Thread: Has anyone else heard about 2012 being like this?

I don't see where it was said that only those hurting the earth will die. Not only the guilty would be hurt if you eg. aggravate a volcano.
Anyway, try keep it friendly please.

Heh, sorry Placebo. I'll try to keep it a tad more nice-like.

Anyway, he said that you can only push the earth so far before it pushes back, and I've got a tad bit of a problem with that. It's completely irrational scientifically. Now, you can spout global warming, but that's debunked if you look at the REAL facts. You can use the increased natural disasters, but until a few more happen, it's just a statistical blip. Geological time is different from our own, and having this many natural disasters isn't that unusual. Unusual when compared to a human lifetime, but not when compared to the lifespan of the earth. Now if you say that eventually humans will decline and be removed from the face of the earth, you're probably right. But not for a LONG time. Dinosaurs lasted millions of years, and we've only been around for a few thousand. We've got quite a bit of time before we hit our end, and we probably will outlast the dinosaurs. After all, we're sentient, which is a big plus on our side. Perhaps we'll eventually pick up a role as galactical nomads or something. I don't know, we're nowhere near there yet. But to say we'll all die, or even that many of us will die, and all in a relatively short time span, is a load of bogus. Is it possible? I suppose. But not likely. Now, when I say "not likely" I mean roughly the probability that a Ferrari will spontaneously appear out of thin air in front of you with the keys in the ignition and a valid registration in the glove box. The fact is, to kill all of human population, or even most of it, you'd need some SERIOUS power. Like, door-to-door with a tank. And even then...a few would live. And don't get me started on a Supreme Being doing all that. Just go check the Religious Discussion forum for my views on that.

I tend to agree with you on the likelihood of it wiping out our race in the short term.
We have no idea how we're affecting this planet with our wierd lifestyles - it could be severe or otherwise, but until we know it all...what can we do about it really? I'm not even convinced that the ozone layer problem is caused by us, for example.
Yeah, it's incredibly difficult to determine when a natural disaster was indeed natural or not. How can we possibly tell?

I don't know what to expect, what to believe in, who to believe.

the mayans are a very ancient civilization, maybe even more than we might know, but as always this prediction that is lately getting a lot of popularity could have been exagarated who knows it might only represent the begining of a new era, but without all the chaotic symbolism.

fear of the unknown, comes from the unknown

Would anyone else like to join me in making an abundance of wealth by creating fear?

Originally posted by Ex Nine
Would anyone else like to join me in making an abundance of wealth by creating fear?

Right on! Let's do it!

Send us all your money, or we'll send this guy after you! You will then go to hell where you will meet this guy !

No, no, you've got it all wrong.

I'm talking about "read my book about the year [insert arbitrary date from folklore here] and the apocalypse, and metaphorically prepare yourself for indecipherably wicked symbolic redemption!"

Why scare people into paying you when you can just have them pay you to scare them.

Originally posted by Ex Nine
No, no, you've got it all wrong.

I'm talking about \"read my book about the year [insert arbitrary date from folklore here] and the apocalypse, and metaphorically prepare yourself for indecipherably wicked symbolic redemption!\"

Why scare people into paying you when you can just have them pay you to scare them.

oh, i see. you're right; that is a much simpler way of doing it.

And more profitable!

If you didn't fear death, you wouldn't think I was negative.

Originally posted by Tsen
You waltz up and say that if you mess with the earth, you're going to get killed by it. That's taking a very obscure and irrational viewpoint. There's nothing wrong with taking a viewpoint, but you're taking it a step beyond that. You're saying that you're right, we're wrong, and BECAUSE we're wrong, we're all screwed and we'll wind up dying soon. Bit off the deep end there.

You are right that we could live as long as the dinosaurs.
We could see mechs and such, I never denighed that, you only assumed it.
When I said we would die, I did not mean you and me today, next tuesday. ROFL
I meant "we" as a race, as sentient beings.
It could be 7020 or 100002349 or 2012...
I do not know. But, what I am saying, is I believe it is a type of warning.

Also, I am appauled that you believe that death isn't on your doorstep.
You have no empathy for the starving millions around the world?
You have no remorse for the hundreds of thousands dieing in this pseudo-war?
You have no relation to any of the millions dieing from cancer and heart disease??
In many ways my friend, it is already here.
People are dieing of having too much.
.......
I digress, but the way one defines "natural disaster" is clearly up for debate.
This may be the natural disaster of fools! Terrance McKenna wrote about the "Novelty Theory" reaching its height in accordence to the ancient calender.

Perhaps we will all transcend.
Perhaps dreams and reality will become one.
Perhaps some fireworks will go off and nothing will happen.
But in the mean time, I believe it is more worth our time to discuss what COULD happen, rather then what will NEVER happen.

With that attitude one enables their imagination and spirit.

I apologize that I do not believe death is so serious, but I have seen much in my life.
Dreams do not die my friend.

Originally posted by Ex Nine
No, no, you've got it all wrong.

I'm talking about \"read my book about the year [insert arbitrary date from folklore here] and the apocalypse, and metaphorically prepare yourself for indecipherably wicked symbolic redemption!\"

Why scare people into paying you when you can just have them pay you to scare them.

That's a great idea, but why stop there? We can create some kind of product to go along with this. A line from the book might read something like this:

"You will need to own a ___. If you do not have a ___, you will not survive the apocalypse!"

Not sure what exactly we'll sell. Something cheap to manufacture/acquire so as to maximize the profits. Gravel, or something... But not just regular gravel, this is magic gravel. Magic gravel that only we can produce.

Ok, so gravel sounds pretty stupid, but you get the idea.

HAHa!
The only thing we need to survive isn't an item one could buy.
/yay capitalism

This is the silliest topic ever - some of the things said I don't know whether to laugh or cry!

I feel like 'no comment' is the best comment I can make!

Oh and that amulets are always popular for magical protection, but there is always that plant one can eat starting with P - failing that we can all eat magic mushies.

Magic gravel. That's awesome.

Maybe magic beans to go along with it? Can't hurt to play on a classic. Recently The Brothers Grimm helped romanticize them a little further.

Beans.

WARNING: In order to survive the coming Apocalypse, you ABSOLUTELY MUST have our Note: Gravel and beans will not seem magic until you have eaten our specially manufactured, limited-time offer, not available anywhere else magic mushrooms . . .

Some of you laugh at cataclysm and magic.
Magic is as real as technology.
They are the same.

The Mayans religious history comes from more acient civilizations. The primary is that of the Tau, from the now destroyed ancient continent of Mu.

The primary reason to be afraid of large natural disasters comes from the traditions kept by the natives whom escaped.

Hopi, Mayan, Incan, Tao, Egyptian, vaious tribal traditions throughout the pacific and even the Japanese laguage, alll still contain the word "Tau," even after a cultural separation of some few thousand years.

The Tau were the first to globalize the planet (most Americans don't know this as we like to think we and always first and best, yet we destroy all alien histories and rewrite them) and the first to globalize currencey. The first "$" symbol was in fact the letter "T."
(please refer to blog address below) for more info)

This civilization was obliterated. According to the ancient pacific tribal traditions these people were destroyed by a combination of natural disasters.

This is where the Mayans base the 2012 prediction off of this event. Every religion has a Noah flood story, this is America's before the whites 'civilized' it.

The way that their apocalypse occured is quite amazing. The Tau were a magical people, using their minds to do things like extract precious metals from the earth, and generate types of energy (much as we do with machines). Most do not believe in magic. Now however, anyone who knows anything about quantum physics KNOWS that not only is magic real, but that we are still capable of low level abilities. Scientists in Japan have already photographed microscopic changes to water molecules just by how we THINK. The Tau were easily capable of magic because their heads were bigger. This was a theory until last year WE FOUND THEM. Hobbits, Tarutaru, Gnomes, pick a name. They are just smaller humans with larger brains capable of magic. The Tau used this magic to build a great civilization. Then they almost got wiped off the face of the planet.

The Tau used their magic too much. They stripped the natural resources of their continent making it unstable. This is simple karma. They dug deepr and deeper and pushed harder and harder until the planet pushed back. Volcanic erruption!! (in the center of the ring of fire) Landslide! Earthquake! All at once, they all triggered eachother. This is basic geology and evironmentalism. Then, all these events caused a mega-Tsunami, that after thousands of years of separation, the Japanese still refer to as Tau.
The legend is still alive in modern language. The absolute destruction of an entire continent is possible without destroying the world or its life, although it gets very close.

Study some tribal religions! It is easy to see the story of the Tau in over a thousand native religions that most of you don't even know exist.

I am tired of this backward, backwater religioso thinking that humans are only a few thousand years old and evolved from one source. (my parents, namely, and the older generations)

FACTS:
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Civilization has been around for almost 100,000 years.
--this was proven in south central america when 90k+ Peyote cuttings were found
around broken shards of pottery. We are 1000s older then conventional thinking.

We evolved from many animorphic races into this one.
--Not just monkeys and the stupid line we all know in western science of evolution. We
came from MANY animals! It's a circle, duh! Everything is!!!!! rofl, stupid western sci.

Magic = science = religion.
--Just because people say they are different means they have no understanding of
advanced science or theology. Quatum physics - sorry, no argument here.

Ages come and go.
--Every religion, epic tale, myth and legend talks of the ages. Civilization has risen to
fall many, many, many, many times. Many races, many types of magic or technology.

Death is an illusion
--Nothing can die. The only place I can think there may be REAL decay in the universe
is a blackhole, and even then I seriously DOUBT it. The energy mermely changes.

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Most people are so into loving their own egotistical concepts of reality that they never learn anything, become drones in the system, and then eventually die in what I think of as, not the EARTH killing them, but a MASS SUICIDE.

All of the things I have said are already proven. They exist to be studyed.

SO you see, the reason I said all those things about apocalypse and scarry stuff is
BECAUSE I READ IT. I studyed it. I have done papers on them. I have been studying this for years now. Many know of it. It is older then our academic history.

It is sad to me that most will die simply from desire and greed and ego not allowing them to see the warnings all around them. God speaks plainly in the infinite world that is around each and everyone of us. Every part is a reflection of some other part, all connected, unified physics or interconnectedness, same diff. It's the total perspectice vortex of all planes of timespace being connected as one. Read the HH guide lol.

This will not last.
Even if this is too much a stretch, just learn about the 1900s!!! Remeber the dust bowl?!
People were starving to death in America and no one remembers, save our grandparents, who have become TV zombies like the rest of us. But that is a relatively recent even of cataclysm that killed many that could EASILY repeat.

Sure, we may see thousands of years from now just fine.
But it is equally probable that we will not.

To be balanced, one must except both as inevitability. Tao & Te. Tau & Tarurtaru.
I am no evangelist.
But I have seen the end in my dreams enough times to know that I will live to see the collapse of this way of life. That could mean mass genocide, it could mean messianic transcendence, it could mean we all become buddhas, it could mean all the machines stop working and we are reverted a couple 100 years back. It could mean many things.

The dreams are not real as we still have many paths we could take. They are potential.
Anyone who says they know lies. They might feel, but no one knows.

I feel it in the earth.

The way that their apocalypse occured is quite amazing. The Tau were a magical people, using their minds to do things like extract precious metals from the earth, and generate types of energy (much as we do with machines). Most do not believe in magic. Now however, anyone who knows anything about quantum physics KNOWS that not only is magic real, but that we are still capable of low level abilities. Scientists in Japan have already photographed microscopic changes to water molecules just by how we THINK. The Tau were easily capable of magic because their heads were bigger. This was a theory until last year WE FOUND THEM. Hobbits, Tarutaru, Gnomes, pick a name. They are just smaller humans with larger brains capable of magic. The Tau used this magic to build a great civilization. Then they almost got wiped off the face of the planet. [/b]

Y'know, it never ceases to amaze me how much some people think they know. Just a year or so ago I got in a similar argument with similarly outlandish ideas. It always gets worse (yet simultaneously more interesting) once the reasoning comes out. Last time the kid told me he was high when he thought it all up and swore up and down that when you're stoned or high you're in a higher state of consciousness. This isn't quite as bad, but still...

Let me explain something to you. We don't understand Quantum Physics completely yet. But we do know a bit about it. From what we know, YOU CANNOT CONTROL MATTER WITH YOUR MIND. Sorry to shatter your theory, but quantum physics doesn't even come close to saying that sort of thing. Hell, just look at the name. QUANTUM physics. QUANTUM means small, subatomic level. Yes, it does have some effects on a larger scale, but not to the level you're talking about.

Magic doesn't equal science. And science doesn't equal religion either. I hate to break it to you, but there's fundamental differences. For one, the way they were created: Science came about through trial and error, learning through observation. Science emphasizes that over time it will still grow and learn more, and likely will change. Religion is the opposite. Religion emphasizes that it is supposedly unchanging.


May I suggest that you actually read what you preach about? Y'know, it'd help your arguments if you actually knew what you were talking about.

Just making sure, Blulanou42, so I can read your posts better in the future. Can all your ideas be reduced to the following?

"[insert random word here] and [insert a different random word here] are the same."

If so, then I can save time on reading.

Originally posted by Tsen

Let me explain something to you. We don't understand Quantum Physics completely yet. But we do know a bit about it. From what we know, YOU CANNOT CONTROL MATTER WITH YOUR MIND. Sorry to shatter your theory, but quantum physics doesn't even come close to saying that sort of thing. Hell, just look at the name. QUANTUM physics. QUANTUM means small, subatomic level. Yes, it does have some effects on a larger scale, but not to the level you're talking about. [/q]

ROFL MAO u r not with it at all. Scientists in Japan proved that you can control matter with your mind by taking photos of water molecules while people were \"meditating.\"
THEY CHANGE. So there, you are completely wrong based off one experiment. And that is just one element. Just as we shape the big world we shape the small one because EVERYTHING IS CONNECTED!!!!!!

[q] Magic doesn't equal science. And science doesn't equal religion either. I hate to break it to you, but there's fundamental differences. For one, the way they were created: Science came about through trial and error, learning through observation. Science emphasizes that over time it will still grow and learn more, and likely will change. Religion is the opposite. Religion emphasizes that it is supposedly unchanging.

HOW MANY RELIGIONS DO YOU KNOW?! They are the same. Trial & error. No religion emphasizes the unchanging, on fanaticism, which you apparently know much about. You simply quote me and use my argument against me, you hypocrite.

I say what other people know, not what I know. Please get back on topic so I don't have to waste my words on your selfishness. Please study all the religions of the world that ARE NOT english. Please study the places of the world where science and religion ARE the same.

You english rhetoric is silly.
please stop.

I accepted what you said was possible as real. You have only slandered me Tsen, and I wonder about your pertinence to this conversation. Negativity is the tool of those who would manipulate others. If you think you can fool me, you should know that you are dealing with one whom plays the game of houses in his sleep & imagination without feeling desire to control others. I will pwn you for hurting others in words.
Please stop.
Please stay on subject.

Here's the old thread if you're interested. Just so you can see where that one led.

Significance of 2012

As all is.

Ex Nine - if you're too lazy or cannot read my posts, don't waste space and complain. Simply speed read it or whatever. Please do not patronize what i wirte. I do it for a reason as I myself require the practice. If you do not need the practice, do something else. ty, on topic prz..

Not patronizing. Just find it very hard to understand.

For instance....


Space and complain are the same.


Do you understand that?










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Look more space.

I recommend some research. A lot of you haven't studied this at all and are just talking out of your asses. That is fine, and it's funny, but maybe knowing something about what you speak of would make for a deeper conversation.

Monkey see, monkey do.

But if you really want to dance, I'm always ready.

Hopi, Mayan, Incan, Tao, Egyptian, vaious tribal traditions throughout the pacific and even the Japanese laguage, alll still contain the word \"Tau,\" even after a cultural separation of some few thousand years.

Meaningless. Seriously. The word \"Tau\" may be in all the languages (I'm not sure on all of them, just a few), but it doesn't mean the same thing in every one. Likely coincidence, especially considering that \"Tau\" is a one-syllable word, increasing the chances of it appearing in many languages exponentially.

The Tau were the first to globalize the planet (most Americans don't know this as we like to think we and always first and best, yet we destroy all alien histories and rewrite them) and the first to globalize currencey. The first \"$\" symbol was in fact the letter \"T.\"

You didn't leave the blog address, so I can't verify it using your source. But again, incorrect. One, no evidence of a world-spanning civilization has been found. In fact, evidence points towards the OPPOSITE. All information gathered from ancient civilizations points towards low mobility. Don't go saying that the evidence was just destroyed and rewritten, because that's just a cheap ticket out and you know it. Show us HOW and WHY the evidence was destroyed.

Still, evidence suggest incredibly low mobility until relatively recent times. In fact, one of your other statements furthers this. The \"Hobbit\" skeletons found were that of a branch of the human evolution chain that, after being isolated on a very small landmass for an extended amount of time, evolved to be smaller. This sort of evolution happens often times when a species is confined to a small space for many generations. It's happened on other islands as well, this just furthers this. A civilization with infinite mobility and technological advances, especially one with \"mind-powers\" should be capable of intercontinental travel, but the evolution of these skeletons suggests THE OPPOSITE; that the branch of the human race isolated on that island was IMMOBILE and incapable of leaving the island. Now, evolution is a pretty set-in-stone theory in this regard. It's got plenty of backing evidence. Do you have any evidence for your \"theory\" of evolution (from many animorphic beings)?

This is where the Mayans base the 2012 prediction off of this event.
YOU SHOULD ALL KNOW THAT!!! To talk about this, you should know where it came from, not where you imagine it to. Every religion has a Noah flood story, this is America's before the whites 'civilized' it.

The Mayans based their 2012 prediction off of two calendars: A religious calendar with NO basis in the physical world, and an astrological calendar based on the movement of the moon and earth. The last time the years began on the same day, they said the world began. No backing evidence there. Hell, you'd have to admit that it's VERY wrong, seeing as how it puts the world's birth at 3114 BC. That's WAY off, even according to your theory.

The way that their apocalypse occured is quite amazing. The Tau were a magical people, using their minds to do things like extract precious metals from the earth, and generate types of energy (much as we do with machines)

Not possible, even with your demented idea of quantum physics. Energy generation can't occur through merely thinking about it, no matter how advanced your mind is. Extracting metal from the ground is possible, but unlikely. And it wouldn't fall under the category of \"things you can control via thought\" either.

This was a theory until last year WE FOUND THEM. Hobbits, Tarutaru, Gnomes, pick a name.

Both right and wrong here. Yes, we had theorized about smaller humans. But we certainly hadn't theorized that they had mind powers. And you're still caught with your pants down on that one--where's your backing? I'd like evidence if you expect to convice me that people arrived at the conclusion that midgets with telekenisis were running about a few thousand years ago, and all without breaching logical laws. Also, the theory WAS proven last year. But not the mind-powers part. And it falls under my evolution statement above, which voids your statement that they were a globe-spanning civilization. Especially seeing as how as far as we can tell the \"hobbits\" were anything but advanced technology wise.

We evolved from many animorphic races into this one.
--Not just monkeys and the stupid line we all know in western science of evolution. We
came from MANY animals! It's a circle, duh! Everything is!!!!! rofl, stupid western sci.

I'd like to see some backing for this statement. Evolution's got it's backing. For the second time today, I'd like to suggest the book \"The Origin of Species\" by Charles Darwin.
Evolving from many races would imply breeding of two unlike species. That is, species that don't even vaguely resemble eachother. IE, try and get a cat and a dog to mate. It won't work. And that's mild compared to what you're suggesting. Cats and dogs are at least both mammals. You're implying something far beyond that.

Magic = science = religion.
--Just because people say they are different means they have no understanding of
advanced science or theology. Quatum physics - sorry, no argument here.

Like I said earlier, religion and science are VERY different. Magic doesn't even enter the picture.

Ages come and go.
--Every religion, epic tale, myth and legend talks of the ages. Civilization has risen to
fall many, many, many, many times. Many races, many types of magic or technology.

Not so. Leastwise, we haven't found any evidence to suggest things being that way. We've never dug up a civilization's remains that's been more advanced than we are. Sorry.

Death is an illusion
--Nothing can die. The only place I can think there may be REAL decay in the universe
is a blackhole, and even then I seriously doubt it. The energy mermely changes.

Black holes don't destroy matter. They're gravitational singularities, and you can bet that it'd kill a human if they happened to somehow get pulled into one, but it wouldn't destroy the matter the person was made of. Eventually, if all the matter is sucked into black holes, the black holes will begin to suck up eachother, and we'll reach one huge singularity, (Big Crunch) which would then re-expand into a new universe (New Big Bang). The black holes never destroy anything, they only destroy it as we know it.

All of the things I have said are already proven. They exist to be studyed.

You like making bold and unbacked statements, don't you? The things you've said are ANYTHING but proven. Hell, they're self-contradictory.

SO you see, the reason I said all those things about apocalypse and scarry stuff is
BECAUSE I READ IT. I studyed it. I have done papers on them. I have been studying this for years now.

That's nice. Thanks for assuming that everybody else on the forum are uneducated nimrods. Been there, done that. I've studied it, and I find the apocalyptical theories lacking.

It is sad to me that most will die simply from desire and greed and ego not allowing them to see the warnings all around them. God speaks plainly in the infinite world that is around each and everyone of us. Every part is a reflection of some other part, all connected, unified physics or interconnectedness, same diff. It's the total perspectice vortex of all planes of timespace being connected as one. Read the HH guide lol.

Creepy how much you sound like Nirvana Starseed there. \"One-ness\" and all that. Honestly, I've given him what-for on it, and he's never been able to back his claims. Back your claims, please. If you want to see my backup for my atheist standpoint, see the Religion forum. You'll have to join the Religious Discussion team to get into it though. Just click the \"Teams\" icon at the top of the site and find the Religious Discussion team, click join and go to the forum. Isn't hard to find my stuff there.

Even if this is too much a stretch, just learn about the 1900s!!! Remeber the dust bowl?!
People were starving to death in America and no one remembers, save our grandparents, who have become TV zombies like the rest of us. But that is a relatively recent even of cataclysm that killed many that could EASILY repeat.

Seems to me my Grandpa came through it okay. The dust bowl wasn't anything amazing. Yeah, it was nasty. It made a lot of people hungry. We probably wouldn't be fully prepared if it happened again, but we wouldn't die off by the billions, either. The Dust Bowl was a completely natural and unremarkable event. It proves nothing, other than that the US wasn't prepared for a famine at the time.

But I have seen the end in my dreams enough times to know that I will live to see the collapse of this way of life. That could mean mass genocide, it could mean messianic transcendence, it could mean we all become buddhas, it could mean all the machines stop working and we are reverted a couple 100 years back. It could mean many things.

Dreams are hardly evidence. I've had dreams that my rabbit gnawed off my leg and started ripping people's throats out. Looked like something out of a Monty Python movie. But that doesn't mean it will happen.

Happy yet?


[ EDIT ]
Also, Florence Island hobbits had SMALLER brains, not larger.
Florence Island

after my weird recurring dream about two moons and a flood/giant wave that apparently occurs sometime around 2012, I did some research...(If you haven't read my thread on that yet, please feel free to check it out)

heres a list of the flood myths in the history of countries around the world, pretty interesting if you ask me. Why would all these countries have a concurrent theme, unless there were some validity to the myths? Of course, I dont know for sure, but deductive reasoning would say that: countries waterlocked in completely different parts of the world at a time where traveling there would be near impossible, all having the same story of a flood must have obviously experienced something globaly catastrophic in order to create the same experience over such vast distances. AND with that in mind, if it happened once who's to say it wont happen again or what exactly brought it about the first time. Just a thought...

http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/titania.htm
http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/puck.htm