Okay, as the "long-time member" you seem not interested in naming but very interested in misunderstanding, I feel a need to make a couple of defensive statements:
Originally Posted by oneironautics
" First Post Author (will call RS) says he has been struggling too finally post it took alot of courage from his
part. After a few months he asks if anybodys has any suggestions or comments if. and the first long comment
posted Basically says its not interesting enough too comment on a bit defensive and annoyed , while RS is only
looking for some positive encouragement and obviously is struggling too find help with his deepest fears and
ambitions.
No, I basically did not say that. In fact, I didn't say anything like that at all.
I was sincerely asking what RS was looking for -- and he in turn went on the attack; repeatedly. RS was never clear about what his next step or journey was, and any time we asked for explanations, he basically told us we were too inexperienced or naive to understand any explanation he could offer -- who exactly was insulting who here? Also, when he finally did offer his big reveal, I felt I was being very polite by not listing the assorted movies whose imagery his words remarkably resembled (i.e., Lucy, the Matrix, Highlander, etc); I gave him the benefit of the doubt, which is only fair, and yet was still personally berated and insulted in almost every post RS made.
In post nr. 60+71 Long time member says 'what next level'? What are you mocking that he is not as enlightened as you?
In a video game there are usually about 30 levels, who says he didn't reach next level and ready too work on
getting too next?
I was not mocking RS, ever, even once. I try not to ever mock people (though I do occasionally get condescending, which is not good either), but was especially careful on this thread, given RS's apparent volatility. That you thought I was mocking him seems a bit odd to me.
In post nr. 75 long time member says he doesnt feel there are OBE s and again is belittling RS's experiences.
No, I was expressing my opinion of OBE's, and nothing more (I have never said OBE's don't exist, BTW). Am I not allowed to have an opinion? There was no "belittling" going on. At all.
I'm sorry but wasn't this posted in Deep Dreaming/Beyond Dreaming where the rules state that sceptisism is'nt the idea?
but too encourage other member??"
No. It was not posted in Deep Dreaming, and Beyond Dreaming has no problem with skepticism, debate and disagreement.
In conclusion why are certain members allowed to be belittling and sceptical
in a room where the rules clearly state otherwise and another be banned whilst in a room that allows disscussion?"
I highly recommend, Oneironautics, that you reread this thread, and try to take note of the number of times Reality Shifter belittled, berated, insulted, and generally attacked us, repeatedly and often quite personally (here and on other threads). That you failed to notice his attitude is puzzling at best. And again, RS was not in a room that prohibited debate.
Alright end rant, if i get booted for speaking against 'masters' At least i have spoken from my heart.
I would really like too hear how RS's journey continues maybe he only deserves a temporary ban? Even prisoners get time
too fit the crime, not forever.
As the one of the "masters" you seem to be referring to, you can rest assured that RS did not get banned because of his interchanges with me. This thread wound down long before he was booted. Please don't blame me for what happened to RS; I truly had absolutely nothing to do with it; RS was not banned for speaking against me, and I never requested his banning. Also, I have never made any claim to be a master (of anything), though I think you will find that RS did make such claims about himself quite often. I am again curious about how you came to think these things...
I also sincerely hope that your post was made completely of your own volition, and not as a result of a conversation with RS on another site (or as a result of RS himself borrowing your ID and that this is actually him speaking, and not you -- which I believe is the sort of thing he may have already attempted doing, and seems a more likely reason for getting banned). I find it truly stunning that you drew the conclusions that you did, and only drew them now, even though the last post of this thread was made months ago, and long before RS was banned.
I have no idea, indeed, how I managed to be pulled into this entire mess in the first place, but blaming me for any of it is fairly disingenuous, I think, and most definitely incorrect. I hope, if you were sincere in your rant, that you will consider my point of view, and take a second look at the way RS treated people who were trying to work with him (here and on other threads)... and no, I don't think there was a misunderstanding due to any problems RS had with English; he seemed to be doing just fine, when it suited him.
And, of course, I say all this with respect, Oneironautics, I am merely defending myself, and am in no way attacking you... and no, you won't get banned for speaking your opinion; it takes a bit more than that, I think.
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