A healthy thought about dream sharing, dreams and our minds

**kenietz** · 07-29-2010 06:03 AM

Hi guys,
i know there are numerous threads about dream sharing but my question is different.

Now the problem as i see it. There are 2 things bothering my mind. The possibility of Shared dreaming (SD) and our minds. What i mean is the following. The usual thinking is that all that is in our dreams is made up of our personal minds in one way or another. That's ok, sounds reasonable. But then comes SD. If all is made up only from our own minds how is SD possible. So then if the SD is actually true that means that our dreams are not entirely our product. One can speculate then that we actually meet(SD with) other persons, beings, aliens and whatever there exists in the Universe/s. So one can receive info from other sources except his/her own mind in whatever form. One can not interpret the dreams so easily because first one has to find which part is his own and which not. Right?

I personally believe that SD is possible even though i don't have any confirmed one. But one can choose in what to believe or not. So if one chooses to believe that SD is not possible then one restricts his/herself to one's own mind.

I hope i made myself clear.

**Supernova** · 07-29-2010 06:21 AM

True. Basically, it's that the idea of shared dreaming implies more than just being able to share a dream with another person.

**The Cusp** · 07-29-2010 06:53 AM

Good question.

Shared dreams are always made up 100% from your own mind, of that I'm sure. What I think happens in a shared dream is that the other dreamer forces you to focus on a different area of your own mind. Being a Doctor Who freak who has many Dalek dreams, I could summon some Daleks in a shared dream. But if the person I was sharing a dream with had never seen Doctor who and had no idea what a Dalek was, they would see them as "some kind of robot thing". Or at least the closes thing the personal inventory of their mind could come up with to match.

That still doesn't address the mechanics of how or over what medium that sharing of focusing of attention takes place, but I'm working on it.

**kenietz** · 07-29-2010 07:13 AM

I see but what you explain is different i think. Because what the other person sees is just his interpretation of the SD. But the SD itself is not his own only. As ive read elsewhere and on this forum its like this in real life as well. Take 100 people to explain an event and you will get 100 descriptions. But the event itself is external. Only our perceptions differ.
I think that in SD when confirmed, people are just connected to a certain point in the mindscape and some things they see the same(similar interpretations) and some not. But all depends on the experience of the people and their own wild imaginations of course.

**The Cusp** · 07-29-2010 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by kenietz

Take 100 people to explain an event and you will get 100 descriptions. But the event itself is external. Only our perceptions differ.

Well, philosophers have been debating that forever.

I still don't think the shared dreaming landscape is a stable realm external to the dreamers. Take what I call the first rule of dreaming, "Everything requires your attention to exist", and consider how that throws a monkey wrench into that idea. It's not just perceptions that differ, it's what your perceptions allow to exist. Your perception dictates what is real and what isn't, what exists and what doesn't. That doesn't leave much room for a stable realm outside of yourself.

**Baron Samedi** · 07-29-2010 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by The Cusp

Well, philosophers have been debating that forever.

I still don't think the shared dreaming landscape is a stable realm external to the dreamers. Take what I call the first rule of dreaming, "Everything requires your attention to exist", and consider how that throws a monkey wrench into that idea. It's not just perceptions that differ, it's what your perceptions allow to exist. Your perception dictates what is real and what isn't, what exists and what doesn't. That doesn't leave much room for a stable realm outside of yourself.

This is where I disagree.

I believe DC's and many settings and other things require your attention to exist. But, for example a real person will not disappear if you ignore them, because they do not require your attention to exist.

Speaking only from experience, there are stable dreamscapes and sentient entities that exist while we are awake.

Just as I would call Daleks in a dream robot things, I would also call them the same thing if I saw them in waking life.

So, in conclusion, shared dreaming is more than a meeting of minds. It's two entities meeting somewhere out on the dream plane.

**The Cusp** · 07-29-2010 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

This is where I disagree.
for example a real person will not disappear if you ignore them, because they do not require your attention to exist..

They won't disappear if they have their attention focused on you. All that's important is focused attention. If both parties take their attention off each other, then the shared dream ends.

**DarkoMarco** · 08-08-2010 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by The Cusp

Well, philosophers have been debating that forever.

I still don't think the shared dreaming landscape is a stable realm external to the dreamers. Take what I call the first rule of dreaming, "Everything requires your attention to exist", and consider how that throws a monkey wrench into that idea. It's not just perceptions that differ, it's what your perceptions allow to exist. Your perception dictates what is real and what isn't, what exists and what doesn't. That doesn't leave much room for a stable realm outside of yourself.

I've got to say, I've read a few of your posts and I have enjoyed them. You come across very well informed, and pretty open minded. I have got to disagree with you on this one 100% though.
I had a lucid dream on my part, shared with my girl friend one time. We were on our way to a Rave and stopped at a 7-11, while there I realized I was dreaming and began to chant " I do not belileve in this false reality" for some reason this helped me sustain my lucidness.

I began playing with the land scape of the dream at this point, knocking down the walls of the 7-11, you know, destructive childish stuff really.

I then wondered where my girl freind had gone, at this point, I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that she had continued her dream without me and in order for her to continue her dream she "created" a dopplganger of me, that was her projection of me, her creation of me, a mannequin of me.

I knew I could re-enter her dream and as I did so, I animated the doppleganger she had made of me and was completely aware of what it had been saying and as such could proceed seemlessly.

To use another even less substantive example, think of monstors Inc, the kids movie.

It has been my experience (not proof just experience) that ghosts who don't pass on, they feed on the living, they use this energy in an astral world to maintain control on the enviroment there, just like the characters in monstors inc. used the fear from children to run thier city.

We come equipped with our own energy to enter the astral world.

Or, as we are fond of call it here, to Lucid Dream.

**DarkoMarco** · 08-08-2010 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

This is where I disagree.

I believe DC's and many settings and other things require your attention to exist. But, for example a real person will not disappear if you ignore them, because they do not require your attention to exist.

Speaking only from experience, there are stable dreamscapes and sentient entities that exist while we are awake.

Just as I would call Daleks in a dream robot things, I would also call them the same thing if I saw them in waking life.

So, in conclusion, shared dreaming is more than a meeting of minds. It's two entities meeting somewhere out on the dream plane.

I agree whole heartedly here. And this begs the question, are you leaving your body, ie is your soul leaving your body and entering into another plane of existance when dreaming, and to this I say yes, absolutely it does.

**kenietz** · 08-10-2010 02:51 AM

Probably most of you guys have read the book "The tree of life' by Israel Regardie but i just came across. Its a veeeery nice, well and clearly written book. Im just in the beginning of it but still there i found about the term Astral light which is linked if not equal to the Common Unconscious. Its permeating all in our lives and is the record of all things in the Universe. But is soooo vast that when we reach it during dreams some things we recognize and we can interpret properly but some we cant at all because of lack of experience or imagination. I recommend this book to anybody who has not come across it.