Thread: The Next Level

Originally Posted by slash112

I can tell you right now that Sageous is a good person to talk to about transcendence.

You've spoiled that opportunity by throwing spiteful comments at him. He's only trying to help.

But I do not want to talk about it, he mistakenly put his word "transcendence" here and tilted the topic in a different direction.

He also threw a lot of spiteful comments at me, just for your information. Did he?

I'm still here for ya.

Thanks for that.

But it really is a shame, Sageous knows what he's talking about.

I am not sure about that. He chose to ignore every fact and evidence, I provide him with, and he failed to provide any accurate examples and solid evidence in his defense.

Anyway, I have fulfilled all my tasks here! Separately, it seems that I was not looking for answers, but to restore my courage and rise up once more.

p.s. I understand that in a 'forum' I will not find 'real' answers. Only I can reach them through 'me' and nowhere else.

Sigh. Will this never end?

Originally Posted by RealityShifter

But I do not want to talk about it, he mistakenly put his word "transcendence" here and tilted the topic in a different direction.

No. I didn't.

What you are talking about on this thread, whether you are aware of it or not, is transcendence... what do you think "awakenings" and "next levels" are, if not transcendence? I was just using another word for what you proclaim you've done, a word I thought you understood. You might open a dictionary before you choose to insult people trying to work with you, if only to avoid a little embarrassment.

He also threw a lot of spiteful comments at me, just for your information. Did he?

No, I didn't.

That you think I did is very telling though. And that you showered me with spiteful comments without a care about the hypocrisy you were exhibiting is even more telling.

I am not sure about that. He chose to ignore every fact and evidence, I provide him with, and he failed to provide any accurate examples and solid evidence in his defense.

I ignored nothing, and commented on many of your facts. That you failed to notice that I did, and that you failed to notice that I offered backup for my own thoughts and opinions (and not, BTW statements of fact, as I already said) is, again, very telling.

... You do know that my posts are still up, and it's pretty easy to tell I wasn't doing all the things you say I was, right?

RealityShifter, I don't know why you've chosen to make these ceaseless and unprovoked attacks on me -- especially because you asked me to post here -- but I truly wish you would stop. I honestly was trying to help you, and to have a discussion; my only mistake here was not realizing quickly enough that you did not want a discussion, only an audience, and when I did notice it I left... only to feel a need to return because you continued to attack me even after I'd gone.

I have no idea why you think I hate you (I don't hate anyone, especially people I do not know), or why you think any of the things about me that you do, but I truly wish you would stop. I harbor no ill will toward you, and never did, even for a second. I truly hope you will let your anger at me subside, if only so we will be able to converse politely on other threads.

Moderators: if you are out there, I would appreciate it if you could please offer RealtyShifter a little advice about allowing people to express opinions on his threads that don't necessarily match his own, and doing so without taking it all so incredibly personally... especially when they are people for whose opinions he specifically asked. I was only trying to help (when, oh when, will I ever learn?).

p.s. I understand that in a 'forum' I will not find 'real' answers. Only I can reach them through 'me' and nowhere else.

To that I offer a most sincere "Good luck," and I hope you are very patient.

Originally Posted by gab

It's a shame, RealityShifter, that you so badly misunderstood the tone and intent of sageous's posts.

Originally Posted by RealityShifter

No, the shame is all yours, Gabi-tan my 'dear'

Originally Posted by sageous

Moderators: if you are out there, I would appreciate it if you could please offer RealtyShifter a little advice about allowing people to express opinions on his threads that don't necessarily match his own, and doing so without taking it all so incredibly personally... especially when they are people for whose opinions he specifically asked. I was only trying to help (when, oh when, will I ever learn?).

I tried with a gentle hint, sageous, but it didn't work. Instead, I got an insult. Perhaps there is a language barrier larger than I thought.

I could suggest that RealityShifter reads your other threads, sageous, and hopefully realize that you are in this solely to help all those that seek. But somehow I doubt that would help either. I could say, that I'm always amazed how you keep a cool head and somehow bypass the insults aimed at you and just keep focusing on the discussion. I and dozens of your students on this forum have learned so much from you, sageous. Keep teaching those that want to learn.

RealityShifter - a discussion sometimes contains ideas not all parties agree with. It doesn't mean that they are meant as a personal attack against other participants. Some things may hurt our feelings, but if they are not aimed personally at another person, if they are expressed in general, as an idea, you can't be offended by that. On the other hand, calling someone "dear" when we all know how you meant it, is not cool. No more personal attacks, por favor. Enjoy the discussion.

Originally Posted by gab

I tried with a gentle hint, sageous, but it didn't work. Instead, I got an insult. Perhaps there is a language barrier larger than I thought.

I could suggest that RealityShifter reads your other threads, sageous, and hopefully realize that you are in this solely to help all those that seek. But somehow I doubt that would help either. I could say, that I'm always amazed how you keep a cool head and somehow bypass the insults aimed at you and just keep focusing on the discussion. I and dozens of your students on this forum have learned so much from you, sageous. Keep teaching those that want to learn.

RealityShifter - a discussion sometimes contains ideas not all parties agree with. It doesn't mean that they are meant as a personal attack against other participants. Some things may hurt our feelings, but if they are not aimed personally at another person, if they are expressed in general, as an idea, you can't be offended by that. On the other hand, calling someone "dear" when we all know how you meant it, is not cool. No more personal attacks, por favor. Enjoy the discussion.

I'm sorry, if I you think I offended you, but that was not an insult. It seems you didn't catch that one, but this was a classical anime gag. In my ears that 'dear' it sounds even sweeter than normal dear. I have the bad habit of imagining all girls as anime heroines Click here

Despite his portrayal as a serious character, a major contrast is his habit of putting "-tan" at the end of a person's name. He addresses both Benio and Arima as "Beni-tan" and "Arima-tan", despite not being particularly close with Benio.

He has been an otaku since 14, when Harumi Tsuchimikado bring him and Arima to the Mainland. [1]He loves the BonBonBina Magical Girls show and even buys a T-shirt that cost him 10,000 yen.

I read through the thread from the link he provided about "transcendence", but what I read sounded really confusing to me.

that a transcendent experience exceeds all the metaphor we currently have on hand to associate the event to something we can understand. In other words, there is literally no reference available to explain what happened. This is especially true on a personal level, because it implies that a transcendent dream cannot be remembered, simply because your mind has no metaphor on hand to reference what happened. So, someone has a transcendent dream, or sees God (as Saul did above), and the best that your mind can do to describe it, after the fact, was "bright light." You know something bigger happened, but you simply cannot describe it. And yes, even someone who knows more and comprehends more efficiently than others will wind up in the same position, if he has a transcendent moment. It isn't about a particular human's ability to comprehend, it's about the experience exceeding that ability, regardless. I think that in a nutshell is the definition of transcendence.

If you can not remember the event, how do you know it was "transcendent"?

The awakening I'm publishing here is about spiritual awakening, and it differs mainly from being an unforgettable experience. No matter how hard you try to forget it, you can not.

Fifth, as lucid dream researcher, Ed Kellogg, Ph.D., has described, the memory of a long OBE experience seems crystal clear and easily recalled in a linear order, while memory of an equally long lucid dream seems less detailed and more difficult to recall precisely and in order. Many lucid dreamers, myself included, report this hampered memory with long lucid dreams, though my long OBE experiences seem comparatively clear, memorable, and detailed.
Sixth, OBErs usually report “returning” to their body, sometimes with a noticeable reconnection. Lucid dreamers, by contrast, at the end of the lucid dream report waking up, having a false awakening, or the dream imagery “going gray” (that is, losing normal visuals and seeing a diffused dark state).

In short, those experiencing OBEs normally recognize their state from the start; they often report unique vibratory and energy sensations preceding their experience; they seem to accept and not change their environment; they seem to recall easily the details of their experience; and, OBE reports contain more reference to “returning to the body.”

I have see that you have some special Sensei-student relationship in which I will not interfere.
I'm sorry, that I do not want to learn from him, but I think I've surpassed him long time ago. The only thing he is better than me is "the way of the speech".

Originally Posted by RealityShifter

I'm sorry, that I do not want to learn from him, but I think I've surpassed him long time ago. The only thing he is better than me is "the way of the speech".

One thing I know, that a truly transcended person would never say that he is better than anybody else. People who say that are those that have no idea how much they don't know.

Originally Posted by gab

One thing I know, that a truly transcended person would never say that he is better than anybody else. People who say that are those that have no idea how much they don't know.

The same goes for your sensei I never said I was a transcended person in your way of meaning it and to be honest I will never want to be one. My goals lies elsewhere, much much much further away from this.

Originally Posted by RealityShifter

I read through the thread from the link he provided about "transcendence", but what I read sounded really confusing to me....If you can not remember the event, how do you know it was "transcendent"?

The awakening I'm publishing here is about spiritual awakening, and it differs mainly from being an unforgettable experience. No matter how hard you try to forget it, you can not.

That is an excellent question, and one worth answering in spite of all this, especially because you took the time to look at that thread:

It isn't that you can't remember a transcendental experience; mine, for instance, are among the most powerful memories I possess. No, it is that a transcendent moment's content ranges beyond your (or any human's) ability to describe it. Metaphors -- the things we use to describe things -- do not exist for what happens in a transcendental experience, so, even though the person who has them remembers them very well, even perfectly, describing them (even to himself) is very difficult and the resulting description almost always diminishes the actual experience (or gets further reduced if the person chooses to attach, say, existing religious metaphor or maybe images from transcendence-themed movies like The Matrix or Lucy to describe what happened). This is why you will hear folks who've had them say things like "It was indescribable," or "You had to be there." And, of course, this same thing happens with spiritual awakenings, which are transcendental events.

So yes, transcendental experiences are extremely memorable, just almost literally impossible to describe. Now here's a twist: if you have one of these experiences while lucid (or in an OBE, or AP) you will remember them well, but if you have one during a NLD, you probably won't remember them at all,because your unconscious discards them quickly because it has no tools to remember them at all... so we could all be having transcendental experiences every night, and are simply not remembering them.

I'm not sure if this lines up with what I wrote years ago, as my view on this is evolving daily, but hopefully it will help clear things up a bit.

I'm sorry, that I do not want to learn from him, but I think I've surpassed him long time ago.

If this is true, then why is a concept (and experience) so fundamental to spiritualism as transcendence so alien to you? That might be something to think about, some day, and I honestly hope that you do.