Thread: WILD vs OBEs and astral projection

WILD leads you to a dream, OBE supposedly leads you out of your body in the same plane as waking life, AP leads you to another plane altogether that is not a dream.

This will vary depending on your beliefs, if you don't believe in OBE/AP WILD = LD and OBE/AP = Non-lucid
If you believe dreams are some sort of astral travel, then WILD/AP is the same and OBE is projecting on this world.

Originally Posted by Hukif

WILD leads you to a dream...

I felt that needed to be repeated.

WILD, Qwer, is simply a technique for inducing LD's, just as DILD, MILD, and all the other ILD's currently out there are. A WILD is not an end in itself, and if you find that it is -- or believe that it is -- you're going to miss out on the real experience of lucid dreaming (or OBE's, or AP, etc).

Hukif: you're an experienced LD'er and you've been posting to this site for quite some time; can you tell me why WILD is so important here (and on other forums, for that matter)? DILD is easier, DEILD (really just an abbreviated WILD) is more handy, and MILD has been all but forgotten, but all those are still correctly considered techniques and are consistently set aside for WILD, which seems to have been elevated into a state of consciousness all to itself. If you've got any insight into where this collective attitude came from, I'd appreciate it if you would share!

Well, I think its to the fact that with DILD you become lucid once in a dream, and people think this will make the lucid shorter. They also want to be lucid from the start of the dream and think DILD is a "luck" induction thechnique so they don't pursue it. Pretty much, WILD is the one that gets all the hype because of the lucidity from the start.

I don't get it though, WILD is generally harder at the start, once you sort it out it becoems somewhat easier as to do 1/week, getting to 1+/day is really hard though. DILD is easier at the start but won't give you many/long lucids, after getting the hang of it luck no longer plays a role and the dream becomes longer, then comes the really hard part where you become lucid from the start of the dream or near the start. So to me, they both give the same results, with more or less the same level of difficulty, which is why people should look at their sleep patterns before choosing if they want MILD, DEILD, DILD, WILD or any of the other techniques.

Well said, Hukif; thank you. So it's the "shortcut" promise presented on paper by WILD that generates all the interest? Makes sense, in a Western-On/Off-switch-expectation-based sort of way. The veneration of this -- OR ANY -- technique still makes little sense to me. Like you said, LD induction technique comes down more to sleep patterns than anything else, assuming that you have prepared your mind to lucid dream in the first place.

I believe that if a person is mentally ready to lucid dream, the technique becomes an afterthought. Sadly, mental prep seems to have taken a back seat to exciting "techniques" like WILD. Too bad.

p.s. and to put an exclamation point on all this, some of my longest, most vivid, and downright exciting LD's have come from DILD's. And WILD's. And DEILD's. And no "technique" at all. In other words technique does not matter -- mindset is everything.