If I'm Lucid right now what does that make you?

[Wisher]

All around us may be the dream of this person called God, or it could be your storied journey to lucidity. That said this world could be my dream. And I thought to myself, if that were so and I become lucid what would you be? If this is your dream what am I? Edit: My ideas in this: -It might be that two people can be lucid at the same time. But then whose dream is it? Off which mind and where is the dreamscape decided? -All is one individual's thought and he may create/direct the lucid actions of the other, but then why do I feel so real? And as if I too can become lucid apart from your identity?

[dolphin]

If you became lucid in your day-dream I would still be lucid in reality. I am lucid in reality and you are pre-lucid in your day-dream.

[Wisher]

If our reality here is my day dream you can be lucid? So every day dream I have is like this a world just as real as my dream here? This would mean every small thing I imagine even briefly is a universe. If it is my dream I wonder if it could go on without me there. It would mean there is something entirely unrelated to me sustaining that dream world I daydreamed for only an instant. If the daydream continues after I left that means it also could have existed before I got there. Does this mean I am teleporting to new universes each night when I dream? Each instance I day dream? The other option is nothing exists out of one persons mind. As real as I feel and as free as I assume I am I am simply a guidance of your lucid thoughts or God's. In this option the Director Mind is omnipotent whether that be me your or the other

[insideout]

I've thought of this before when reading about dream yoga. In a dream, everything and everyone is a part of you. If waking life is also a dream, then you and I and everyone are all part of that dream. Who or what is having that dream, I'm not sure. Could be the dream of our shared consciousness.... or something like that, if you believe in that sort of thing. I've met people in my lucid dreams who also seemed lucid, aware that they are in my dream. So, if I were lucid in waking life, I would be like that self-aware dream character I met. But again, I don't know the answer to who or what is dreaming us. Maybe the analogy falls apart there, and waking reality isn't exactly like a dream, but shares dream qualities. This seems to be the case, considering waking life seems more stable and consistent than dream life. It's like it's a denser, more rigid, less flexible reality than dream reality. Maybe the "higher" reality dreaming this reality is more solid still. Or maybe it goes the other direction, and waking life is the dream our dreaming selves are having.... I feel like I've rambled and not really gotten anywhere.

[Wisher]

Insideout, the assumption there is that waking life is more stable than dream life, that assumption keeps us nonlucid in a large portion of dreams like these

[Therome]

A thought that I usually think is that I certain that I am conscious, and that is it. One may tell me that they are conscious and lucid, I can check a person's brain activity, do a bunch of science and determine that they show signs of consciousness, but there is absolutely no way for myself to know that another person experiences consciousness the same way that I do. Now, I'm no crazy person, but it's just something to think about, as in you could be the only real conscious thing and everything else is just a projection. I don't know really, just sharing some shower thoughts

[insideout]

Insideout, the assumption there is that waking life is more stable than dream life, that assumption keeps us nonlucid in a large portion of dreams like these I almost included in my ramblings a speculation that the stability of waking life could be an illusion. But, if it is an illusion, it's a very convincing one and I don't know how it could be demonstrated to be otherwise.

[Wisher]

@insideout, Actually, an ancient thread on a similar idea puts it very well. He said for him he uses semi-crazy logic and semi-normal ideas to expand his sense of dream control http://www.dreamviews.com/dream-cont...-obstacle.html

[Sivason]

Most of it can be explained using the movie The Matrix as a template for discussion. You have a central dream that is experienced by multiple dreamers. It appears to comply with firm solid physical laws. Not everyone in the dream is a dreamer, some are just DCs while others have an existence outside of the construct. A central intelligence is responsible for the nature of the construct, but the external dreamers can interact with in the construct. The nature of this construct is entirely malleable, but only when the central intelligence decides to change the program, or an extremely powerful dreamer such as Neo (to keep with the theme) exerts energy. However, even that most powerful dreamer can only make small changes, due to how tiny his energy level is compared to the central intelligence forming and controlling the construct. Let me know if that makes sense and ask questions before I go on.

[Wisher]

sivason, i follow, and i enjoy the matrix very much. It looks like all entities are allocated a certain degree of intelligence, the greatest of those on the spectrum having the grandest control. What surprises me is the idea that every place I dream or daydream about is a true location somewhere with actual entities residing therein. It may have been sustained before I imagined it and even continue long after I forget about the dream or daydream. In that line of thought it appears we are always hopping between uhh 'central intelligence nodes' (CINs) i guess we can call it, in an infinite sea of CINs. Where each CIN is its own self sustaining universe. What decides the characteristics of a CIN? For those who believe in shared dreaming it could possibly be the acummulated energy of the beliefs of all those who pass through, or not. How do we travel between CINs? Its possible that aligning with the 'vibration' of the CIN is what brings us there But i guess the most important question is how does an entity become the strongest in a dreamscape? (overriding a CIN)

[shadowofwind]

I think that the only way to have a dream that includes another person is to shift your identity to a standpoint that includes both of you. We do this a tiny bit in dream and in waking life imagination, and so we know shadowy caricatures of each other. To include the other person in your mind rightly and fully, you'd need to give up everything personal that was inappropriate for that kind of power over them, and they'd have to consent. I doubt this is possible currently. To maybe state the obvious, when we see or dream of another person, the image is of the surface of them only. We're not 'in' the same dream or reality except to the limited extent that self-knowledge is included also.

[Wisher]

To play devil's advocate, and out of true curiosity, why do you believe we only know shadowy caricatures? It might also be that every spirit is infinite, capable of multiple copies inhabiting various dreamscapes at once. This would mean that when a person inhabits your dream, daydream, imagination, or real life that that is really them fully there whether they remember the experience or not. This view reveals mind-boggling (funny word) implications for our sense of identity that may not align with classic 3-Dimensional world views.