Thread: Impossible for anyone to do within a dream.

This may be another semantics exercise, but you might be looking too deeply into the definitional requirements of omniscience and omnipotence. What if you looked at them in the context of the dream, rather than the concept of the real-life definition of the two words?

Wisher, this is also directed at you: While I was here walking around my office, I started thinking like that. Because if I take a step back from that perspective, I can much more easily grasp the concept of objects (or anything else for that matter) being an example of pure elements (in this case, pure objects), formless concepts that change/switch form and meaning as they go through our brain. When you see a door, you're receiving dream content that is constrained by sensorial input. When you dream, you're receiving dream content that is restrained by memory. It doesn't matter so much the degree of restraint that is being forced upon your mind, not so much as the fact that it goes between realities, and the realities in there dictate that the rules might change. So a chair is a chair because that's the form it receives in the waking reality. But in a dream, a chair can be a duck because every rule, from physical to semantic, can be broken. But then...how do we even organize the chaos? I mean, I still can't wrap up my head towards the notion of a triangular square...how can you even distort the rules of perception in this case 0o So, zoth gets everything but the logical impossibility unless we transform it into a logical possibility by bending other rules...but then, don't we risk landing onto different objects? That wouldn't solve the problem.

if you set up a complicated math equation you might not know or be able to deduce its correct waking-life solution -- especially before you've finished writing the equation -- but because this dream is your created reality you can give the equation any answer you want, whether or not it is correct in waking life

Wow.....just wow 0.0 It's like I just found out a whole new meaning to the concept of...wow 0o By that paradigm, I feel like I'm a 3 years old that can't understand much of the world, there's so much to reevaluate...I mean, the physics part is okay, but to distort these types of languages in itself is...wow lol. But it's very hard to think like this without making analogies, which are in essence the most dangerous thing in this kind of exercises.
So *tries to contain excitement* omniscience is pretty much a requirement if we're assuming lucid lucid (as in, you're as lucid as you would be in waking life), because at that point you're creating the reality. So of course you already know the answer to the equation silly, you're the one choosing the answer. And by that, of course we would already know the option you would choose, you're only there (lol, this sound so matrix like) to understand why you're making/wanting to make the choice.

Any object or person can be transferred between dreams and I am suggesting we do it all the time without thinking about it. Is it the very same object once it travels between dreams? Yes if the proficient Lucid Dreamer wants it to be.

So what would change here would be the image of the horse...the horse would have no image by itself, you'd simply obtain it's initial impression out of one reality and then go from there? Sounds pretty cool, but I'd say I'd take literally years to be able to form a decent "vocabulary" of concepts with distinct images. It's so much easier to just input (and let it be inputed by my unconscious mind) the reality into the dream ^^

*Zoth thanks Sageous and Wisher for the mental kaboom he just experienced*

You can't do anything that's beyond your mental capacity. For example, a person that has been blind from birth can't dream visually.

Originally Posted by Dreamzilla

Can anyone think of anything which is ultimately impossible for anyone to do within a dream? Not something which you personally can't do but something you believe nobody could ever do?

Not dreaming. Or do anything ultimately impossible of course..

Ok here's my third impossibility:

Stop creating what you are experiencing.

It's impossible to keep increasing your flight speed indefinitely. At some point all your reference points will blur out and you will inevitably lose all sense of movement, most likely being ejected into the void.

^^ Isn't that assuming that your flight is subject to physical laws, which in a dream it decidedly is not?

If you can accelerate indefinitey while disregarding your preconceptions about velocity, it might just be possible to add all the flight speed you can imagine.

That said, what you describe actually sounds pretty cool on its own; I'm tempted to have a go at it!

Originally Posted by Sageous

^^ Isn't that assuming that your flight is subject to physical laws, which in a dream it decidedly is not?

In order to have movement, you need to have something to move relative to. It's why people rarely get very far when they try to fly out into space from the earth.

I'd bet $$$ continuous acceleration is not possible, that you inevitably lose all sense of movement.

^^ I honestly wouldn't take that bet, as our waking-life assumptions about physics and the need to have something for your perception to use as a reference for that acceleration (like passing trees, clouds, planets, galaxies, etc.) are very difficult to either shed or at least modify. In other words: good point.

However, the upper limits of your speed might be literally astronomical, perhaps even non-existent, if you allow yourself to imagine the passage of those references in a manner that transcends your waking-life expectations. I think (and anecdotally know) that you can move past that blurring out process you correctly noted to a new level of speed that moves you from place to place (or universe to universe) as fast as you can imagine without losing a sense of acceleration -- as long as you take care to focus on the acceleration, and not the stuff that proves it (if that makes any sense). I'm not sure that you could still call it flight as you are flashing past galaxies, but that might also be the point you are making.

Originally Posted by Sageous

I'm not sure that you could still call it flight as you are flashing past galaxies, but that might also be the point you are making.

I was still flying pretty good for several layers of scale past galaxies. It was when everything just all blurred together into patches of dark and light that began to strobe. The strobe increased until it was just a constant light, a reverse void, where movement was no longer possible. I'm sure there's ways around that, but I still think there's always going to be a conceptual limitation.

What about avoiding a reflex? Would it be possible to be extremely cold without shivering?

^^ Now that is a good one. After all, how can you imagine in a dream that you are really cold without feeling the symptoms of being really cold? Seems another one to add to the list!

Seeing 360 degrees is definitely possible.