Thread: Has anyone else heard about 2012 being like this?

no offense bro but you know that saying: 'two wrongs dont make a right' and 'do unto others...', right? If you dont like the slanderous remarks from people, it would be best to set an example and not to respond with any

...just some sound advice

Originally posted by Ex Nine
Magic gravel. That's awesome.

Maybe magic beans to go along with it? Can't hurt to play on a classic. Recently The Brothers Grimm helped romanticize them a little further.

Beans.

Hey, beans might work. In fact, I've already got a jingle made up:

Beans, beans, the magical fruit,
the more you eat, the more likely you are to survive the apocalypse.

Dunno where you got the your calender idea.
There are 2, you got that right.

The early Maya adopted two different time systems, the tzolkin cycle with the solar year and the Venus cycle of 584 days.

They are both astrological. Why have a calender not based in the real world?>
No wonder you think this is all BS. Keep on reserching.

The Tau are simply one of the main contributing cultures. There are always more. Just as "Tau" is a word that represents a mythological group that we know not about. I know nothing about how they came to be origionally, save for what Darwin and the Shamans remember. Please do not argue semantics about a term being used as a metaphor for an entire civilization. It is like saying the name of one's country perfectly describes self. I am sure they were not autocaratic such as your way of thinking. There were farmers, villagers, nobles,, what have you, just as any population.
Are the Tau real? = yes
Are the Tau fake? = yes No symbol ever works. A rhetorical riddle.

2012 is a galactic equinox of Polaris, the milky way, and our sun.
When they allign, there will be a LOT of energy, as the universal tree of life will be able to flow more easily to the earth.

If you think it means the earth's birth, that is silly. It is more likely their cultural revolution, that is not that old, although i don't know. Many cultures have existed there.

It is just light energy I guess. I do not know. It is energy of many sorts we can't observe.
It also allows for quicker OBE to other places along that way, paths & ways of energy.

As I have said, I have no idea what this means. I am preparing, for what I know not.

As for my statement amount animorphic evolution. It is ancient Tao, it is ancient shmanism, it is my religion... I would appreciate that you be more respectful of my beliefs and ways. It is as though you blsphem my very nature and I think you know not of what you speak. Many native traditions around the world have stories of the animals that taught them the ways and bore them into this life. I suggest learning some of these ancient truths before they vanish entirely. Frodo lives.

Please when you attack this in the future, remember you attack my "religion."
I do not harbor any anger, I understand & forgive. Please treat the subject with respect.

I do not assume everyone is dumb, I am sorry, that was directed at those who attack others, not anyone else. But I do not believe ignorence is bad. You have some negative attachments to common things. I am ignorent of many things, other wise I would not sit here and debate the topic, I am learning.

Fear of ignorence and death are both desires that cloud clairity in live and dreams.

If you cannot take my comments on a forum, I wonder how it is in real life.
You must be strong Tsen to defeat these as must I as must we all.

Just because I say it does not mean I judge you for it or anyone else. But I won't lie. It has become to easy for this society to ignore its problems and die in a stupor. Know that every fault I claim I have two-fold upon my soul. Takes one to know one.

And Tsen, if dreams are hardly evidence, why post here?> Scepticism?
I guess you don't believe me at all. Trust is a hard thing in a world of malice.
I believe you.
Careful not to spend life in disbelief, you will miss many good parts.
Careful not to spend life in belief, you'll get a knife in your back.

You make me think of Rand in the Wheel of Time being able to trust no one and searching every word for lies. Beware of becoming the Lord of Chaos. Beware of letting skepticism destroy your chance at greatness.

I care not if you believe in or know anything about 2012. That was more a test of quality, not factual quantity. Take care.^^

the hardest thing about helping heal someone is
you must point out all of their faults that need healing

if no one wants to talk about becoming better dreamers, better people
why talk at all?

I could point out your strong points
but I only do that for people who need it
as I only heal those who need it

In the end, if & when it comes, who will be able to except help? Who will help?

The difference is I am pointing out faults because I care about you
I only tear down the parts of people they use to tear other people down. These are NOT your weaknesses, they are OUR weaknesses. Remember, I said we are all connected.

What is Lucid knighthood? What is heroism if we let the ones we love lie themselves to death? Whom are the righteous and who will we each follow?

Will you stand by in this life and watch the ones you love kill themselves, or will you try to help them, even if it means breaking the peace?

Many will come to great power in this time. Most will corrupt and commit grievous acts against humanity (as many are currently). Whos side will you stand on? is the struggle over or has it just begun?

All that matters is that I got you each thinking deeply in relation to your very deepest instinctual empathy. All that matters is we all care deeply enough to respond so intense and seriously. Even if 2012 is nothing, it is already more then something for many.

And thought does in fact change physical matter. Will we think ourselves to death? We must think of peace and transcendence, yet I feel war in their hearts. I hope everyone is ok. I pray for peace everyday. m(_._)m zzZ We need earth as the earth needs us.

"Mighty God is the Living man." --Bob

Blu, you say that those who say they know lie, and then you tell everyone how wrong they are and how stupid they are for not knowing the history of the entire human civilisation. You then say that you've 'seen' the end and contradict yourself by saying that actually you have no idea what's going to happen.

And have you actually read the Tao? A yes or no answer will suffice.

As for ego - it seems to me very egoistic to call everyone wrong and half the world evil. You know you won't find any enlightened being slandering others.

It might be benificial for you to try a buddist martial art -I think it would do you a whole lot of good.

Please when you attack this in the future, remember you attack my \"religion.\"
I do not harbor any anger, I understand & forgive. Please treat the subject with respect. [/b]

Here's the problem: I don't respect your religion.

It's based on paranoia and cotton balls, from what you've posted of it.
Besides, check my custom title. See the whole \"Faithbuster!\" thing? Yeah. Not a big friend of Theology here.

The fact is, I've got you beat. I guaruntee I know more about quantum physics than you do. Wouldn't be hard, since apparently you know about nil.

The scientist who did that \"water crystal\" experiment didn't isolate the water. The \"crystal\" formed when around heavy metal music is nothing more than a water ripple. A water ripple caused by the water's exposure to sound waves, in fact. And if the water wasn't isolated from outside influence, you can't really make much of the rest of his research, can you?

Also, you still haven't really commented on the Florence Island bit. You claimed earlier that they were, and I quote: \"They are just smaller humans with larger brains capable of magic.\"
The midgets on Florence Island had SMALLER brains. 1/3 the size of ours. In addition, their evolution suggests that they were incapable of intercontintental travel. Further, they used STONE tools. Very crude. If they could extract metal from the earth with their minds, I'd think they'd use it.

3114 BC IS the time Mayans predicted as the beginning of the world. That's a straight up fact. Not open for interpretation, including your bit that they just predicted the start of their society. And they were wrong. As we know, civilization STARTED long before that.

I am tired of this backward, backwater religioso thinking that humans are only a few thousand years old and evolved from one source. [/b]

I don't believe that we're only a few thousand years old. But I DO believe that we evolved from one source, seeing as how two separate species CAN'T breed, therefore CAN'T evolve. You're still going to have to show me evidence for your new evolutionary theory.

Blu, you're pathetic. You've been beaten in argument. Outright beaten. Why then, do you cling to your position? You've got no backing, and all your supporting arguments are being knocked down.

Heh, I forgot to add.

The bit about the dreams.

Yeah, I joined this forum because I believe in Lucid Dreams. Lucid Dreams are scientifically valid & proven, thanks to Stephen LaBerge at the Lucidity Institute.

THAT DOESN'T mean that I believe in procognition in dreams. Two very different subjects. One is scientifically proven, the other isn't by a long shot.

Just to help out (check the Faithbuster! title here too):

Tsen correctly observed: "A water ripple caused by the water's exposure to sound waves"

More completely, you are watching a Standing Wave forming in a non-air environment - ie. making it visible. The same can be observed with any electromagnetic radiation. A portion of that wave is reflected back upon itself. The more tuned to the environment, the less reflected and therefore, the less standing wave formed.

This is a major concern in designing radio antennas. Some very serious applied science is involved in new designs (and a little "black magic" aka "art")

Standing Waves of the same frequency will cancel the forward waves, since they are out of phase. Standing Waves in the same phase will increase the reverse signal and cause heating of the transmitter.

Regardless, this is like a 6th grade science-faire project...

A water ripple
is just as much a reaction.
You say I am wrong yet Proove me right with every word.

Forgive me I have anger, I am not afraid to slay others' demons.
It is though there are two minds of this world, those of life & those of death.

I say I am the contradiction, and then you all pick apart an argument.
I already admit every way I am wrong.
I win.

Thank you, now it IS personal.

Insult my religion? You have no virtue. I now no longer trust you.
I do not believe you.
You are a liar Tsen.

Respect others. Nothing I have said hurts anyone.
You hurt others in tradition without evidence or reason.

Your hell is the life you live.
Enjoy your desire. I will do something about it.

Originally posted by Blu
Your hell is the life you live.
Enjoy your desire. I will do something about it.

Here's your character sheet and 20-sided dice...dont' let the door knob hit you on the ass on your way out.

Originally posted by Tsen
Here's the problem: I don't respect your religion.

It's based on paranoia and cotton balls, from what you've posted of it.

The fact is, I've got you beat. I guaruntee I know more about quantum physics than you do. Wouldn't be hard, since apparently you know about nil.

Blu, you're pathetic. You've been beaten in argument. Outright beaten. Why then, do you cling to your position? You've got no backing, and all your supporting arguments are being knocked down.

I still respect you.
You have completely passed off my way of life as "paranoia."
Yet I never said I was afraid.
You say you know more and never prove it.
What I was saying was obvious to me.
Real.
It is a part of the myriad of stories that is my life.
Your words cut deep.
Please stop this.
Please, give me some respect.

A lot of what I say, the metaphor is more important.
I really don't believe in any "facts"
I believe my way and your way, as well.

Tao, yes.
Is Tao my religion, no. Religion is a concept.
Shamanism, Qigong, Tai chi, Bard... these are my beliefs.
You say they are not real.
Yet I live them.

We see as we want to see and we can see anything.
dreams = reality
Tao=Te
1=0

Don't you see? I always believe in the fact and its opposition.
You will all always be 50% right & 50% wrong, and so will I.
<( ^ ^)>

what more is each part of life
the dice rolls of 0-?
all things can be counted.

I do not know if that is a joke or a compliment, i guess both. well, game imitate life as multimedia art. Divine your own truth.

Hey,

My dad and I have racked up a load of information about 2012 and the seven years before that. I am thinking about making a timeline of the future. The seven years of tribulation I think start next year[2006]! The seven year of tribulation is mentioned in the Revelation book of the Bible.

Read it!

Look at this site http://www.satansrapture.com/nostindex.htm. Kinda connects the words of the Revelation to stuff happening now. This is only a piece of the puzzle.

Originally posted by Tsen
Here's the problem: I don't respect your religion.

It's based on paranoia and cotton balls, from what you've posted of it.
Besides, check my custom title. See the whole \"Faithbuster!\" thing? Yeah. Not a big friend of Theology here.

The fact is, I've got you beat. I guaruntee I know more about quantum physics than you do. Wouldn't be hard, since apparently you know about nil.

The scientist who did that \"water crystal\" experiment didn't isolate the water. The \"crystal\" formed when around heavy metal music is nothing more than a water ripple. A water ripple caused by the water's exposure to sound waves, in fact. And if the water wasn't isolated from outside influence, you can't really make much of the rest of his research, can you?

Also, you still haven't really commented on the Florence Island bit. You claimed earlier that they were, and I quote: \"They are just smaller humans with larger brains capable of magic.\"
The midgets on Florence Island had SMALLER brains. 1/3 the size of ours. In addition, their evolution suggests that they were incapable of intercontintental travel. Further, they used STONE tools. Very crude. If they could extract metal from the earth with their minds, I'd think they'd use it.

3114 BC IS the time Mayans predicted as the beginning of the world. That's a straight up fact. Not open for interpretation, including your bit that they just predicted the start of their society. And they were wrong. As we know, civilization STARTED long before that.
I don't believe that we're only a few thousand years old. But I DO believe that we evolved from one source, seeing as how two separate species CAN'T breed, therefore CAN'T evolve. You're still going to have to show me evidence for your new evolutionary theory.

Meaningless. Seriously. The word \"Tau\" may be in all the languages (I'm not sure on all of them, just a few), but it doesn't mean the same thing in every one. Likely coincidence, especially considering that \"Tau\" is a one-syllable word, increasing the chances of it appearing in many languages exponentially.
You didn't leave the blog address, so I can't verify it using your source. But again, incorrect. One, no evidence of a world-spanning civilization has been found. In fact, evidence points towards the OPPOSITE. All information gathered from ancient civilizations points towards low mobility. Don't go saying that the evidence was just destroyed and rewritten, because that's just a cheap ticket out and you know it. Show us HOW and WHY the evidence was destroyed.

Still, evidence suggest incredibly low mobility until relatively recent times. In fact, one of your other statements furthers this. The \"Hobbit\" skeletons found were that of a branch of the human evolution chain that, after being isolated on a very small landmass for an extended amount of time, evolved to be smaller. This sort of evolution happens often times when a species is confined to a small space for many generations. It's happened on other islands as well, this just furthers this. A civilization with infinite mobility and technological advances, especially one with \"mind-powers\" should be capable of intercontinental travel, but the evolution of these skeletons suggests THE OPPOSITE; that the branch of the human race isolated on that island was IMMOBILE and incapable of leaving the island. Now, evolution is a pretty set-in-stone theory in this regard. It's got plenty of backing evidence. Do you have any evidence for your \"theory\" of evolution (from many animorphic beings)?
The Mayans based their 2012 prediction off of two calendars: A religious calendar with NO basis in the physical world, and an astrological calendar based on the movement of the moon and earth. The last time the years began on the same day, they said the world began. No backing evidence there. Hell, you'd have to admit that it's VERY wrong, seeing as how it puts the world's birth at 3114 BC. That's WAY off, even according to your theory.
Not possible, even with your demented idea of quantum physics. Energy generation can't occur through merely thinking about it, no matter how advanced your mind is. Extracting metal from the ground is possible, but unlikely. And it wouldn't fall under the category of \"things you can control via thought\" either.
Both right and wrong here. Yes, we had theorized about smaller humans. But we certainly hadn't theorized that they had mind powers. And you're still caught with your pants down on that one--where's your backing? I'd like evidence if you expect to convice me that people arrived at the conclusion that midgets with telekenisis were running about a few thousand years ago, and all without breaching logical laws. Also, the theory WAS proven last year. But not the mind-powers part. And it falls under my evolution statement above, which voids your statement that they were a globe-spanning civilization. Especially seeing as how as far as we can tell the \"hobbits\" were anything but advanced technology wise.
I'd like to see some backing for this statement. Evolution's got it's backing. For the second time today, I'd like to suggest the book \"The Origin of Species\" by Charles Darwin.
Evolving from many races would imply breeding of two unlike species. That is, species that don't even vaguely resemble eachother. IE, try and get a cat and a dog to mate. It won't work. And that's mild compared to what you're suggesting. Cats and dogs are at least both mammals. You're implying something far beyond that.
Like I said earlier, religion and science are VERY different. Magic doesn't even enter the picture.
Not so. Leastwise, we haven't found any evidence to suggest things being that way. We've never dug up a civilization's remains that's been more advanced than we are. Sorry.
Black holes don't destroy matter. They're gravitational singularities, and you can bet that it'd kill a human if they happened to somehow get pulled into one, but it wouldn't destroy the matter the person was made of. Eventually, if all the matter is sucked into black holes, the black holes will begin to suck up eachother, and we'll reach one huge singularity, (Big Crunch) which would then re-expand into a new universe (New Big Bang). The black holes never destroy anything, they only destroy it as we know it.
You like making bold and unbacked statements, don't you? The things you've said are ANYTHING but proven. Hell, they're self-contradictory.
That's nice. Thanks for assuming that everybody else on the forum are uneducated nimrods. Been there, done that. I've studied it, and I find the apocalyptical theories lacking.
Creepy how much you sound like Nirvana Starseed there. \"One-ness\" and all that. Honestly, I've given him what-for on it, and he's never been able to back his claims. Back your claims, please. If you want to see my backup for my atheist standpoint, see the Religion forum. You'll have to join the Religious Discussion team to get into it though. Just click the \"Teams\" icon at the top of the site and find the Religious Discussion team, click join and go to the forum. Isn't hard to find my stuff there.
Seems to me my Grandpa came through it okay. The dust bowl wasn't anything amazing. Yeah, it was nasty. It made a lot of people hungry. We probably wouldn't be fully prepared if it happened again, but we wouldn't die off by the billions, either. The Dust Bowl was a completely natural and unremarkable event. It proves nothing, other than that the US wasn't prepared for a famine at the time.
Dreams are hardly evidence. I've had dreams that my rabbit gnawed off my leg and started ripping people's throats out. Looked like something out of a Monty Python movie. But that doesn't mean it will happen.

Oh hey... this is just me thinking about this but... Ok here I go.

Before the Great Flood [talked about in the bible] the Mayans, Incans, and many other great civilizations existed. They all built pyramids and other great monuments. Isn't it kinda weird that people on different continents built pyramids. Maybe the people from before the Great Flood were as advanced as us or more advanced.

I think that aliens we see today are descendants[lesser demons] of Fallen Angels[higher demons] who escaped in UFO's to Mars during the Great Flood. That might explain why we find pyramids and cities on Mars. The Illuminate I heard has live conversations with these demons and maybe the demons influence them on what to do. Maybe the demons are trying to achieve what the could not achieve before. A lasting one world order where the normal humans are enslaved.

I know this is weird but take it into consideration... and find evidence about it.

The Forsaken..
I often wonder who will be the firs to cry "Dragon reborn"
Who will be the first evangelist fool to rally up the legends of old for warmongering.

I believe you are right, they are the old reincarnations (new as well, as time is abstraction) of the fallen angels. Tolkien's great choir of angels reevolved through the similar wave of energy in this part of the universe, now in our forms today.

Final Fantasy VII accurately depicts a version of the begining of our age in the Hebrew tradition. The Sephiroth are the fallen, the forsaken chosen ones. This is described completely in Advent Children (soon america, soon rofl) which I have studied extensively. It is genetic. It is the fabled 7th chromosome. The parabolic evolution peaking in certain abilities and stats for every person in a different way. For every person that lives their opposite does as well, perfectly, backwards and forwards through time.

Every age is the final battle in a neverending saga of tests.
The songs of the fallen. The Angels of God whom sung in discord. The void.

No one is a leader. No one should be worshiped. No thing should be worshiped.
Yet every word we speak is idolatry, is ego, is self, is personal god.

We have leaders now who aer out of their minds with power.
Will it get worse, will it get better?

I have never made any of these points as facts, merely asked of their possibilities.

What demons and angels do u each see?
to me they are oft same.
The Lords of Chaos.
Fighting for Peace.

Originally posted by hop_ic
I think that aliens we see today are descendants[lesser demons] of Fallen Angels[higher demons] who escaped in UFO's to Mars during the Great Flood. That might explain why we find pyramids and cities on Mars. The Illuminate I heard has live conversations with these demons and maybe the demons influence them on what to do. Maybe the demons are trying to achieve what the could not achieve before. A lasting one world order where the normal humans are enslaved.

Yeah. Except for the fact that there AREN'T cities and pyramids on Mars. Like, at all. Hell, we're having a hard enough time finding microscopic life on Mars, let alone cities.

Here's a map for you. Please point out the location of those cities and pyramids. This is made from the Mariner 9 and Viking probe information:

http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/moc_at...s/indexfull.jpg
(EDIT: Changed to a link, the picture was too big to display on the tread)

Further, the Illuminate are a load of BS overpopularized by the Dan Brown novels.

Higher Demons or Fallen Angels are also pretty much crap. I'd like evidence, as always. Bible doesn't count, seeing as how it's spent a few thousand years being modified, and wasn't written by people who could be considered scientifically viable. They were full of bias (as were those who modified it), and likely weren't writing it to be a scientific journal. Something more akin to a propaganda book, actually.

that's what the tell you they know.
http://www.mt.net/~watcher/mars.html

I'll ignore the typo for now, but if you would, PLEASE proofread your posts. Especially when they're only a sentence long. I may be mistaken, but I don't believe that would kill you.

Now, kindly explain WHY NASA would bother to 'hide' evidence of these cities from us. Do you think they extract some sort of perverted joy out of conning us? I've got news for you, I've got two friends who work for NASA. They're very sane, and very kind. They don't hide things from people.

And honestly, I have trouble with your source. Seeing as how they cite things such as this as evidence:

The colossal martian pyramid also demonstrates a redundant geometry which, according to Richard Hoagland, holds the key for understanding high level quantum mechanics. These redundant geometrical messages encoded in the Cydonia monuments have continued to stand up under meticulous scrutiny from the scientific world. (Richard C. Hoagland, The Monumentsof Mars, p. 355) There is no surprise that knowledge of such magnitude would be found in a city built by the angels of God. [/b]

Richard Hoagland, eh? Let's Google him, shall we?

Well here we go, a good place to start. Phil Plait's Bad Astronomy Page

Basically, the whole page is there to debunk Hoagland. Does a fair job of it. Have a looksy!

In short, take a look at this.

Here's the low res picture Hoagland based his claims off of.



He derived the 'teeth' from this image. That's wrong in many respects, since the original picture's margin of error is greater than the size of the teeth, and second because he was (trying) to build a 3D model out of a single 2D picture. The fact is, you can only sharpen an image so much before you're not really sharpening at all, but altering. The original was blurry and low-quality, simply not the stuff you can base claims of the devil residing on Mars off of.

Here's the latest probe picture of the 'face'.



It's just an eroded mesa. Interesting, but certainly not a face. And most definitely not a carved structure.

EDIT: Thought this was rather hilarious. While we're discussing faces on mars, Vladimir Lenin is parading about on shower curtains.

Mars isn't all that far away. Even my 24" dobsonian on a dark night when Mars is close (as it has been the last couple of years) would be picking out large cities.

DUDE! stop religion bashing.
I am not a christian, but I have fully read the Bible & the Gnostics parts.

If you want scientific proof, go find some. You certainly haven't yet. You say you do, but show no evidence, save for mars, but I'm with ya on that one.

"Angels" & "Demons" are merely metaphors for those whom are more powerful reicarnations.

I agree, the Bible has been and is being rewritten, and for much much longer then you say, as the Kabala came from somewhere, as Hidu came from somewhere, as Egyptian necromancy came from somewhere, as TAu came from somewhere.

Tau is another metaphor for what is a hole in history, not a fact. It is obvious a powerful culture WAS there to influence all of these sacred texts.

Also, Tsen... I KNOW religion and science are separate today in western culture. You bash me for it, yet you never address the other cultures or give examples.

Many cultures still do not separate the two (Hindu much?) and they have a creation story wirtten thousands of years ago that describes a type of "big bang. "

Science = Religion
We just make up different words for the same actions.
There are fanatic scientists who are wrong.
There are fanatic theologins that are wrong.
There are tue scientists who are right.
There are tru theologins who are right.
50% everyone is wrong, or right. No name like "Science" saves grace OR proves a point

Every word we each speak is our own personal science or religion. Yours is different from mine. Someone may call what you say is "science" a "load of dingos kidneys"
It does not change anything.

Science not being the same as religion is a fairly new idea in the history of things.
So please stop Saying, Tsen, that "science" is an end-all fact. It is not. You could very well say science supports the temples on Mars, it doesn't make it scientific.

Rhetoric is a silly game. These words are all the same.
I dreamt again about a massive earthquake that wiped out entire cities.

If you do not believe I dream, I do not believe you know science.
In fact, this is the last of these redudant responses to random righteous "scientific" critisms.

STOP INSULTING RELIGION.
I believe in angels and demons. You may say you do not, but I would have you refrain from hurting others and insults while you talk about your opinion. You don't know anything for sure, as none of us do Tsen. Please talk with some compassion that some others at least have it partially right. Do it again, and I will take action to prevent it in the future. None of us tear down you. I have roundly insulted your insults, but not your "facts." Be nice, damn.

In fact... I see the angels and demons everyday and know of few of them. Their just humans. This is no big deal. Most religios texts and even quatum physicists talk about spirits having different levels of energy. It's just astrology and astronomy defining our energies over the ages of existence at a point. No biggy. Barely even interesting until they all come into power. Most of the Forsaken are still children it seems. Those in power today are too dumb and greed filled to have the clairity that is required to create a Boddhisitava.

Also, someone reccomended Buddhism to me. Rofl. I have read, I believe, it is an integral part of the thousands of religions I've studied. I feel that monks who do not fight for the peace of the world are cowards.

Peace is just as much an illusion as war.
I study the TAo & Te still.
Neutrality is more sacred then war or peace,
in a world where you have no choice but to sin.

Tsen,
One sentence on mars does not deserve a tangent.
Who cares? 2012!! hello?!

And to combine your proof on Mars and then say angels are not real,
but then to give pages worth on one subject and NOTHING on the other,
makes it look like you really don't know.
lol-- i believe you, but it discredits your widom about the supernatural. But now I hope that the temples are microscopic XD hahaha.

Of course... I doubt you care, as they aren't real. ROFL good evidence. good science. lol

Also, don't judge ppl for typos. Not everyone is so perfect. Some don't even have english as a 1st language I'm sure. Who cares!?! If you played online games w/ other ppl form other countires you would see how the language is morphing at the speed of light as all information is combining. We are on the edge of a way that is changing almost every culture on the planet. Who cares?!?

roflmao u no0bx0r!!! stop tearing others down.