Simple Lucid Dreams: stress free induction

**BillyBob** · 01-26-2010 04:08 AM

This is a thread for all those who don't enjoy _ILD induction. This community has a knack for taking the simple process of becoming aware in your dreams, and turning it into over the top complex analytical systems. These systems might work for a few people, but a lot of people (me) are just confused and scared by them.

What happened to lay down --> have ld?
I mean, come on. Does over-complication solve anything? Do newbies now have more lucids than the newbies of 5 years ago? How many regular Joes/Janes who read these _ILD systems eventually have consistent lucid dreams -- without it interfering with their real lives in any way? Are _ILDs more vivid, more complex, more concrete, or more beautiful than less stressfully induced LDs? Lucid dreaming should be about chilling out and having easy free fun. Why make such a big deal out of it?

Keep in mind here that I haven't invented a new way to get lucid dreams. I'm basically just trying to pull away all the dogma and give you a logical, simple, instantly applicable way to get lucid. Mainly I just wanted to take away all the 'mind' stuff. You don't have to know anything about yourself, your dreams, or your 'subconscious' to do any of this. The dumbest high school jock could get lucids with this - that was the point.

Simple Lucid Dreams
stress free induction.

This is the simplest way I know of to get consistent LDs. You don't have to get 'good' at doing this because you're not directly inducing lucid dreams; Instead, you're indirectly setting yourself up to be in prime condition to naturally induce a lucid dream.
Because of this, the more lucid dreams you have this way, the easier it will be to get more in the future. You naturally learn to more easily notice when you are in a dream. Its stress free induction.

Basically just do most or all of these regularly:

Sleep for a long time.
The longer you're asleep, the longer your REM cycles become.

Relax before you fall asleep.
Do some meditation as you're falling asleep. A wound up mind is not an observant mind.

Keep a dream journal.
It doesn't have to take more than a minute each morning. Just write the gist of your dreams.

Wake up, count down.
Wake up at night and then count down from 1000 as you fall back to sleep. It doesn't matter what you do between getting up and counting down.

Reality check.
If you ever think about dreams, or see something that reminds you of dreams, pinch your nose and try to breathe through it. If you can't, you aren't dreaming right now.

Don't think about it.
Sitting around thinking about lucid dreaming all day won't get you more lucid dreams, It'll get you less. Find something else to do; anything else.

And do some of these when you really want to have a lucid dream. They aren't as powerful as the above, but they do have an effect. I ordered them randomly, not in level of importance:

Starve yourself.
Dreams become incredibly vivid when you're hungry. Be really hungry when you fall asleep.

Eat B6, B12, melatonin.

Don't take too much, but too little won't do anything. Too much of anything can kill - research deeply before using. You were warned.

Sleep with the light on.
You will sleep lighter, which is good for getting lucids.

Wear earplugs.
Sensory deprivation sometimes helps.

Keep a TV or radio on, without earplugs.
Sensory information can sometimes help. Doesn't matter how loud it is.

Sleep in a weird place.
On a couch, on a floor, in someone else's bed - anywhere you don't normally sleep.

Do something exciting.
Once I rode my bicycle from Florida to Virginia - I went from no lucid dreams to four a night instantly. Once it stopped being exciting, they stopped again. Try and do something that takes an entire day. Like a concert, or a hiking trip. Or whatever you would find exciting.

Avoid other's techniques.
If you want an induction method, create your own from scratch. A thousand variables effect what will and won't work for any given person. Even after creating your own, you'll need to totally change it over time, as you yourself change. You don't really need one - they're more trouble than they're worth.

Have lazy mornings.
Sleep as long as usual, then just lay there after you wake up for another few hours; drifting in and out of sleep.

Get horny.
Get sexually charged before sleeping. This means depriving yourself of certain things. Sexual dreams can easily become lucid dreams.

Sleep deprivation.
Sleep little or not at all one night, and the next night you'll have REM rebound. More REM equals more lucid dreams, especially when combined with wake up, count down.

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Yeah, that's it.
_ILD methods aren't worthless, they just contain a lot of stuff that most people don't need. You'll find that as you become lucid more often you'll start to spontaneously develop your own personal 'induction method.' As you notice things that are particularly potent for you, focus on them more.

Have fun.

**Conkt** · 01-26-2010 05:55 AM

The Messiah has returned! Thanks for this

**AngelZlayer** · 01-26-2010 11:08 AM

Not having had my first ld yet, an article about not stressing is just what I needed

I'm currently trying MILD/DILD, but I guess it might take a few months before it properly settles in my sub-c, huh?

Originally Posted by BillyBob

Get horny.
Get sexually charged before sleeping. This means depriving yourself of certain things. Sexual dreams can easily become lucid dreams.

I guess I'm good to go for a nap ld then

**Mzzkc** · 01-26-2010 12:12 PM

The only point I don't agree with is not thinking about it. Although, I can see how obsessing over it too much could be stressful for newbies.

Other than that (and the counting thing), you've pretty much just summed up what I've been doing this past month. Thank you winter break.

That said, I think my monthly lucid count speaks for how well this can work (31 as of this post). Sure, there are some WILDs in there, but they weren't anything I went out my way for.

Thanks for taking the time to post this. Without you, it probably never would have gotten out there in such an accessible manner.

**kingofhypocrites** · 01-26-2010 02:15 PM

How much b6 and b12 is too much? I just started taking a b complex supplement. Seems like my dream recall and lucidity has actually went down, but could be unrelated.

**Captain Sleepalot** · 01-26-2010 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by BillyBob

Sleep for a long time.
The longer you're asleep, the longer your REM cycles become.

This is the simplest thing that has increased my LD count in the past few months. As much as I have had an interest in lucid dreaming, and love experiencing them, over the past few years (who am I kidding, the past ten years) I have really suffered from sleep deprivation.

I would try to "get by" on 4-5 hours of sleep per night, and after having done that for years I am now getting at least 10-12 hours per night. Since I have started doing that, my dreams have become way more vivid and I usually get lucid at least once per night (with varying levels of lucidity from night to night).

Also feel a lot more lucid during the day, too, which is nice.

**nina** · 01-26-2010 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Sleepalot

This is the simplest thing that has increased my LD count in the past few months. As much as I have had an interest in lucid dreaming, and love experiencing them, over the past few years (who am I kidding, the past ten years) I have really suffered from sleep deprivation.

I would try to "get by" on 4-5 hours of sleep per night, and after having done that for years I am now getting at least 10-12 hours per night. Since I have started doing that, my dreams have become way more vivid and I usually get lucid at least once per night (with varying levels of lucidity from night to night).

Exactly. Stole the words from my mouth. I was even tempted to make a thread last week about just simply, sleeping more. It has always worked to end dry spells, and assure lucidity pretty much whenever I desire it.

Also regarding this thread...yes. People should really take this to heart and stop overcomplicating everything.

**arby** · 01-26-2010 07:58 PM

Great thread

As always, you have that knack to take the sorts of things I want to explain but that I eternally fail to explain properly and you put them into threads that do it more concisely then I thought possible =O

Now I just have to wait until you master visualization so you can mop up the mess I've made of explaining it ;P (It's regretful I attached -ILD to it, but I'm not sure if anyone pays attention to non -ILDs anymore unless they are well experienced in the subject matter already)

**FluBB** · 01-26-2010 09:28 PM

heh nice work. i have been thinking about this problem as well. it seems that when i get really involved in lucid dreaming and try all the weird techniques my lucid dream count goes down. when i just relax and dont think about it all that often they seem to just pop up. the problem is that i want them NOW! im all about immediate gratification

so i come on this site hoping for some new technique to magically pop up. but you got the basics all right.
Sleep for a long time.
Relax before you fall asleep.
Keep a dream journal.
Reality check.
Don't think about it.

over the years ive been on the site it seems that new people join and post like 4,000 posts in 3 months then they disappear off the face of the earth. they try too hard. completely obsessing over lucid dreams is a big mistake. the best thing ive learned about lucid dreams is that life is much more precious. i should spend my waking time better to make my waking life better.. not spend my waking life to make my sleeping life better... that just doesnt make sense. thanks!

**Clyde Machine** · 01-26-2010 10:09 PM

Hm. This thread seems to take all those other induction techniques and turns them on their head. I had my first real lucid from sleeping in one morning, getting way more sleep than I actually needed. I've been trying WILDing, and would like to succeed at that, but what I think I'll do is get excessive sleep on some mornings, just to simple-DILD - which, as far as I can tell, is what BillyBob pretty much said in the first post. SLD.

**Robot_Butler** · 01-26-2010 10:29 PM

If you're looking to simplify, I would sum up all of lucid dreaming with one phrase:
"Pay attention!"

Pay attention while you're awake. Pay attention as you're falling asleep. Pay attention as you're dreaming.

**Super FZL** · 01-27-2010 02:48 PM

This tutorial makes more sense than anything else. Lucidity is natural, and it shouldn't be achieved through strange and unnatural means. And that counting back from 1000 trick works really well. I got to about 906 before I fell asleep, and I'm usually up for 30 minutes to a hour before going to sleep.

**Jacq** · 01-27-2010 11:19 PM

Get horny.
Get sexually charged before sleeping. This means depriving yourself of certain things. Sexual dreams can easily become lucid dreams.

Does masturbating before going to bed helps or not ?

**Conkt** · 01-28-2010 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by Jacq

Does masturbating before going to bed helps or not ?

That makes you less horny. Deprive yourself for a couple days.

**Super FZL** · 01-28-2010 01:21 AM

Actually, the tutorial says to "develop your own personal 'induction method.'" Try it with and without and see the difference and which works better for you.

**bushi** · 01-28-2010 09:15 AM

Thanked and bookmarked.

Cheers.

**FluBB** · 01-28-2010 10:46 AM

id like to suggest one more thing to the simple list of things everyone should do.
Be Aware.
it amazes me how much i am unaware of what is going on around me. we create bubbles in our own visualization of reality. we forget to really stop and use all of our senses to breathe in the situation. to really become part of the world. its becoming increasingly hard to do so because everyone has such busy schedules these days... im making a conscious effort everyday at least once to really take in my surroundings.

**jessie1203** · 01-28-2010 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by FluBB

id like to suggest one more thing to the simple list of things everyone should do.
Be Aware.
it amazes me how much i am unaware of what is going on around me. we create bubbles in our own visualization of reality. we forget to really stop and use all of our senses to breathe in the situation. to really become part of the world. its becoming increasingly hard to do so because everyone has such busy schedules these days... im making a conscious effort everyday at least once to really take in my surroundings.

I KNOW!!!! Its amazing!!! we become robots!, we program ourselves to do things and later on we just do them automatically..

example.. every time i get home I turn on a lamp right next to the computer right after i sit... sometimes I'll reach to turn it on EVEN THO its already ON!!
that shows how unaware I was I didn't even notice the light was on and that I didnt have to reach to turn it....

we do this with the time we go in to take a shower, we do it IN the shower... when we drive, everything becomes programed... automatic, our mind gets used to taking things like their All ordinary... normal. cause we don't stop for a minute to actually experience things...

Being aware and do things KNOWING that you're actually doing them is a great advice... (In my opinion anyways)

Because when we go thru the world doing everything automatically, when we dream its also automatic, so how do you expect to realize you're dreaming, if your mind is used to taking everything as it comes....

if that makes sense

PS: sorry if I became repetitive

**Clyde Machine** · 01-28-2010 06:26 PM

Proof that BillyBob is telling the truth:

Haven't had an LD in over a week. Been trying the WILD method (The 90 Days WILD Project) lately, with no results.
Slept in this morning with the intention of getting extra sleep to achieve an LD.
Achieved an LD.

Simple works!

**ellwilll** · 01-28-2010 06:29 PM

thanks mann! this actually seems a lot more my style

<3

**SKA** · 01-29-2010 03:00 AM

Healthy topic. I feel much the same way about Complicated vs. Simplicity. Simplicity kicks ass every time.

**hellohihello** · 01-29-2010 03:50 AM

Sleeping in helps.. a lot.

**FluBB** · 01-29-2010 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by jessie1203

I KNOW!!!! Its amazing!!! we become robots!, we program ourselves to do things and later on we just do them automatically..

yeah thats a new angle on it that i havent thought about. it really is programming. its routines. it explains the percentage usage of our brain. we use like 10%? we dont really think.. its a hard thing to accept tho because i find a lot of comfort in having somewhat of a schedule everyday.

**Taromon777** · 02-01-2010 07:25 PM

Those are some really good tips, thankyou!

Makes the whole concept of LDing seem that little less daunting...

**RandomNumber677** · 02-01-2010 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by BillyBob

Sleep with the light on.
You will sleep lighter, which is good for getting lucids.

Haha, intentional or not?

Originally Posted by BillyBob

Sleep deprivation.
Sleep little or not at all one night, and the next night you'll have REM rebound. More REM equals more lucid dreams, especially when combined with wake up, count down.

I don't really see the point of this, you don't sleep for a night then you do the next night getting double the amount of rem, right? By doing that you would for example, get 4 lucids in that night, if you don't do that then would you not get 2 lucids the previous night and two that night without having to be tired the whole day before?

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