Thread: Parallel Universes

Originally Posted by concusion

Some of the latest theories have universes being layered sheets that float back and forth and that the big bang wasn't the point of creation, just the last collision with another universe.

Source please.

Can a Universe Create Itself Out of Nothing? | Dr. Kaku's Universe | Big Think

Scientists find first evidence that many universes exist

They make a pretty interesting argument here.. the universe coming out of nothing?

Originally Posted by Article posted above

If you do the math, you find out that the sum total of matter in the universe can cancel against the sum total of negative gravitational energy, yielding a universe with zero (or close to zero) net matter/energy. So, in some sense, universes are for free. It does not take net matter and energy to create entire universes. In this way, in the bubble bath, bubbles can collide, create baby bubbles, or simple pop into existence from nothing

I think the universe came out of oneness

Originally Posted by saltyseedog

I think the universe came out of oneness

What do you mean?

Well in the begining there was only one and with no point of reference there appears to be nothing. like there is no here to there or then and now, there is only oneness.

Very interesting, but the universe is not infinite. Infinity is only a mathematical concept.

Hmm, it is more paradoxical to think of a finite universe than it is to think of an infinite universe. How so? Well basically, as I understand it, space is basically nothing, what you are proposing with the finite universe is that there is actually a boundary where beyond the boundary even nothing can not exist which is very paradoxical.

With the infinite universe theory, it is easy to understand, there is no boundary because how are you going to put a boundary on nothing, how are you going to stop nothing from existing?

As far as those ideas of "creation" go, I think that Laura Mersini-Houghton's "wave" theory is the most promising of the current crop, borne out by certain of her predictions subsequently being proved:

YouTube - BBC Horizon 2010: 6/6 What Happened Before the Big Bang

Originally Posted by elucid

Hmm, it is more paradoxical to think of a finite universe than it is to think of an infinite universe. How so? Well basically, as I understand it, space is basically nothing, what you are proposing with the finite universe is that there is actually a boundary where beyond the boundary even nothing can not exist which is very paradoxical.

With the infinite universe theory, it is easy to understand, there is no boundary because how are you going to put a boundary on nothing, how are you going to stop nothing from existing?

Space isn't exactly nothing. It exists. Otherwise we wouldn't be here. We are incapable of imagining what "nothing" truly is (or isn't).

Also, science is not based on what is easier to understand.

"Space" is far from empty.. even a vacuum teems with energy.. and "space" can move, warp and bend, according to the latest theories. Some even believe that it is "space" that is moving matter around, not matter moving in "space".

Mersini-Houghton believes that our physical universe is finite and contained among a number of other physical universes adjacent to our own. She's made a number of mathematical predictions based on her conception of our universe as a waveform. One of these concerns "holes" in the background microwave radiation pattern in the Universe (the residue of the Big Bang). She predicted where two holes would be found, and one has subsequently been found where she said it would be. Another interesting prediction of hers is that the Hadron Collider will not discover so-called "Super Symmetry" (extra "new" particles corresponding to the ones already known about).

A thought: if LDing is a gateway to parallel universes/dimensions, of which there is an infinite number, then the chances of any two LDers accidentally "meeting" in the same place are very small.

The hypnagogic "hallucinations" are certainly something real. I have been able to prove that some of my experiences were true even of things that I thought were not true.

I have also had experiences I believe that were extra-dimensional but I haven't seen the two go together. The things I have heard seem to be parts of perfectly reasonable conversations. Given the near infinite nature of the multiverse I would think that some of these conversations would have to seem very strange to us. For instance imagine discussing something as boring as your TV. Now imagine someone from an alternate universe dropped in on your conversation mid way and imagine that their universe never invented the TV (lets face it it is a strange invention), they would think the conversation had no reality to it. You'd be talking about something that was clearly psychotic, a box in your own bedroom where you can see people singing and dancing. And thats a conversation about something simple.
I'd think that if these conversations were from another dimension they seem a lot stranger than they are.

Originally Posted by Caden

The hypnagogic "hallucinations" are certainly something real. I have been able to prove that some of my experiences were true even of things that I thought were not true.

Really?

Originally Posted by aktw4

Really?

Yes I have seen a few things that I thought were not only strange but just totally unrealistic. I saw a long fence made out of small living trees. 'Who would be crazy enough to take the time to do such a silly thing' I thought. I had not traveled at all and not seen much of the world. 2 years later while traveling in Dominican Republic I saw this.
Actually this is pretty common in the Caribbean and Central and South America, who knew, not me.

Then a few years later I saw the strangest thing at the time a blackboard that was white! I thought of how silly this vision was, 'how could you use white chalk on a whiteboard?' Again about 2 years later I saw my first whiteboard and they used markers that erased.


These visions are always stationary and fixed. I can't change the perspective or move around it, kind of frustrating that way. I see things and want to get a wider view or look around but can't. I'm not sure if this is how everyone sees things in this weird state.

The most likely way of existence is this:

The idea of space and time are of only human perception, time is not a real thing and space is not a real thing. It is only that humans see it as time went by when it really didn't. There is no limit to space, it is literally infinite, most people cannot get around that idea because it is their perception that there has to be an end somewhere. Time travel will never be possible because existence does not put a time stamp on anything, things just go about their business and move around. It the universe doesn't look at it as "The snail was here a moment ago, but he is there now", it just doesn't work that way.

Now against what I just posted, it is as if I travelled back in time and know what will happen. I know everyone will post things like: "You're an idiot", "What's wrong with you?", "That's wrong, because blah blah blah". Please don't or I will have to simply put you all to shame for arguing against a theory, and that is one of the stupidest things anyone can do.

it is already demonstrated to be possible to travel into the future if you approach the speed of light time passes differently, and this has been measured on Earth. Also quantum entanglement gives possibilities into time travel into the past, or possibly sending messages into the past.

New Type Of Entanglement Allows 'Teleportation in Time,' Say Physicists - Technology Review

Originally Posted by MIIISTERNEUGIT

The most likely way of existence is this:

The idea of space and time are of only human perception, time is not a real thing and space is not a real thing. It is only that humans see it as time went by when it really didn't. There is no limit to space, it is literally infinite, most people cannot get around that idea because it is their perception that there has to be an end somewhere. Time travel will never be possible because existence does not put a time stamp on anything, things just go about their business and move around. It the universe doesn't look at it as "The snail was here a moment ago, but he is there now", it just doesn't work that way.

Now against what I just posted, it is as if I travelled back in time and know what will happen. I know everyone will post things like: "You're an idiot", "What's wrong with you?", "That's wrong, because blah blah blah". Please don't or I will have to simply put you all to shame for arguing against a theory, and that is one of the stupidest things anyone can do.

I agree with you in the sense that our perception of time is an illusion, but not time itself.

I look at it like this: A piece of paper is time and some characters drawn on it can only perceive the two dimensions of the paper (both the paper and characters are 2D, ignoring the thickness of the paper and lead/pen ink for sake of the example). Now, I am a 3D entity. If I put my finger next to one of the characters walking along the piece of paper he/she sees my finger (at least a 2D cross-section of it). Seeing the character is walking, I lift my finger from the paper and place it a few inches in front of the character. To the character, I've just jumped through space and time to arrive at that spot, but for me it was as easy as using depth. It seems to me that, while we don't know how to do it and may never will, it's just as easy as moving in the "time" direction. This direction is just something we can't perceive on that level or manipulate, much like the paper characters.

I believe there must be, for lack of a better word, 4D entities that can move freely through time and that some of the "weird creatures" described on these forums could very well be said entities. It's also notable that the characters on the paper can only see 2D cross sections of 3D entities like myself. Therefore it's reasonable to believe that even when people see certain apparitions they may just be 3D cross sections of a much larger and more complex 4D creature.

Originally Posted by Astralglide

I agree with you in the sense that our perception of time is an illusion, but not time itself.

I look at it like this: A piece of paper is time and some characters drawn on it can only perceive the two dimensions of the paper (both the paper and characters are 2D, ignoring the thickness of the paper and lead/pen ink for sake of the example). Now, I am a 3D entity. If I put my finger next to one of the characters walking along the piece of paper he/she sees my finger (at least a 2D cross-section of it). Seeing the character is walking, I lift my finger from the paper and place it a few inches in front of the character. To the character, I've just jumped through space and time to arrive at that spot, but for me it was as easy as using depth. It seems to me that, while we don't know how to do it and may never will, it's just as easy as moving in the "time" direction. This direction is just something we can't perceive on that level or manipulate, much like the paper characters.

I believe there must be, for lack of a better word, 4D entities that can move freely through time and that some of the "weird creatures" described on these forums could very well be said entities. It's also notable that the characters on the paper can only see 2D cross sections of 3D entities like myself. Therefore it's reasonable to believe that even when people see certain apparitions they may just be 3D cross sections of a much larger and more complex 4D creature.

Thanks for agreeing...

Originally Posted by concusion

it is already demonstrated to be possible to travel into the future if you approach the speed of light time passes differently, and this has been measured on Earth. Also quantum entanglement gives possibilities into time travel into the past, or possibly sending messages into the past.

New Type Of Entanglement Allows 'Teleportation in Time,' Say Physicists - Technology Review

Well, for the future part, the extreme speed could slow down the atoms in the object moving at light speed, making our perception in time slow down, making it seem we are moving forward in time.

And you can't go back in time, everything has already happened and you can't change that.

Originally Posted by Astralglide

I agree with you in the sense that our perception of time is an illusion, but not time itself.


I believe there must be, for lack of a better word, 4D entities that can move freely through time and that some of the "weird creatures" described on these forums could very well be said entities. It's also notable that the characters on the paper can only see 2D cross sections of 3D entities like myself. Therefore it's reasonable to believe that even when people see certain apparitions they may just be 3D cross sections of a much larger and more complex 4D creature.

I am thinking maybe we are 4D creatures anchored to a 3D body. When we have OOBEs, or simply go out of sync, we tend to see the larger universe as it really is and because we have little conscious experience with the true nature of the 4D universe we tend to try and deny it by calling it hallucinations or imaginings of our subconscious mind. We get hints about the reality of it all but they are badly distorted by or 3D reference. We need to trust ourselves and our experiences more, just as we do every day in our waking life.

Originally Posted by Caden

I am thinking maybe we are 4D creatures anchored to a 3D body. When we have OOBEs, or simply go out of sync, we tend to see the larger universe as it really is and because we have little conscious experience with the true nature of the 4D universe we tend to try and deny it by calling it hallucinations or imaginings of our subconscious mind. We get hints about the reality of it all but they are badly distorted by or 3D reference. We need to trust ourselves and our experiences more, just as we do every day in our waking life.

Yea, It really angers me that everyone thinks "They are just dreams" "You imagined it" "You're insane, please stop rambling on", I get these all the time. What people don't realize is that we have absolutely no clue about what dreams are for, so we just assume that things like dreams and "hallucinations" are just in our minds. They might not be, once again we don't know, and will probably never at all.

Originally Posted by Caden

I am thinking maybe we are 4D creatures anchored to a 3D body. When we have OOBEs, or simply go out of sync, we tend to see the larger universe as it really is and because we have little conscious experience with the true nature of the 4D universe we tend to try and deny it by calling it hallucinations or imaginings of our subconscious mind. We get hints about the reality of it all but they are badly distorted by or 3D reference. We need to trust ourselves and our experiences more, just as we do every day in our waking life.

Ooh ok I like where that idea is. In fact, using my example you going from a baby to an old man IS moving in the "time direction" and we, at our current age, are a 3D cross-section of ourself at all possible times. I literally never realized that fact in the context of the example. Thank you!

In a more general sense there are definitely more to humans and, as MIIISTERNEUGIT said, to dreams than we may ever know in our lifetime. I also hate when people dismiss dream talk or simply seem uninterested.

Who ISN'T interested in a world where you call the shots at the most fundamental level?!

Originally Posted by Astralglide

Ooh ok I like where that idea is. In fact, using my example you going from a baby to an old man IS moving in the "time direction" and we, at our current age, are a 3D cross-section of ourself at all possible times. I literally never realized that fact in the context of the example. Thank you!

In a more general sense there are definitely more to humans and, as MIIISTERNEUGIT said, to dreams than we may ever know in our lifetime. I also hate when people dismiss dream talk or simply seem uninterested.

Who ISN'T interested in a world where you call the shots at the most fundamental level?!

You're welcome!

I think peoples disinterest is part lack of knowledege (did any of us know how mind blowingly cool LDing was before we did it?) and a challange to an established beife system.

As Morpheus said to Neo "You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it."

The difference between free
and not free.

Ah Duracell, trusted everywhere, even in the Matrix.