Thread: Intrusion in dreams

Ok I dont know what things you have tried but since noones said anything here I will try to help . I do believe you and the only thing I can think of sounds weird but put a piece of cayanee pepper into a ziplock baggy under your pillow its a general repel curse kinda thing witch helps on astral planes too the bag is to keep it out of your eyes if you toss and turn double bag it so really its the only thing I have to sugest sorry I cant spell for crap . I am so sorry to hear this is happening to you .As a shared dreamer I am mortified that anyone can do this then again I dont enter peoples dreams they enter mine . But I allow them to and they cant control my dreams . I have found I wake up when the person wakes up that was in there (thats usually the sign that someone was really there)But I do think before going to bed making sure to say you control your dreams might help on the subconcious level , You have the right to be pissed and I hope you can get rid of this unwanted person or spirit .I really haven ever heard of someone being able to do this kind of evil crap in a shared dream ,and it makes me sad because shared dreaming can be a beautiful experience and its sad some jerk screwed that up for you good luck to you and I hope you win your battles

Oh i definitely believe you about the curse crap. i know who it is intruding my dreams and telepathic communication! Read my DJ "Mysteries uncovered". Sounds odd but it really happened! I can control my dreams very well, and can defend myself if needed. But when someone makes my recurring lost love disappear in odd times and ending my dreams? That is and can happen! I know people don't think this can happen, but from someone like me who have lots of abilities and can manage it really is true and can happen.
People abuse shared dreaming at this kind of level. Thanks though for the advice.

Originally Posted by Pixiedreamer

Ok I dont know what things you have tried but since noones said anything here I will try to help . I do believe you and the only thing I can think of sounds weird but put a piece of cayanee pepper into a ziplock baggy under your pillow its a general repel curse kinda thing witch helps on astral planes too the bag is to keep it out of your eyes if you toss and turn double bag it so really its the only thing I have to sugest sorry I cant spell for crap . I am so sorry to hear this is happening to you .As a shared dreamer I am mortified that anyone can do this then again I dont enter peoples dreams they enter mine . But I allow them to and they cant control my dreams . I have found I wake up when the person wakes up that was in there (thats usually the sign that someone was really there)But I do think before going to bed making sure to say you control your dreams might help on the subconcious level , You have the right to be pissed and I hope you can get rid of this unwanted person or spirit .I really haven ever heard of someone being able to do this kind of evil crap in a shared dream ,and it makes me sad because shared dreaming can be a beautiful experience and its sad some jerk screwed that up for you good luck to you and I hope you win your battles

if you know it might be a curse use the pepper .I read your journal and just wow evil chick needs to pay that is so not cool . and when you know who it is you can put your energy on that person with the pepper . I used to enter other peoples dreams a long time ago. But couldnt after a tramatic experience kinda like yours actually and the pepper is what finally helped me .I am now currently trying to regain my powers but its baby steps because I let it slide for so long (about 15 years). good luck to you again

Yep, and it was her at that dumb and dumber couple DJ i wrote days before that happened. Realizing she has healing powers in dreams, i did kicked her ass but she can heal and come back, for me it's actually nothing, because i did fight against many hard battles that took forever to defeat them in dreams, better yet never could defeat me.
This pepper thing, is it in powder or the real pepper?

Originally Posted by Pixiedreamer

if you know it might be a curse use the pepper .I read your journal and just wow evil chick needs to pay that is so not cool . and when you know who it is you can put your energy on that person with the pepper . I used to enter other peoples dreams a long time ago. But couldnt after a tramatic experience kinda like yours actually and the pepper is what finally helped me .I am now currently trying to regain my powers but its baby steps because I let it slide for so long (about 15 years). good luck to you again

I actually posted a comment at "shared dreams etiquette part 2" in this beyond dreams thread and it does exactly tell you about nightwalkers/stalkers in dreams, they attack you and do whatever in dreams.

I havent read into shared dreams very much, and Im not a critic of anything I dont understand, but it is possible that this person annoying you is just your subconscious and because you expect them to do these things, it happens. Try going to sleep tonight not expecting this to happen, and truly believe that just for tonight. Then if after that, she still bothers you, you can know without a doubt that it isnt just your mind playing tricks on you

Good luck

Oh i truly didn't expect her to attack me in a dream few days ago. And didn't expect such a interruption thru telepathy communication with someone else atm. So far last night i got no dreams what so ever and don't even think of anything like someone annoying me. But when it comes down to dreams i'm always on my toes.

Originally Posted by kurlie

I havent read into shared dreams very much, and Im not a critic of anything I dont understand, but it is possible that this person annoying you is just your subconscious and because you expect them to do these things, it happens. Try going to sleep tonight not expecting this to happen, and truly believe that just for tonight. Then if after that, she still bothers you, you can know without a doubt that it isnt just your mind playing tricks on you

Good luck

I used a died whole pepper but as I said double bag it if you toss and turn it can burn your skin and cause a rash or get in your eyes ..And when it happened to me it was an out of body . kinda I couldnt move and i had just laid down It takes me hours to fall asleep I jhope this helps and do be careful with peppers under the pillow really they can hurt like crazy

Another possible strategy....If you make your own mentality less video-game-ninja-defensive-aggressive, you generally won't attract those kinds of people. If they try to get into your dreams, they'll go through you without affecting you, or will recoil back on themselves without you really noticing, because their minds will be on a different frequency, metaphorically speaking.

This is something I've grappled with a lot, I try to protect myself with a bear-like stance, but then many of my hassles tie into that. I've relaxed that in the past several years, and it seems I'm psychically stronger and more secure than I was when I was all combative.

You might also consider the possibility that you're mistaking another 'person' with a suppressed aspect of your higher self. There's a natural ebb and flow between you and it, and if you try to shut out parts of your greater spirit and have exclusive control of your mind, it will fuck with you like that.

My mentality is usually normal before i sleep, during a dream state etc, i don't make my aggressiveness known much in dreams, ONLY when i am attacked it will be known. I am very shrewd in dreams and reality. If it was my higher self, this female i fought in my dream days ago (in DJ) didn't faze me one bit and i actually had fun with her and her hitman XD so basically it wasn't my higher self.

Originally Posted by shadowofwind

Another possible strategy....If you make your own mentality less video-game-ninja-defensive-aggressive, you generally won't attract those kinds of people. If they try to get into your dreams, they'll go through you without affecting you, or will recoil back on themselves without you really noticing, because their minds will be on a different frequency, metaphorically speaking.

This is something I've grappled with a lot, I try to protect myself with a bear-like stance, but then many of my hassles tie into that. I've relaxed that in the past several years, and it seems I'm psychically stronger and more secure than I was when I was all combative.

Originally Posted by hathor28

My mentality is usually normal before i sleep, during a dream state etc, i don't make my aggressiveness known much in dreams, ONLY when i am attacked it will be known. I am very shrewd in dreams and reality. If it was my higher self, this female i fought in my dream days ago (in DJ) didn't faze me one bit and i actually had fun with her and her hitman XD so basically it wasn't my higher self.

Um... ?

What makes you think your higher self is trying to 'faze you'? It's all about learning, and learning can be fun. Maybe you should get diplomatic and try to resolve this situation peacefully?

I'm sure i know how my higher self is. Obviously more powerful.

Originally Posted by telethiese

Um... ?

What makes you think your higher self is trying to 'faze you'? It's all about learning, and learning can be fun. Maybe you should get diplomatic and try to resolve this situation peacefully?

Originally Posted by hathor28

I'm sure i know how my higher self is. Obviously more powerful.

You're fine to do as you like, you're entitled to your experience and views, but I think you're making a mistake that many people in the world do in regards to 'spiritual matters'. People expect fireworks when it comes to the highest, but most of it's work is so subtle they completely miss the point. They think that if they're really in the wrong that the highest will correct them (abrahamic god, hell fire, vengeful zeus etc) but really, that's our responsibility... It writes the scenarios, and we can go along the rails or jump off the beaten path and examine the situation from all angles. If we don't, we may miss the diamond in the bushes.

Regardless,

I did no mistake, someone did. If you thouroghly read my DJs, you would know.

just because you dont believe in her problem is what she says,,, that doesnt make it not real. She asked for help not to be told she is wrong and not to start a debate . I read her dj and did the best I could to help with my own knowledge I understand yall are trying to help but maybe reading her dj before you say something really might help

Yes, that's what i am saying, and really i don't have much DJ's to read about now that my dreams are all messed up ever since that last odd occurrence in both dream and non-dream state. I usually remember dreams, dream something long enough, and be lucid. Now, it's been very bad, if i do dream it will be a quick and short dream and once it fades away, i continue sleeping without dreams, which ends up in bad memory because i didn't wake up after the dream, i just continued being in a sleep state and that's when memory starts cleaning up from the last dream i had. Basically like clearing your caches from your computer.

Originally Posted by Pixiedreamer

just because you dont believe in her problem is what she says,,, that doesnt make it not real. She asked for help not to be told she is wrong and not to start a debate . I read her dj and did the best I could to help with my own knowledge I understand yall are trying to help but maybe reading her dj before you say something really might help

Originally Posted by Pixiedreamer

just because you dont believe in her problem is what she says,,, that doesnt make it not real. She asked for help not to be told she is wrong and not to start a debate . I read her dj and did the best I could to help with my own knowledge I understand yall are trying to help but maybe reading her dj before you say something really might help

I did read her dream journal. What I'm saying (which she seemed to have misinterpreted) is that the hate you feel for this girl is the cause and the resolution to this entire situation. The hate is the channel that the girl moves through and the hate is the reason her mind allows the connection to be made - so that she can react to it, exacerbating the issue further. This is how it works in the mind-field, like attracts like. From my perspective this is an obvious emotional blockage caused by the mutual hatred of both of the girls. That's why I said she should resolve this situation peacefully.

The manifestations that psychic happenings take are still dependent on the personal self and are further censored, or even manipulated by the impersonal self. That doesn't mean they're not happening or are somehow 'less real', it means that they can be resolved through tying up loose ends and letting go. Acknowledging something as an emanation of your higher aspects accomplishes two thing; it undermines any power it may have over you, and seals the connection between the individual selves. Even if there is still leakage, your detachment will affect her mind moreso because you are acting from a position 'farther away' from the event horizon and 'closer to' the source.

Do you meditate, hathor? Unresolved feelings manifest themselves in reality, sooner or later. Particularly powerful feelings can become like 'demons'. When you cultivate psychic abilities, you must also cultivate detachment from psychic abilities, because there are many hidden trap-doors inside of our minds.. from which others can manipulate us.

In order to seal them up, first you need a sort of net, a sort of dreamcatcher-like term which has power, like god, buddha-nature, higher self, whatever. Something that is indeed more powerful, like you said. Then you weave it through all your experience and see it everywhere so that you can cultivate the impersonal perspective. Associate it with light, mercy, loving-kindness, whatever qualities you'd like. See through it's eyes.

Develop an intimate relationship with this dreamcatcher, allow it to work through you. I like to call it cultivating the godhead, because though it may seem that you are relying on an outside source, in reality you are developing your own godhood. This is a safety mechanism for psychic openness.

Thanks for such advice, but the main problem isn't me, it's mostly her side (I'm not pointing fingers) she started this whole thing 14yrs ago. Now she's starting again and cutting off communications and dreams. How can i "resolve" this? when last we seen each other was 14yrs ago, and she is the main reason why things are getting interrupted. Another reason is also she really don't want me communicating and sharing dreams with this guy we both knew in class 14yrs ago. It is some sort of war between us and like myself i don't give in to bullies and home wreckers. Yet this will still go on, but i do like dream catchers.

Originally Posted by telethiese

I did read her dream journal. What I'm saying (which she seemed to have misinterpreted) is that the hate you feel for this girl is the cause and the resolution to this entire situation. The hate is the channel that the girl moves through and the hate is the reason her mind allows the connection to be made - so that she can react to it, exacerbating the issue further. This is how it works in the mind-field, like attracts like. From my perspective this is an obvious emotional blockage caused by the mutual hatred of both of the girls. That's why I said she should resolve this situation peacefully.

The manifestations that psychic happenings take are still dependent on the personal self and are further censored, or even manipulated by the impersonal self. That doesn't mean they're not happening or are somehow 'less real', it means that they can be resolved through tying up loose ends and letting go. Acknowledging something as an emanation of your higher aspects accomplishes two thing; it undermines any power it may have over you, and seals the connection between the individual selves. Even if there is still leakage, your detachment will affect her mind moreso because you are acting from a position 'farther away' from the event horizon and 'closer to' the source.

Do you meditate, hathor? Unresolved feelings manifest themselves in reality, sooner or later. Particularly powerful feelings can become like 'demons'. When you cultivate psychic abilities, you must also cultivate detachment from psychic abilities, because there are many hidden trap-doors inside of our minds.. from which others can manipulate us.

In order to seal them up, first you need a sort of net, a sort of dreamcatcher-like term which has power, like god, buddha-nature, higher self, whatever. Something that is indeed more powerful, like you said. Then you weave it through all your experience and see it everywhere so that you can cultivate the impersonal perspective. Associate it with light, mercy, loving-kindness, whatever qualities you'd like. See through it's eyes.

Develop an intimate relationship with this dreamcatcher, allow it to work through you. I like to call it cultivating the godhead, because though it may seem that you are relying on an outside source, in reality you are developing your own godhood. This is a safety mechanism for psychic openness.

Assuming you're at least as powerful as she is psychically, or even in the same ballpark, it still seems to me that her interference with your dreams must be driven mostly by the way you are thinking about her. You should have incomparably more control over your own mind than another person does. If she is 'at fault' that doesn't change this, and standing up for yourself and what's right doesn't change this.

Your type of 'shrewd', however well it may work on other situations, isn't achieving what you want in this situation. We were trying to offer a different kind that we know will work, notwithstanding how poorly we may have explained it or connected it to your particular circumstances.

Its not just about tactics and appearances, how you act, what you intend to express, and what you 'show' to another mind that affects these things. Fates, so to speak, eventually find a way to push your weaknesses to the surface and screw you with them, and frequently use other people to that ends. Even if you win you lose - you have to change or it will go on forever. Certainly you know more about your situation than anybody else does, so only you can put it together. But I'm pretty sure this is a piece.

Originally Posted by hathor28

I'm sure i know how my higher self is. Obviously more powerful.

Higher self is guidance.Is not any form of power of ability that the self is not include.

Originally Posted by hathor28

I did no mistake, someone did. If you thouroghly read my DJs, you would know.

Persons and situations in dreams are projections that the self is making in any case.
even if a certain person exists in reality,in your sleep is a form of correspondence to the emotions and feelings you're carrying about that person not that person itself.

So when you're arguing with that person YOU'RE ARGUING WITH AN ASPECT OF YOUR SELF.

Oh except the hypnotizer two kinds of people can tap in non-concious realms.

The first is a psychiatrist with a stroboscopic light again a man that performs hypnosis.
A man who can do this with his mind is going to be definitely a very very talented person.
And if he can manage to enter non-concious realms he can block any memory from it too.
So you would have no idea.
And don't believe you can defend from this.
And he's not taping to anybody's dream.he can be able to give orders to the non-concious.

Higher self is not something recognizable.is an internal function within the self.
You're not communicating like that with the higher self,same way you're not communicating with your liver.

People who are doing hypnosis are very experienced.Or else you can just die through a hypnosis state.
And that through a lot of preparation.
And it can be no intrusion.
The man who is responsible for the hypnosis just repeats dreams (by making the person experiencing them again) and patterns in order to make an interpretation and reach to a conclusion.
Nobody is making any invasion on your dreams.this is not possible.

I think what people are trying to tell you here is to not function so self-centered about what you see in your dreams,and try to see that there is a pattern behind a dream
and an aspect of your self which is bringing you in that state.

Apart from the fact that higher self remains in atrophy to the vast majority of people and even if he's functioning, he's Corresponding to the reality and in very rare occasions in a dream.And not a dream in which you know you're sleeping.A dream which most likely see without even sleeping.

Well, i remembered a dream i had of her like 4 or 5 yrs ago, (i wasn't even thinking of her), she actually pissed me off so much in my dream (not physical) by verbally saying stupid things. Like really how DO i stop this when i don't even think of that sorry excuse of a person??? I was pissed off the whole day.
and yes only i know about the situation. And all i can say is what can i do? actually nothing, and fight back.

Originally Posted by shadowofwind

Assuming you're at least as powerful as she is psychically, or even in the same ballpark, it still seems to me that her interference with your dreams must be driven mostly by the way you are thinking about her. You should have incomparably more control over your own mind than another person does. If she is 'at fault' that doesn't change this, and standing up for yourself and what's right doesn't change this.

Your type of 'shrewd', however well it may work on other situations, isn't achieving what you want in this situation. We were trying to offer a different kind that we know will work, notwithstanding how poorly we may have explained it or connected it to your particular circumstances.

Its not just about tactics and appearances, how you act, what you intend to express, and what you 'show' to another mind that affects these things. Fates, so to speak, eventually find a way to push your weaknesses to the surface and screw you with them, and frequently use other people to that ends. Even if you win you lose - you have to change or it will go on forever. Certainly you know more about your situation than anybody else does, so only you can put it together. But I'm pretty sure this is a piece.

Then if higher self is a guide, why did shadowofwind tell me this female might be my guide?? like really read up ^there more before you quote me and correct me. Btw i know my guide, i have seen them once, and usually they are helpful by advice. I don't think guides attack you and intrude dreams.

Originally Posted by tsiouz

Higher self is guidance.Is not any form of power of ability that the self is not include.



Persons and situations in dreams are projections that the self is making in any case.
even if a certain person exists in reality,in your sleep is a form of correspondence to the emotions and feelings you're carrying about that person not that person itself.

So when you're arguing with that person YOU'RE ARGUING WITH AN ASPECT OF YOUR SELF.

Oh except the hypnotizer two kinds of people can tap in non-concious realms.

The first is a psychiatrist with a stroboscopic light again a man that performs hypnosis.
A man who can do this with his mind is going to be definitely a very very talented person.
And if he can manage to enter non-concious realms he can block any memory from it too.
So you would have no idea.
And don't believe you can defend from this.
And he's not taping to anybody's dream.he can be able to give orders to the non-concious.

Higher self is not something recognizable.is an internal function within the self.
You're not communicating like that with the higher self,same way you're not communicating with your liver.

People who are doing hypnosis are very experienced.Or else you can just die through a hypnosis state.
And that through a lot of preparation.
And it can be no intrusion.
The man who is responsible for the hypnosis just repeats dreams (by making the person experiencing them again) and patterns in order to make an interpretation and reach to a conclusion.
Nobody is making any invasion on your dreams.this is not possible.

I think what people are trying to tell you here is to not function so self-centered about what you see in your dreams,and try to see that there is a pattern behind a dream
and an aspect of your self which is bringing you in that state.

Apart from the fact that higher self remains in atrophy to the vast majority of people and even if he's functioning, he's Corresponding to the reality and in very rare occasions in a dream.And not a dream in which you know you're sleeping.A dream which most likely see without even sleeping.

For tsiou to read.
Btw i don't shut out my greater spirit. If anyone thinks i am bad in my dreams, that's actually wrong. I am a guide myself and help others.

Originally Posted by shadowofwind

You might also consider the possibility that you're mistaking another 'person' with a suppressed aspect of your higher self. There's a natural ebb and flow between you and it, and if you try to shut out parts of your greater spirit and have exclusive control of your mind, it will fuck with you like that.