Thread: Shared Dreaming Counter-Argument

Well now, wouldn't disbelief in aliens be foolish just based off our current understanding?

That argument is not sound. Certainly some things are beyond our ability to prove or disprove, but that is because these things are not supposed to be physical. I actually very curious lately as to what drives the atheist or pure science mind set. It actually ends up being a extreme act of faith to feel like nothing exists that is not of the physical world. Some personality issue must be going on there, but I am not sure what.

No dimensional door needs to open in the brain. Dimensions exist on top of each other in the same space. That means no barrier exist between them. How can a barrier be between two things that occupy the same space?

Originally Posted by sivason

Well now, wouldn't disbelief in aliens be foolish just based off our current understanding?

Wait a minute, how? Could you elaborate on this please? Why would the very probable existence of aliens and the belief that they very probably exist be viewed by anyone (other than religious people) as foolish? To me this is not a very good argument, because given the great length of time that the universe has already existed and its vast reach, what exactly makes the idea that aliens might exist seem foolish? I get that you are trying to say that there isn't solid evidence proving they are real (even though there kind of is, although that is subject to another debate), but our current knowledge and understanding of the universe suggests that they would, in fact, exist, especially given the fact that we do. We have already found evidence of microorganisms living on different planets and celestial bodies other than our own, and we have found plenty of water on said bodies as well, even if it is frozen. Trying to use this to prove that disproving shared dreaming doesn't make sense... doesn't make sense. Now, using that argument to prove that disproving dreaming itself exists makes sense, because there isn't any "direct" way to prove dreaming actually occurs other than our subjective experiences, claims, and then brain scans and whatnot. Even then, that doesn't work well since there is a way of measuring "dreaming", so long as the subject can confirm they were dreaming during the time period in which the scans suggest dreaming is actually occurring. Shared dreaming on the other hand takes it a step further than that, and that is where your alien argument falls apart. For your alien argument to make more sense, you would have to claim that not only do aliens exist, but we make regular contact with them, only those who do are not allowed to tell anybody or have their memories wiped clean after contact. Then, you would be making a case, because nobody could prove you otherwise. Do you see what I'm saying?