me focus, I was finally able to get into a cool trance so... let me know how they work for you....